You have to see this email I got from Wayne Madsen re: Plamegate

[lancdem]

Mr. Madsen was one of the sources for that Michael Ruppert story that was posted here many times, the one on http://www.fromthewilderness.com talking about Plamegate indictments. I emailed him asking if the indictments really were "looming" and how Cheney and Bush were involved.

Here's what he wrote back:

Yes, the indictments are close -- Bush and Cheney are not witnesses but
possible co-conspirators -- the Reagan funeral merely delayed the indictments.
Cheney and Bush retained criminal attorneys because they have been tipped off on
the prosecutor's intentions from the secret grand jury proceedings.

w.m.

God, I hope he's right.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. That explains the INTERMINABLE Ron-a-thon.....

:)

[Veggie Meathead]

6. I wonder if this also explains their cozying up to Bill and Hillary.

Probably want to avoid jail terms with the Dems'help.

[lancdem]

18. That's exactly what I thought

[skypilot]

2. Too bad for them...

...that Reagan can't die more than once.

[havocmom]

3. If someone tips off someone else about Grand Jury proceedings

isn't that a violation of law?

[nycmjkfan]

4. umm.

Only if a Democrat does it.

[lil-petunia]

10. tipping off can happen without a crime

for ex, if the prosecution has reams of paper with your name on it, and starts in on you about , when, where, how, why, and with who, well, even the shrub can figger out that they are coming after him. No mattter what the voices in his head tell him.

In fact, you can't help but be tipped off by what goes on inside the GJ. The next step, usually too late, is to hire counsel. but the horse is out of the barn by then. What you should do is hire the atty BEFORE the GJ session.

[Eurobabe]

41. maybe that's why Shrub was whiggin out today?

that press conference today with Karzai sounds like a doozey, something is coming down the proverbial pike.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. Madsen's pretty credible....I'd take this with more than a grain of salt

[frank frankly]

9. i agree

and it FEELS like it is coming, too.

From Today's President FUBAR press conference:

Q On another issue, have you been called to answer questions re= garding the CIA leak? And have you retained the attorney --

PRESIDENT BUSH: You need to call -- you need to call -- you need = to talk to the counsel over there.

[BlueEyedSon]

7. "George W. Bush knew about.... the release of a CIA operative's name..."

Is this source reputable?

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4629.shtml

Bush Knew About Leak of CIA Operative's Name
By Staff and Wire Reports
Jun 3, 2004, 05:28

Witnesses told a federal grand jury President George W. Bush knew about, and took no action to stop, the release of a covert CIA operative's name to a journalist in an attempt to discredit her husband, a critic of administration policy in Iraq.

Their damning testimony has prompted Bush to contact an outside lawyer for legal advice because evidence increasingly points to his involvement in the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame's name to syndicated columnist Robert Novak.

The move suggests the president anticipates being questioned by prosecutors. Sources say grand jury witnesses have implicated the President and his top advisor, Karl Rove.

[seemslikeadream]

12. I think it's a good source

It was good enough for LBN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=602189&mesg_id=602189

[MallRat]

8. Will they be "unindicted" co-conspirators?

Even if there's no legal ramifications for Bush and Cheney, it's hard to lose that label once you've been tagged with it.

"Hmmmm... I can vote for Kerry, or I can vote for UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR."

Those words will be in all-caps in the minds of MILLIONS of voters.

-MR

[Walt Starr]

14. Constitutionally, they cannot be indicted in a criminal proceeding

YET!

If they lose in November, they can on January 21, 2005. If not, they cna only be impeached and you know where that will go with the Rubber stamps on capitol hill.

[lancdem]

22. That's why it'll probably be Rove, Libby and others

who are actually indicted.

[Walt Starr]

25. Hopefully Bush and Cheney will ne named as

unindicted co-conspirators.

Unfortunately, that opens the door to the Repugnant Party to nominate Rudy in September.

[lovedems]

27. Maybe we will get lucky and take control of the congress.

:shrug:

That would sure change things for the chimp.

[Ganja Ninja]

15. If they are indicted they will be lucky to finish out their term and ...

forget about any election for them.

[NewJeffCT]

19. that is tough, and

If Bush decides to "Take the 5th", it will give all those Law & Order Republicans a heart attack. Isn't it usually the mantra of Hannity, Limpballs, etc that only those with something to hide take the 5th?

[Walt Starr]

20. Get real! They'll say he HAS to take the fifth

for "National Security reasons".

The sheeple cannot let go of their Jeebus made flesh.

[bluestateguy]

11. There won't be any indictments of high level people before the election

The Justice Department has a long standing policy of not handing down indictments of high profile political figures leading up to an election. It's June now, and I suspect that if there were to be an indictment, it would have to be no later than 2 weeks from today. Otherwise the Republican Noise Machine will have fodder to call the indictments "politicized". By delaying the investigation for as long as they did, the Bush team was able to delay the conclusion of the investigation until after the election.

[lancdem]

17. Interesting

The one flaw in this is that Fitzgerald was appointed by the Bush administration, so he's hardly anti-Repuke. But there's no doubt they've been stonewalling something awful. Maybe something will happen in the next two weeks.

[lil-petunia]

43. but Fitzie

has been going after both sides of the criminal political combine in Chicago (see Chicago Tribune's John Kass for details) ((subscription))

he has been totally honest and apolitical about rooting out corruption regardless of political party, - and boy do we need it in Chitown, too.

He will NOT be swayed by an election. too much the dedicated professional. Hey, there are some of those.

[buycitgo]

24. you making a distinction there between prosecutors and independent

counsel?

cause Walsh's last minute indictment of the BushPardon 6 is what put the final nail in poppy's coffin

I clearly remember GHWB climbing to within a point of Clinton, and then ........WHAM! the indictments came down, to the frenzied cries of partisan foul play on the part of the republican Walsh

so, it's not out of the question for indictments to be handed down

too bad the wussy WH press corps doesn't INSIST on answers to questions regarding the Plame fiasco, though

they should, one after the other, ask him that question until he ANSWERS it

course, they won't, much less questions dealing with the Ashcroft contempt memo

[bluestateguy]

34. I see your point

But Walsh should have handed down the indictments before Labor Day or after the election. Since then, there is an unwritten rule against such a practice. Even the effeminate Ken Starr didn't go there. Don't get me worng, it was just as sleazy for Bush to pardon all those people, but his claim that the indictments were politicized because of their timing was credible to many people. I don't want the Republicans to have that weapon of argument this time around.

[lancdem]

35. I agree with your last sentence

I would much prefer the indictments come down now rather than too close to the election.

[Lex]

40. The sooner the better.

I really didn't think I'd live to see the day that the Repuke crooks in the White House would have to answer for ANY of their crimes, or even be tainted in the least by them.

I'm still not sure it will *really* happen, but I sure hope so!

[Cat Atomic]

13. It must really wreak havoc on Bush's ego to have to retain a lawyer.

Imagine... the Emperor has to mount a legal defense? But- but- law is only for the peasants!

[radwriter0555]

23. It would explain his near hysteria earlier today; the fear, apprehension

is getting to him.

[lancdem]

28. What near hysteria?

Details, please!

[noiretextatique]

36. meltdown at a press conference

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1793190

[lancdem]

37. Thanks!

[noiretextatique]

38. welcome eom

[asjr]

16. Shrub can plead insanity, but what about the

others? Being just plain Mean won't do it. I wish this could be handled before the election.

[shraby]

21. The Justice Department has

a policy to not hand out indictments? Is that policy or law? If it's policy, they can still do it. If law, they can't.

[shraby]

26. To Walt Star

where in the constitution does it say they can't hand out indictments? Can you point me to it?

[Walt Starr]

30. Article II, Section 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

In order to charge him with a crime, articles of impeachment must be approved in the House and upheld in the Senate. Afterwards, he may be indicted criminally.

A sitting president cannot be indicted for a crime by any other than the House.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. An indictment would be music to my ears

and yes this will make us enter very strange territory.

Oh and did I mention get into your golashes and rain coat, it is
gonna fly far and wide.

[shraby]

33. Thank you Walt Starr

sorry I missed the extra "r" the first time.

[HootieMcBoob]

31. I've been waiting nearly a year for this...

I guess I can wait a few more weeks.

[Walt Starr]

32. what would be perfect is seeing Rove and Libby doing the frog march

the day Kerry accepts the nomination.

[noonwitch]

39. I think that Cheney might be indicted

His name keeps coming out and Joe Wilson has pretty much stated that the leak came from his office.

Shrub will probably skate on this one.

[Lex]

42. Remember how Shrub was admittedly too stoopid to be prez

so he was going to surround himself with top-quality advisors and the like?

Back in the day, that's what the republicans who had enough of a clue to know how ignorant Bush is would use as an argument for voting for him.

Dumbasses.

[lil-petunia]

44. "I am an optomistic person"

I am an optomistic. I see the positive. If you try you can find the negative, you can, if you look hard enough for it. We have had a war, a terra attack, etc.etc.etc"

GB Shrub on air today.