9/11 Commission Hearings on NOW - Are you listening? NORAD today.

[Stephanie]

This is chilling. They are playing tapes from air traffic controllers and military.

[Corgigal]

1. where

can I find it? I don't have c-span 3.

[Stephanie]

2. I'm getting it on radio - WNYC

The Pacifica stations are carrying it. SHAAME on C-SPAN.

You can stream from www.wnyc.org or www.wbai.org

[alvis]

3. CNN has it now nt

[Corgigal]

4. great

thanks..will be now and getting pissed off shortly. Thanks again

[sendero]

5. Wow...

.... what I've heard so far paints a picture of overloaded controllers, total lack of communication between one cell and another and between the FAA and the military, a system totally ill-equipped to deal with more than one errant plane at a time and a series of errors and bad assumptions.

It can all be excused on some level because the people involved clearly had not been apprised of the cacaphony of warnings that the government had received about hijackings.

I've deleted further commentary. It is just too depressing :(

[Stephanie]

6. Now they are getting to Booker School chronology

Hah!

[G_j]

8. wow is right!

will need a transcript of this,

[Corgigal]

7. I don't know who this little lady is

and why she was picked to be creditable to give us this adminstrations dateline but she's full of shit already. When my blood pressure goes down I will be able to post more. If I was a family member of someone murdered that day I would be freaked by now.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

9. bush stayed at booker elem. for 5-7 minutes

after being told of the 2nd plane hit the WTC? this "commission"

is a sham.

[VolcanoJen]

11. Yes, and he wanted to present a "strong, calm front...."

"... until he was able to gather more information."

Well, how in the hell do you gather more information while you're sitting in a classroom reading a Pet Goat book to children?

Michael Moore's movie will be a real eye-opener to most people, when it comes to the issue of "presidential leadership" on 9/11.

[sendero]

14. That might be a credible....

... explanation, had he taken any action whatsoever to obtain information.

[nostamj]

12. LIE!!

I've seen that tape. way more than 5-7 in the schoolroom and then several more minutes before the first statement.

what utter BS

[Zan_of_Texas]

41. nostamj is right WAY more than 5-7 minutes

I heard yesterday from a source that Bush not only kept sitting there during the goat story, but hung around afterward EVEN AFTER THE PRESS RAN OUT OF THERE BECAUSE ALL THEIR BEEPERS AND PHONES WERE GOING CRAZY!


The media, the inept media had their hair on fire, but the Commander in Chief hung around talking before getting back in the limo. No urgency at all.

Why?

[SudieJD]

10. Bunging Dam Idiots!

It's like hearing a transcript of a "3 Stooges" movie! What a bunch of baffons! I'm so angry right now I can't think straight!

SudieJD

[Corgigal]

13. I like how they kept saying

they couldn't verify if it was a hijacking. Well NO idiots, the terrorist wasn't telling us and damn him, he didn't put the hijacking code in the transponder. However the FAA manual (.65) states, treat the aircraft as an emergency until known otherwise.

[G_j]

15. ship of fools

this paints a picture of a situation where nobody knows what the hell they are doing.

[0007]

16. I'm watching on c-span3 - it is awesome

I don't know who the women was!

[G_j]

17. probably the most important day of these hearings

the transcript will have to be gone over with a fine tooth comb.

[Skidmore]

18. Well, truth will be shot down momentarily....

Myers is up and he's got his head so far up *'s tush, that he breathes for him.

[LittleApple81]

20. You are right... I cannot even listen to him. He is a sorry excuse for a

human being.

[KoKo]

19. Did any of you get the feeling Cheney was running the whole thing leaving

out Rumsfeld? Was I hearing that correctly?

[G_j]

21. that is the impression I got also n/t

[Corgigal]

22. In Dick Clarke's book

he gave the impression that he was calling lots of the shots and that Cheney and Mrs. Cheney were watching CNN. Clarke would prompt Cheney for a response and he would answer it. Of course Clarke isn't going to appear in front of the panel today.

[dmr]

25. Most definitely, I got the same feeling

One conversation they spoke about between Bush* and Cheney, they have no record of, and no corroboration.

Did anyone notice the family member laughing when they read about Bush* in the school?

General Myers sure was smoozing with the panel before the hearing began. I'm having a hard time listening to him.

I think they are going to pin everything on the FAA and NORAD.

They seemed to make a big deal out of how the FAA wasn't a part of their teleconference until after 10:30am. Well, damn! If the FAA didn't get through to them, why in the hell didn't the the major players get in touch with them? This makes no sense to me.

[G_j]

23. dealing with a situation they were unprepared

and untrained for (paraphrase)

here we go again...
like they never imagined planes hitting buildings..etc. etc..

[LittleApple81]

24. Whenever you have the time, watch Symbolman's 911 Bush movie.

Be ready to cry. It is AMAZING.
Here
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

This is in contrast with has been said in this hearing.

[Habibi]

26. Myers

is one hell of a fast talker. And gestures a lot. It almost sounds like he's saying something.

[LittleApple81]

27. The almost is right. He is an unbeliavable lying coward. n/t

[Corgigal]

29. also trying this defense

I was in Washington that day, as you know I just an adviser to the military (not in the loop) and heard about the planes after the crashed.
However Richard Ben-Veniste called a few Generals a liar because they claimed they were not aware of any tapes of a phone conversation. (all FAA phones are taped)
Then the Generals found the tapes and claimed they couldn't play but the commission got an outside agency to clean up the tape and lo and behold, it played. I wonder what it has on it.

[Catherine Vincent]

28. I better not hear one politician bragging on how America is the greatest

country in the world! Imo, the greatest country in the world's intelligence would have prevented these planes from hitting buildings.

Superpower? It doesn't appear to be....

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

30. heckler calls out to ask about 9/11 wargames.

gorelick tells him to shut up.

heckler is wrong word, more like an american standing up...


another american just stood and called it a farce and walked out.

[JohnyCanuck]

38. These war games?

The ones that were "coincidentally" occurring even as real aircraft were being hijacked and slammed into buildings?

“I have an on-the-record statement from someone in NORAD that on the day of 9/11 The Joint Chiefs of Staff (Richard B. Myers) and NORAD were conducting a joint, live-fly, hijack Field Training Exercise (FTX) which involved at least one (and almost certainly many more) aircraft under US control that was posing as a hijacked airliner”.
Mike Ruppert – June 5, 2004, editor of FTW www.fromthewilderness.com

On September 11, 2001, Richard B. Meyers, the acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has thus far claimed he was in a meeting with Senator Max Cleland, and was “unaware” of the ongoing 9/11 attacks until after the Pentagon was struck.

<snip>

On September 11, 2001, the Air Force was in its second day of annual wargame drills, titled VIGILANT GUARDIAN, designed to test national air response systems, which incidentally involved hijacking scenarios. In addition the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) which is staffed by military and CIA personnel, and is in charge of most American spy satellites, was running a drill for the scenario of an errant aircraft crashing into its headquarters. NRO headquarters also happens to be located just four miles from Washington’s Dulles airport – where Flight 77 (the flight said to have hit the Pentagon) originated...

<snip>

It is possible that Phillip Zelikow, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, has classified certain wargames running on 9/11 so the Commission can’t address them publicly. The fact that the war games are open source, having been reported in mainstream publications including the Associated Press, UPI, and Aviation Weekly Magazine would make such a classification part & parcel to a cover-up. Hopefully the Commission will address, in public hearing, the impact these wargames apparently had on the NORAD response on 9/11.

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=387

See also Minstrel Boy's thread on the topic of the war games.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1694495

[KoKo]

51. WNYC has a discussion about what went on this a.m. on now. The rest

of the Commission Hearings are continuing on FAA Report on their AM Station.

I'm going to check out the "discussion." Unfortunately, the discussion is Frank Gaffney and Bamford (I think he's written a book called Pretext to War) I hope I got the names right. Isn't Gafney a PNACer?

[leesa]

57. Now these are heroes. Thanks to whoever you are!

[AP]

31. General Meyer's interpretation of posse commitatuts (sp?) was ignorant.

The person on tha pannel said "when I was counsel for the department of defense, we never would have interpreted the p.c. as saying that you shouldn't play defense within America. It's just says you can't arrest people in American."

The general said, "well, let's leave that to the lawyers. I'm sure there are a plethora of opinions on that."


SHE JUST SAID SHE WAS THE LAWYER FOR THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT!!!!

[vetwife]

32. Dancing around the question of LIHOP

This is nuts. They won't ask the question.
If I were on that commission I would ask everyone of them
Were any of you instructed at any time to Stand down? Till Further notice? Or at least until we figure out protocal and who is is charge? They are asking around the question

[LittleApple81]

33. Puke Thompson up now.... If his personality and ethics are reflected on

his face, they are dismal.

[Triana]

34. I've been listening since it started this morning...

...the reports and recordings from NORAD and the controllers, et al as it happened was especially interesting, haunting, but interesting.

[KoKo]

35. We've bombed two countries and these guys are saying we still aren't

prepared and where is the money going to come from when we've got so much debt from PNAC's Wars?

The generals are complaining they didn't have enough money to keep jets on alert because we needed money for Kosovo and other "hot spots."

The generals they are questioning now sound like shills for Bush trying to blame everything on the 90's and we know who was President then. Butt covering.

[KoKo]

36. Roemer going after Eberhardt saying that all the warnings were there about

using airplanes as weapons. Eberhardt is saying we didn't have any "actionable evidence" that this could happen. (Condi's line that she repeated over and over.) Ebherhardt saying we don't have the money to do this and we can't prevent small planes anywhere from taking off and attacking something.

[KansDem]

39. Yeah, I heard that too...

The generals are complaining they didn't have enough money to keep jets on alert...

And I thought, "Right. And how many years did we keep a fleet of B-52s in the air 24-hours a day fully loaded with atomic bombs to deter the Soviet Union from even remotely considering an attack on the US???" And all this going on during the Vietnam War???

I don't remember any whining about money then...:eyes:

[KoKo]

Roemer now saying Cheney ordered planes to attack but it wasn't passed

to the proper "chain of command." The generals said they were worried about making a "mistake" so they didn't act because they might have shot down the wrong plane.

[Drifter]

37. Yep ...

Sat in my car in my work parking lot for nearly 20 minutes because I couldn't tear myself away.

There were a lot of mistakes made that morning, but it is hard to put blame anywhere. It is easy to see how it may have taken a relatively long period of time to identify the seriousness of the attack. The confusion created by such a time coordinated attack was overwhelming.

It was heartbreaking to hear some of the conversations, realizing these people didn't realize the magnitude of what was going on.

Cheers
Drifter

[Sperk]

40. has anyone asked why standard intercept procedures were not

followed on 9/11?

[LittleApple81]

42. I think the objective of the hearings (at least with these witnesses)

is to obfuscate even more. The people in the audience are screaming and leaving because the questions are not being asked. Mostly a waste of time justifying their incompetence.

[Jose Diablo]

43. This whole investigation is just a smoke sceen

to say they are trying to find answers. You can bet what the final report will say. Another "Warren Commission".

[shance]

44. Our country cannot spiritually afford another Warren Commission

I think that could spell the end of this great nation.

How many lies can a nation stand on? At some point the house of cards comes tumbling down.

If we are the land of the free and the home of the brave, why are many doing everything they can to divert the truth from the light?

[KoKo]

47. Actually it's turning out better than I thought. They've gotten tapes,

e-mails and information that this Admin thought they'd Deep Sixed and many of the questions are showing that they have evidence that some of the generals have perjured themselves.

I think we will get more information out of these hearings than we would have if the 9/11 Wives and others out on the Internet hadn't pushed and pushed and done their own investigation. It's hard for them to ignore all the evidence, and even to spin it too far when there's so much information out there that's been discovered that the Chimp & Co. couldn't control. But, who knows...:shrug:

[G_j]

55. not that anything will be done about it, but

a number of people have perjured themselves before this committee.

[KoKo]

45. They've tried. It's being revealed that there Weren't Any Standard Op.

Procedures. :eyes: Kind of hard to believe that we survived all these years without proper "chains of command or SOP's" isn't it. One wonders how this didn't happened to us before since things were that lax. Or, was the Bush Admin just lazy about the whole thing and allowed systems to deteriorate, or was it LIOP? Who knows. Hard to believe that these folks were that incompetent. Keystone Cops..

[Must_B_Free]

46. What happened to the 911 widows?

Is all of the official report true, because they aren't standing up and contradicting anything?

From the little bit I heard it sounded like a whitewash to me.

Why doesn't Kristin Breitweiser say something?

[KoKo]

49. I saw the 9/11 wives in the audience. They can't stand up and contradict

because they aren't part of the hearings. Only the commissioners and witnesses can ask and answer questions.

[LittleApple81]

48. The DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE PRESIDENT

on AirForce 1??? They apparently knew who the president really is, or they know * is an idiot!

[LittleApple81]

50. Ben Veniste talking about code name Angel for AirForce 1?

Threat against AirForce 1. Apparently nobody knew of a threat to AirForce1.

[Stephanie]

52. No such threat?

Can't wait for this transcript.

[TexasSissy]

53. Yes, I heard. Sounds like Cheney was running things.

As we suspected. Cheney seems to be the actual "leader" of America.

The chain of command was lousy. Couldn't find out where some people were. No one relayed Cheney's orders to the pilots to shoot down hijacked planes. It's scary, indeed.

[TexasSissy]

54. Yes, I heard. Sounds like Cheney was running things.

As we suspected. Cheney seems to be the actual "leader" of America.

The chain of command was lousy. Couldn't find out where some people were. No one relayed Cheney's orders to the pilots to shoot down hijacked planes. It's scary, indeed.

[LittleApple81]

56. For all of you that have the stamina to listen to these bureaucrats

covering their asses, congratulations and thanks for posting. I am taking a break. Going to Al Franken...

[MadHound]

58. This is such horseshit, no worse

At least horseshit is great fertilizer!

The Warren. . .oop, 'scuse me...911 commission is trying to blame this on the air traffic controllers, painting them as incompetent and confused. The thing is is that the air traffic controllers ARE NOT responsible for air defense in North America, NORAD is! NORAD has a nice little place out in Kansas where they recieve live real time feeds of every air traffic controller in the US at the flip of a switch. They are the ones who knew this was going and yet didn't send up the birds UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE! This violates a Standing Order that is fifty plus years old.

This is more CYA and distraction from the 911 commission. Of course the air traffic controllers were confused, but they weren't making the decisions, that was up to the big boys at NORAD and DC. These planes were reported hijacked for forty five minutes before the first one slammed into the WTC. Plenty of time to have fighter jets up and in range, yet they were no where to be seen until it was too late. This is the smoking gun, and the purpose of the 911 commission is to obfuscate and confuse people so that this salient point is covered up.