These are not the times for milquetoast Democrats......sorry.

[kentuck]

We are in serious straits. We do not need someone to take over the steering wheel from George W Bush. We need someone that will throw his ass overboard and turn this damn boat around. We do not need someone to continue the status quo. Sorry, all this talk about Sam Nunn for VP, etc just gets my blood boiling. He's nothing but a friggin' Republican. we don't need Republicans or Republican policies at this time. We need someone with enough courage to make dramatic changes in the direction our country is going. I hope and pray John Kerry can do that.

[Political_Junkie]

1. I'm with ya on that one, Kentuck!

We need the Democrats to have some balls right now. It didn't work for Gore to have a pseudo-democrat as a running mate and it's not gonna work for Kerry.

[KissMyAsscroft]

2. Damn Skippy!

I share your frustration with all of this Repuke VP BULLSHIT. Drop it.

It's time to be like Dean, stand up and make our demands. Now is not the time for appeasement with these people that are taking our country into a ditch.

[Cheswick2.0]

9. you know we should all be blogging on the Kerry site

and letting them know how we feel about his choice of VP. Let him know we are not interested in voting for the republican wing of the democratic party.

[AntiCoup2K4]

3. Amen.

FUCK the DLC and anyone taking the side of the neocon shitbag traitors.

You think FDR could have won WWII by wearing a swastika armband and trimming his mustache. The DLC would have had him do exactly that, had the traitorous fucks been around in 1944.

[Cheswick2.0]

11. LOL, love it

And let us remind everyone that the repugs did not take back power by pretending to be democrats.

[mopaul]

4. we must fight harder than we've ever fought, we are in peril

and that is not an exaggeration. great peril

[wryter2000]

5. The joke was cute for a while

Especially because it had to give Rove the hives to think of Kerry/McCain. But enough already!

[MikeG]

6. YEAH! YEAH! GO KENTUCK!

This jagoff Nunn used to give Clinton problems. He's no f'ing good.

[SenatorBulworth]

14. i agree but

will we be eating our words if they come up with a bush/mccain ticket?

[kentuck]

15. Bush would never have anyone close to him he did not trust....

And he doesn't trust McCain and the feeling is mutual. McCain only looks moderate next to these radcons...He's still a right-winger.

[mopaul]

18. mc cain is insane

i'm convinced of it. they'll never consider him for VP

[Mike Niendorff]

16. I notice several low-post accounts being used to inject this idea today.

hmmm.


MDN

[kentuck]

7. It's time for the Democratic Party to show some balls....!

The times and circumstances demand it. The radical conservatives and George W Bush have set our country back by 50 years. The present tax rates are at the 1950's level - especially for corporations. The favoritism towards these huge companies and multinationals has gone toward the absurd in the last few years. We need a candidate and a Party that will change the direction and change it dramatically.

It is not acceptable to take the wheel from these radicals and turn it a couple of degrees and continue on course. The middle class and the working people of this country have had enough. It's their time to get a break. We need to present a plan that will ease the weight of their healhcare costs and their childcare costs. And that should only be for starters. We need a wholesale change in Washington and we need a Party for the people. The time is now!

[Cheswick2.0]

8. I hope he can too

But he is going to have to throw off the DLC wing of the party to do so. Choosing a progressive candidate will be the first sign to me that he has the guts to do it.

[Khephra]

10. Nunn is worse than Lieberman as VP

The same point is borne out by a comparison of Kerry's ratings with those of other Democrats who are often classified as moderates, such as Sen. John Breaux of Louisiana. Breaux's lifetime average ADA score through 2002 is 55. When Lloyd Bentsen of Texas was a senator, his lifetime ADA score was 41. Former Georgia senator Sam Nunn had a lifetime ADA average of 37. Al Gore had a 65 average. Joe Lieberman, who is sometimes described as a liberal and sometimes as a moderate -- he has a generally liberal voting record but also dissents from several important liberal positions -- has a lifetime ADA score of 76 through 2002.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A28761-2004Mar27?language=printer

[bobthedrummer]

12. That's why I'm an independent American citizen.

For Kerry, who shows flashes of what is needed-but Dennis Kucinich really does have the platform for needed change.

[Nite Owl]

13. Sam Nunn?

No way. Kerry will disaffect his now fired up base. This is not the time to 'reach across the aisle' and be non partisan. I know he's supposedly a Dem but those Georgia Dems are less liberal than the Repukes up north. I'm remembering the hard time he gave Clinton after he was elected on the gays in the military issue and health care.

[PATRICK]

The media is dancing our dance

in the Veepstakes. I know it is harrowing that Kerry launches a surrogate in this way. He MIGHT actually mean it depending how well the surrogate does, but how else will Nunn get press to air his support for Kerry or anything if he was not suddenly "in the race"?

This is one of the few ways the media jumps to our tune and multiplies our voices. The terrible guessing of the impatient scoopers is also entertaining for a change. meanwhile the point being made in very focused and disciplined fashion is the drawing together of leadership support for Kerry. The competition is not "indecision" not a "war" and not in the slightest a sign of "desperation".

In the end I am sure Kerry will make an intelligent excellent choice. I am sure it can easily be debated then if that was the "best" choice. Maybe not. God knows(and maybe a few chance lucky guessers on DU). It only matters that a strong, intelligent process like this will be applied to all policy decisions and that the Veep will be infinitely qualified and more of an American than anything in the other party.

It is good to voice objections lest anyone think progressives don't care or that it doesn't matter, but the way it plays in the electorate with the personalities concerned should calm fears that someone really objectionable will be chosen. Some floaters are obviously impossible but very unitive without giving away any platform planks.

[faithnotgreed]

17. this is my first post here - important (well i think so!)

hello everyone - this is my first post on du. ive read the posts here for a couple months as im trying to get to know the vibe of the various blogs. sorry if it goes against etiquette for my first post to be this long. i do have to say i feel many of you are my "people". you want to do something about whats going on. this may not be the best idea but heres one option:

some of you may think im "radical" and at this point i think i am. ive just listened to randi rhodes and california rep henry waxman. i just have to speak up.

any of you fantastic energized kerry supporters interested in coming to dc for an organized revolt? i am very serious about this. i have heard so much from people on various blogs and those on air america and all too little from mainstream media. many of you are working locally which is so wonderful and necessary but as ive read many times on this list (and others) the mainstream is not hearing or reporting anything of continued substance. this is where maybe we can come in.
is anyone else just as much in disbelief as i am? i cannot even believe it has come to this or that i am saying this: i think we are seriously in danger of becoming something akin to 1930s germany.
it is nothing short of astounding.

anyway this is not organized at this point. this is the 2nd place im posting this.

i have room for up to about 8 people. no i dont live in a big place - very small actually but i know someone who is in charge of a small hostel and she is supportive. i know there are other hostels and people who would be as well.
i live in dc nearish (8 blocks i think) the red line and we can go straight to the white house (well the blocked off part anyway!) i think we will need a few more people than that if we are going to get classified as a revolt esp with this media (!) but you have to start somewhere right? i know there are many peace activists and social justice workers and non profits and free speechers and civil rights and constitutional freedom people and many more people who are unhappy and some downright scared of this administration. and if you think we can leave it to the truth of the polls (GO JOHN KERRY!! who will win) then please look at blackboxvoting.org or diebold or.... there is no end to the suppression of truth in this country.


i dont have any specific time frame but please please tell me


are you in? because im here and ready to go

[kentuck]

19. Welcome fng !

But as you probably know by now, the people of DU have a healthy skepicism in their DNA. They understand that words like "revolt" are not productive in these times, at least not in public discussion. :)

[faithnotgreed]

21. genuinely sorry for the word "revolt" - i just want to do something!

thank you for the welcome. i certainly mean no harm. in fact i really mean to make things better if we can. i certainly welcome any other ideas......

[kentuck]

22. I sensed your sincerity....

You are the type of person we need to turn this country around. Thanks for posting...:)

[faithnotgreed]

23. thank you kentuck - i appreciate it

[Malva Zebrina]

20. There is something seriously wrong with the opposition party

I for one , have not a scintilla of respect, or of trust, in it at all.

We, the people, the little people, have been though virtual hell for almost four years. We agonized over the lack of those in our representative agencies, like the congress, who could give a shit about us/.

and we have a candidate, who seems to be playing the same game

You know, I am fed up with it. I do NOT LIKE it when I have to vote for someone I have NO faith in, in order to get an asshole, and a criminal, out of our house.

I hate it.

and, we have almost NO ONE willing to say it

[Senior citizen]

26. You nailed it, Marianne.

This is how the 2-party system maintains control. This certainly isn't the first time.

Actually, I do have some faith in John Kerry. He has done some good things. It's the Democratic Party I have NO faith in whatsoever. And I don't appreciate lacking a viable alternative.

[Gloria]

24. Agreed. This too cute stuff with McCain, trial balloons about not

accepting the nomination...and this silly VP dance...I thought he wanted to avoid this? But it's gone on far too long. What the hell is having a primary season that ends after about a week, all that time, if you don't get your team together and start really slamming the other guy? All the fancy footwork and leaks won't make up for the confusion and frustration that results.

This whole period has been more annoying than energizing, with the potential of being very divisive no matter who is picked.

I think this has been the stupidest several months I've seen...And I still can't get a clear grasp of the candidate, in terms of his real fire in the belly to win.

[Hubert Flottz]

25. Hell yes even the Repubs are sick of Bush!

The entire country wants a change!

[flaminbats]

27. This is no time for being fancy-dancy...

Sure Sam Nunn isn't glamorous or the favorite of every Democrat on the Internet, but he can win votes for Kerry in the south and give Repukes a huge kick in the ass on national security and deficit spending. If getting Kerry elected is what we want, then having Sam Nunn on the ticket would be a benefit. Kerry's message will not suddenly change just because Nunn is his running mate!

[Vadem]

28. Edwards and Clark would ALSO win votes in the South...

for Kerry and they sure as hell are more my choice than Sam Nunn for Chr*st's sake! He should choose a real Dem to fire us up again as we were with Dean. I agree, this McCain bull has my blood boiling, too.

[flaminbats]

29. McCain voted against Bush's tax-cuts when 12 Democrats voted for them..

I agree that Edwards and Clark would be better choices than Sam Nunn. But I know that Sam Nunn is not the backstabber or dishonest man Zell Miller is, and there are some benefits he could bring to the ticket.

This doesn't mean he would be my top choice, nor do I believe he is seriously being considered for this position...which is another reason that attacking him makes little sense to me.

Perhaps you understand why I believe that primary voters should have the same right to nominate the running mate as they do the party candidate.

[Vadem]

30. You know, flaminbats, I have often thought about this as well....

"Perhaps you understand why I believe that primary voters should have the same right to nominate the running mate as they do the party candidate."

To me also, it makes as much sense as choosing the presidential candidate, because the VP's reason for being is to step into the presidency if something should happen to the pres.; if he/she weren't the voters' choice, then we would be stuck with someone we may not like.

Just look at the discussions we've had about the VP nominee; they have been as vociferous as the discussions over the party candidate.

[tom_paine]

31. Praying and hoping for John Kerry to be the man America needs

I have yet to see that kind of fight, or the inclination that ANY of the Status Quo beyond that blessed by Corporate TV Pravda, is going to change.

I am immeasurably sad about this, even as I work my ass off for the Kerry Campaign.