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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:54 PM
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What's Disturbing about Theresa Heinz Kerry
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 09:47 PM by Must_B_Free
is that she was a republican until 2 years ago...

Yeah - that's who I want for first lady. :puke:

On thing I wonder - did she vote for Bush in 2000?
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:55 PM
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1. ...and apparently Laura Bush was a Democrat
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 08:55 PM by PCIntern
So...
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:58 PM
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9. And so was Ronald Reagan.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:38 PM
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44. Teresa Kerry has respect and clarity of thinking.. her greatest asset is
"goodness"; forget her money.
As we have seen (with Bushjr.),
all the money in the world cannot make
a silk purse out of sow's ear.

We are very fortunate to have a person
such as herself, to whisper in the next
president's ear..

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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:06 PM
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56. Clarity of thinking?
How clear was her thinking when she was supporting George Bush, Dick Cheney, Tom Delay and Trent Lott?

I am 34 years old and Idecided I could NEVER support a republican since my president insulted my intelligence by trying to tell me that katsup is a vegetable and Russia was an "evil empire".

So how could she EVER support the republican politics of this administration?

It makes me worried that Dean was the real populist and he was torpedoed by a corporate media fabricated stunt so that we wouldn't really have a choice.

At least Kerry has made good choices thus far. It just makes me wonder how these guys like Kerry and Carville can work for the Dems but be married to GOPpers.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:56 PM
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75. I didn't know her then...I can only speak to what I know now...
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 10:57 PM by Tellurian
She made herself perfectly clear tonight in a cbs interview. She said, she left the republican party after witnessing the vile destruction of former Senator Max Cleland. She was disgusted by their ruthlessness, destroying him at all costs, to win his seat.

Sen. Cleland was awarded the Bronze and Silver Stars for his valor and courage in Vietnam after losing his lower limbs and an arm in a grenade explosion. (How they could stoop so low to malign a war veteran who gave so much to his country speaks volumes of the minds behind the campaign.)

The GOP attack team relentlessly called Sen Cleland unpatriotic to win his seat, just as they have done using the same disgusting tactics on her husband. This coming with full approval from those who have never served their country. She didn't name names. I knew she meant Bush, Rove and Cheney and now that you mention 2 more, DeLay and Lott, they also fit the 'did not serve their country' profile.

"It just makes me wonder how these guys like Kerry and Carville can work for the Dems but be married to GOPpers."

Most of my family are republican and we get along fine. My father would vote as he saw fit and my mother always voted straight Rep. If they disagreed on their way to vote, they would just cancel each other's vote out in the voting booth. Then go home, pour themselves a glass of cognac, and wait for the results.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:04 PM
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79. Well, my inlaws are loyal GOP
Last time my mother in law was here, my wife asked her how she can support Bush. She said, among other things:

"It's NOT about oil"

and

"There were no innocent children killed in Iraq, they were all suicide bombers"

so, no, I don't take it lightly. It's not just ha ha, he he we're different. This is about a party line to demonize anyone who didn;t follow it. "Either you're with us or against us".

I'll never forget.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:19 PM
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86. There are two kinds of republicans..
If your talking about the rabid, saving face,

moral high ground kind..like Bush-

You have my sympathies..

Mine are more moderate, like Chafee, and open for discussion..

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Beloved Citizen Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:13 PM
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61. Just another thing to whine about.
I guess John Kerry isn't respectful enough of their needs.

After all, this election really is about the emotional vulnerability of our narcissistic friends.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:14 PM
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98. What a great line that is!
"After all, this election really is about the emotional vulnerability of our narcissistic friends."

In an election year, I take what witticisms I can get. Thanks for that one.
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Beloved Citizen Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 06:35 PM
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118. My wife is a shrink
I've learned to speak the lingo.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:06 PM
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80. I agree. I think she is a very compassionate lady...the *real* deal!
:dem: :kick:
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:55 PM
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2. Let it go. SHE IS A WONDERFUL WOMAN WHO HAPPENS TO
BE VERY RICH. If all repugs were like her, I would not mind being a repug.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:55 PM
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3. Just listen to one of her speeches
She is wonderful. I respect her and can't wait for her to be first lady.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:56 PM
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4. Yeah, well the *other* choice hasn't wised up YET
And she sees the ugliness of it first-hand every day!
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:57 PM
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5. not all republican are right wing nutcases
by all accounts her 1st hubby (the late Sen Heinz) was a good man and a moderate republican
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MontecitoDem Donating Member (542 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:57 PM
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6. so what?
she's not going to be president, he is.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:57 PM
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8. So what? Reagan was a Democrat until the Mob got to him...
... and made him turn on his SAG Union in regards to the MCA exemption.

In his case, a guy got dumb.

In THK's case, a gal got smart.
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:59 PM
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So was Arianna Huffington - - - so what of it?
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:59 PM
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10. Have you read ANYTHING about Mrs. Kerry? She gives away more in a DAY
to liberal and charitable causes than most people make in a LIFETIME.

She is literate, compassionate, kind, benevolent, VERY well educated, productive and ambitious, and there is nothing WRONG with have some conservative ideals. It's OK to be a republican if you don't act like a criminal.

Shame on YOU. You fell for the BULLSHIT.
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AndyP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:59 PM
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11. who cares??
She's not running for president, her husband is.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:59 PM
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12. Jezus H. Christ
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 09:02 PM by OKNancy
I thought I'd read everything here on DU....."You beat everything, Barney, you know that?"
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:59 PM
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13. Nobody cares.
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testing123 Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:00 PM
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It bothers me a bit but...
We have to remove Bush and I don't care what Kerry's wife was several years ago.

Bush has to go!
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:00 PM
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14. Didn't Hillary Clinton work for Goldwater at one time?
'Bout as Republican as you can get. Though at least Goldwater was a decent Repub.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:09 PM
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25. yes she did
when she was in high school- yup the hilabeast was once a repthug....
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:14 PM
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97. Hillary Clinton was a republican for many years even during her watergate
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 12:15 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
preceedings...as a republican staff lawyer she drew up the articles of impeachment against Nixon and also testified against Nixon before congress....that is why the RWingnuts hate her so much!
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Sportndog Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:01 PM
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15. saw her on B. Walters
and really liked her. She was on top of the issues. Earthy and intelligent. And you can tell she loves Kerry. That's enough for me. Republicults always love stepford type wives. Watch Laura's right eye.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:02 PM
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16. Do people really care who the first lady is?
I mean seriously, who gives a damn? Is she going to make policy decisions or sit in on National Security councils? I doubt it. Why does this even matter?
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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:07 PM
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19. She's no Gert...
She's the daughter of the heirs of brutal Portuguese African Colonialism, who made much of their fortune off 300 years of African degradation.

She might as well be Afrikaner.

I'm voting Kerry anyway
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:39 PM
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45. Yeah, that's why she marched against Apartheid in SA
Sheesh. Her dad wasn't an administrator, he was a doctor, who did numerous missions in the bush and deep in the interior. She had extensive exposure to African culture and tribal societies from a young age, and when she went to college in South Africa (which did have excellent universities) she marched against Apartheid.

Sounds like a nazi-Afrikaner to me.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:35 PM
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40. honestly, I was a little concerned about Tipper
we have enough repubs trying to censor movies and music without her helping them. I like my entertainment with a side of violence and vile language so piss off Tipper.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:03 PM
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17. O-o-o-o! That's scary!
Oops, sorry - wrong election.
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:07 PM
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18. "What's Disturbing about Theresa Heinz Kerry"
nothing, unless one wants to sow seeds of discord and dissension among readers of democratic underground.

Vote for the Mauve Party if you want to see *'s face for the next four years. Sure, create questions and dissension. I feel this thread is incredibly, either not thought out, or well thought out.

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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:09 PM
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23. What's wrong with dissent?
Read post above.......
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:11 PM
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27. Dissent, when it is thoughtful and likely to cause the result it wants
if possible, is a good thing.

Dissent, for dissent sake, is ignorant.

(dissent - what a strange looking word!)
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:14 PM
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29. Snoggera didn't say dissent
Said discord and dissension.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:33 PM
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106. dissent is cool
but dissent when it is rush limbaugh flavored and used to malign is just plain silly
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:08 PM
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20. There was A New Republic article many years
ago which showed that Reagan was actually an FBI informer working for the SAG. Wouldn't be a surprise...

My point to the subject raised here is that Teresa is a solid human being and will and always has stood by moral principles. She wouldn't endorse Snarlin'-Arlen Specter after her husband died. Good enough for me.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:08 PM
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21. Why is she any different than Arianna Huffington?
Sometimes people see the light. I think it will be nice to have some elegance and intellectualism in the WH for a change, something that we haven't had since Jackie Kennedy, a role Nancy Reagan tried to fill but just couldn't.
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Solidarity Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:30 PM
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37. Serve Them Hamburger Helper!
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 09:31 PM by Solidarity
I have no opinion on her. However, "elegance" in the White House is important to you?

Perhaps we do need new a better china and more expensive and elegant formal dinners for the rich. They certainly deserve and expect such "classy" treatment at the Presidential mansion.

I don't think most working people give a diddly squat about arranging more elegant and plush affairs at the White House. Let them eat hamburger helper like the rest of us folks!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:03 PM
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54. Well we do have Laura, Mrs. Dowdy First Lady. I don't think
she even would try a state dinner with Hamburger Helper. She just doesn't try. Elegance in the WH is not important to me, however, if we have someone who can do it, why not?

Do we always have to have our representatives, you know the people who give a face to us, drag their knuckles all the time? I know I have evolved. I hope the people who represent me have too.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:08 PM
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22. a repug, prochoice and charitable
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 09:17 PM by seabeyond
she sounds horrible. lets see other repug thing about her that are just too bad. hm, she speaks spiritually not religiously, ergo open minded, she helps the poor, i am sure for womans, blacks adn other minority rights, enviromentalist

anyone??????????
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:09 PM
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24. the GOP treatment of max cleland is what turned her to our side...n/t
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:10 PM
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26. She said that, but I don't buy it
She was trying to slam the Republicans for Max Cleland.

She and John Kerry met at an Earth Day Rally in 1990. Kerry has been running for president since 2001, unofficially, and was running for VP in 2000. Teresa had made her mind up before then. She's just trying to appeal to the swing voters, to give them an example to follow.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:11 PM
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28. One reason I am voting for Kerry
Is to get THERESA as First Lady. I love her ! I intrerveiwed her once and she is real, feisty and can really face down any critics. She has done more for liberal causes like women's rights and conservation than most lifelong dems.Elect Theresa's husband!
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:19 PM
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32. hiya saracat
LTNS, but hopefully I will make the Dist Mtg this month

:hi:
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Delano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:17 PM
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30. Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl"
Teresa's not going to be prez, big deal.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:18 PM
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31. Now she gets it from the Left ?
I’ve seen this shit used by the PUKERS on our home board, It’s called.
FUCKING DESPERATION, Just as with Clinton when these bastards went after his then young daughter, This is BULL SHIT.

Kerry is is own man, He’s not the man I originally backed but that’s history, And no matter who the guy’s wife is it’s still better than what we have now, A clan of fucking corporate nazis.

Give her a break, She may surprise us all.:dem:
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:20 PM
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33. I LONG for the day Teresa Heinz Kerry graces my White House
I only wish John had more of her passion and outspokenness.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:21 PM
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Yeah and he's picking that damn McCain for veep(Sarcastic BS)
Hey, he's gonna be President and if it bugs you SO BAD- well too bad.

Some of us are happy. Beside our selves with joy. Dreaming the nightmare at least HAS A CHANCE of being over.

I like her bunches.



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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:21 PM
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34. Sounds like a conversion of convience.
If it were much longer ago I wouldnt suspect that. But 2 years ago was about the time that Kerry starting running wasnt it?

She can go with whatever party pleases her, but I suspect her motives with such a conviently timed conversion.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:29 PM
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36. read 22, how much of a repug does she sound
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 09:29 PM by seabeyond
this isnt a hard one. and like someone above said, she isnt pres. supposedly laura bush is a democrat, is that having any impact on bushie boy
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:06 PM
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57. Curb your cynicism!
I wish somebody around here would explain why some people are snipping & sniping at the wrong targets?? You're so suspicious of her motives, like she's STILL a rethug or something. I see no reason to doubt her sincerity; the incident probably converted a few decent people into being democrats. Sorry, but that really sounds petty.

Besides, aren't we missing the real target here????
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:35 PM
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116. I also find it more than coincidental that
when her husband was a Republican senator, then she was a Republican.

Now that her husband is a Democratic senator, she is a Democrat.

I would assume that as a good political wife, she's going to be what her husband is.

On the other hand, who cares, She's not running for nuthin.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:23 PM
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35. i hope everyone sees your sig line
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:31 PM
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38. Still, why would
anyone post this except to start a flame war?
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Ruffhowse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:31 PM
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39. She's OK by me.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:35 PM
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41. What's disturbing about Monica Lewinsky
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 09:37 PM by Hippo_Tron
Is that I heard somewhere that she was a closet Republican. Come on Bill, have higher standards.

:eyes:

BTW She was married to Senator Heinz who was a Republican but as I am told, was pretty good as far as Republicans go.
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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:37 PM
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43. Wait, don't tell me, The Beret?
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:36 PM
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117. Higher standards than Monica?
Come on now.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:36 PM
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42. I'll bet she lets Cheney sneak in the back door
and lets him into the oval office, where he helps perpetuate the corporate looting of America.
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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:39 PM
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46. Heeeey I'm 48109, we must nearly be neighbors!
I thought this message had a hopeful sexual innuendo ending in a massive heart attack, I am sorry I misunderstood.
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:42 PM
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47. Flame bait
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 09:42 PM by sangha
.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:17 PM
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62. Flame bait? You bet it was
And we went for it too, didn't we?
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:42 PM
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48. I was Republican until ONE year ago.
And you know what else? I supported John McCain's 2000 campaign!



wash your mouth out after you puke. :evilgrin:
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:45 PM
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49. Western PA is home to many moderate and decent Republicans
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 09:54 PM by Divernan
Try judging people by their deeds, and not political labels. One of the worst things Bush and his gang of corporate welfare thugs
have done is tarnish all Republicans with their bloodthirsty greed. Many people belong to a political party because their parents happened to belong to it, and/or because of the particular town or area in which their family lived. Why don't you try welcoming those who change party affiliation, instead of posting your little puking icon?
On edit: Thanks for removiing your puking icon. If you knew ANY of her history of criticisms of Specter and Santorum, no way would you think there was any chance she voted for Bush.
Finally,as I have repeatedly commented whenever Mrs. Kerry's name comes up on these threads - she will be a first lady in the grand tradition of Eleanor Roosevelt.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:45 PM
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50. pffft!
She's the best thing I've seen about his campaign so far.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:49 PM
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51. Why do we assume that
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 10:23 PM by senseandsensibility
her story about Max Cleland is untrue? I'm sure that's what the freepers say, but besides that, is there any reason to doubt her honesty? Sorry, but I'll take Teresa's word over the freepers. What her old party did to Max was vile. It WAS enough to make anyone switch parties.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:55 PM
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124. I totally believe her story
what compassionate person wasn't outraged at what they did to Max Cleland? I like her and am looking forward to having her live in our house.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:52 PM
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52. I'm not voting for her
so I can't really see how that matters...what party she used to belong to..

the important thing is...she's a democrat now.

Change does happen. People do switch parties...

hmmm..no...it really does just come down to whose name is on my ballot...and it won't be hers.






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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:00 PM
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53. Headline SELECTED for DU Dissention
Am starting a "headline-SELECTED-for-DU-dissention" tickler file.

1. What's Disturbing about Theresa Heinz Kerry - 6-15-04
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scrotim Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:24 PM
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104. I'm curious. How will your file be "utilized"? n/t
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:05 PM
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55. DID YOU ALL NOTICE THE ORIGINAL POSTER NEVER ANSWERED
anyone on the thread?

I am sure it will all be clear on election night.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:11 PM
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59. Must.... punish.... for deviation from groupthink
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 10:11 PM by Must_B_Free
never mind that it was an accurate and honest observation.

All who deviate from the proscribed thoughts here must... be... punished!:spank:

Besides, Chapelle show was on for 1 hour. Does that redeem me from your conspiracy theory
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:45 PM
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70. Conform!
Conform!Conform!Conform!Conform!Conform!Conform!Conform!Conform!
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:50 PM
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71. Right!!! DON'T Unite towards a Common Goal with Like Minded People
That's the ticket to success.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:58 PM
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77. Define "like minded people"





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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:09 PM
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81. A General Group That Shares Some Aims
Starting with the old Will ROGERS saying, "I don't belong to an organized party-------I'm a Democrat."

So we have this party that is composed of a lot of sub-groups. What makes each sub-group different from the others is that its identity comes from its number one priority. All the multiple sub-groups probably have different #1, #2, #3 or more priorities, but they UNITE in being able to share the broader and broader priorities after their own-------like we can all agree on Civil Rights, social justice, and so on--------

Just as "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds," so is an overweening refusal to WORK WITH ANYBODY for the supposed sake of INDEPENDENT THINKING. Guess what, just about everything we can think up for ourselves was probably already thought by somebody before us.

So what is the devil's-advocate point of fueling negativity for the general goal of getting our current candidate to beat the crap out of Shrub?
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:13 PM
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84. I found it simply shocking
I had never heard that before, that she was a republican until 2 years ago...

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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:10 PM
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96. And their common goal is?
Getting Bush out of the White House right?

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:21 PM
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102. Their Common Goal-SSSSS Are ALWAYS Furthered
by Democratic office holders, long before Shrub was born and long after he's gone. We ARE talking about "Democratic" like-minded people, aren't we?
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 06:55 PM
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119. Right
What are the "Democratic shared goals"?
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #102
120. Who's common goals?
The people's or the ruler's?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:32 PM
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121. I Wish You Would "Debate" with
our enemies.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:54 PM
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123. As Pogo once said...
"I have met the enemy, it is us". And as JK was recently quoted..."there is no opposition party".

That is our problem.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:07 PM
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58. She must have been a Chaffee-style republican.
There used to be more of them not just in w. PA, but all over the northeast and upper midwest. They were decent, reasonable people who were relatively liberal socially, good on the environment and conservatively prudent with the budget. Now people like that either stay out of politics or become members of the DLC, and we end up with a house full of DeLay crazies.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:13 PM
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60. Or Jumpin' Jim Jefford
Except that Theresa was still a republican even AFTER Jeffords jumped...
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:21 PM
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63. Neckerchiefs really creep me out.
Except on Freddy from Scooby Doo.

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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:22 PM
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64. What about Felix Unger?
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:29 PM
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65. The neckerchief was the least of his problems.
God, they just don't write shows like The Odd Couple any more.

And, lest I be accused of being TOO old to understand contemporary humor, I'm under 35.

I get repeatedly flamed and taken to task (perhaps rightfully so) around here for my adherence to Southpark humor principles (take no prisoners when it comes to sparing sensibilities).

Now that I think of it, Big Gay Al wears a neckerchief. Hmmmmmm, maybe I really ought to rethink my affinity for Freddy. :-)

Wait a minute, was Liberace gay?
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:40 PM
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68. It's not a 'neckerchief', it's a Cravat <nt>
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:44 PM
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69. Damnit. And I so wanted to dislike her. Ahh, Cravat, that sounds French.
My a priori assumptions still stand.

Freddy wore a neckerchief, yes? Please tell me Freddy wasn't sporting the Cravat.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:58 PM
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76. At least it's not a Croissant
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 10:58 PM by Must_B_Free
I wouldn't want her wearing that around her neck.
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:14 PM
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85. How about a Krispy Kreme?
A croissant doesn't even make any sense.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:32 PM
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66. So, vote for bush*. What's your point? I'm not voting for Theresa.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:39 PM
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67. Theresa will do more for her country than sorry ass Laura Bush has!
Pickles has set women's liberation back by 40 years. Talk about a "women's place in is the kitchen". Married to a man who tells her what she can do and not do to her body.

Laura Bush is a disgrace to women.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:50 PM
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72. I love Teresa
She's a compassionate, intelligent, classy woman. And remember that she was married to John Heinz (R-PA) hence the Republican voter registration. How many Republicans did as much philanthropic work as Teresa?

How can you hate this woman?
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:55 PM
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73. Good looking, charitable
I still would have preferred to find out she was a long time democrat, not a long time republican. It's hard for me to respect someone who supported the election of George Bush instead of Al Gore, and supported Bush after he took office.

Perhaps she did vote for Gore and just forgot to change her party registration a long time ago.
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:03 PM
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78. As was pointed out in an earlier post, she was married to John Heinz
(R) governor of PA, had 3 (?) children and was of course republican. He was killed in a plane crash.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:11 PM
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83. So what?
James Carville is married to Cheney's advisor, Republican Mary Matalin, and he's a Democrat.

Am I supposed to give her a pass for being married to a republican during the 70s?

The fact is, she was a member of the party of Bush and that makes me uncomfortable. Why does everyone have a problem with that?
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:21 PM
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87. If you are uncomfortable with it, then it's your problem.
And that's OK. Good night nemo.
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:55 PM
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74. Me too.
She has been a great philanthropist for the Pittsburgh area/
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:10 PM
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82. She made a change for the better.
Don't forget, Hillary was a republican....until she met the big dog.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:22 PM
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88. Thanks for being as devisive as possible.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:43 PM
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90. Don't blame me
I'm not the one who was a Republican until two years ago.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:36 PM
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127. Now you want to even blame your comments on her, too??? Yikes.
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:24 PM
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89. Well, you won't have to won't for her?
Will ya?
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:47 PM
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91. LOL! Another Must_B_Free classic! Probably wants Pickles to be 1st lady.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:13 AM
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92. Ahhh, finally.... My Fan club has arrived!
By the way - Pickles IS the first lady, sorry to break it to you.

But no - I prefer my Democrats to BE Democrats, but heck - as long as she ACTS like one, I'm fine with the cheeky, sexy Mrs. K.

Do you think she changed her party affiliation BEFORE or AFTER Kerry thought about running?
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:16 AM
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93. As others have said, she was married to John Heinz
During his career, he did more for poor people in this country than most DEMs today even *think* of doing.

He was very consistent in his support for safety net issues, and was a leader many times in legislation to benefit the poor. If only Democrats would follow his example!

If Theresa has even *half* of her late husband's commitment to poor people, this country will benefit greatly.

Kanary
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:20 AM
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94. Too bad, so sad.
I wonder how John Kerry can be a practicing Catholic
since he was married before?

No matter.

So John Kerry is so weak-minded that he will do what Teresa
says and be a Republican while he's in the WH?

Oh what silliness.

:silly:
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:39 AM
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95. So what???
Lots of us made the stupid mistake of being on the wrong side until we wised up, no one is born knowing everything. :shrug:
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:16 PM
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99. When did we start voting for First Lady?
Sorry, but I don't get your point. What do Ms. Heinz's politics have to do with the Kerry campaign? No, I'm not being disingenuous. She's not allowed to have an opinion and/or vote her own interest (which, to be fair, is corporate, after all)?

Come on. Knowing what I know about her, I'd be surprised if she didn't vote Republican.

And that has NOTHING to do with Kerry, whose responsibility it is to act in the best interest of the nation.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:17 PM
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100. It's disturbing that's she's 65. She must have been really nice looking
when she was younger. I wonder if she's only had botox(and hair coloring probably).
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put out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:04 PM
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109. Clarify, please. Are you trying to make a point?
Or are you trying to be ironic? If you are being serious...hoo boy.
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:39 PM
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128. And what is wrong with being 65? What's right about it is that by
then most women have acquired enough knowledge and experience that preoccupation with Botox and hair color are not issues of significance. In fact hair coloring is used by women and girls of all ages, and Botox by women in their 30's and 40's.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:18 PM
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101. THIS THREAD STILL GOING??? amazing. Hide you now thread!!!!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:23 PM
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103. flame thread, divisive
no way, look how so many were able to come up with such wonderful and enthusiasm in this woman. what an opportunity i say. not divisive, made me just happy to see this woman come along
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:32 PM
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105. yeah and bobby kennedy worked for sen. mccarthy . . .
big fucking deal
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:33 PM
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107. Not disturbing at all
People have the right to change their minds.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 12:56 PM
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108. SO WHAT?! She is not running for president!!!!
The president's wife ("First Lady" is not an official title and I try not to use it) has little to no influence on policy. Who the fuck cares what Teresa Heinz Kerry's political affiliation is? We elect a president, not two married co-presidents.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:07 PM
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110. I honestly and truly DO NOT CARE
The choice is between Kerry and Bush.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:08 PM
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111. I often wonder what could be the motivation for threads
like these. WELL?
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dryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:17 PM
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112. She will make a great First Lady!
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:21 PM
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113. I know that - she's brilliant - classy - empathetic
who cares what she WAS - she's one of us now. BTW, not ALL pugs are BAD.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:22 PM
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114. Yikes! Don't we have enuf to worry about w/o
taking issue with the Prez's wife's past political affiliations?
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:24 PM
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115. Mary Matalin is a Republican working for Bush
Does that make James Carville less effective?

This is a bogus slam against Kerry through his wife. Dumb.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:36 PM
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122. but Tucker Carlson doesn't care for her cookies!
:eyes:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:58 PM
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125. Come On, Must_B_Free!
Teresa will be a great first lady.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:19 PM
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126. I want to see A LOT more former republicans who are now Democrats
What in the hell is wrong with that?
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