Just got junk mail from the National Pro-Life Alliance. I should..?

[Paragon]

Poll question: Just got junk mail from the National Pro-Life Alliance. I should..?

[Book Lover]

1. Stuff it in their prepaid envelope

and return it to them. Maybe add a few pounds of other junk mail to help.

[DarkPhenyx]

5. I thinkn those things are good for up to 10 pounds.

Not positive though.

[ironflange]

15. Glue the prepaid envelope to a brick

Then throw it in a mailbox.

[outinforce]

16. Do That

and the US Postal Service will simply throw the brick away.

If your intention here is to make the organization whose goals you disagree with pay postage for a business reply, then be aware that any package or envelope weighing more than 8 ounces must be presented in person to a Postal Service representative at a post office.

of course, the rules on mailings could be different in the Great White North.

[veganwitch]

30. and include...

a letter saying

"thank you for reminding me to donate to planned parenthood."

[seemslikeadream]

2. Send them a few of the torture photos

Ask them if this is Pro-Life?

[elfwitch]

3. Good one!

n/t

[namvet73]

8. This is a good one. Really. Do it!

I've stuffed envelopes with "valuable" coupons to reply to credit card companies. It's very satisfying. Trash them back.

[outinforce]

31. What???

What do torture pictures have to do with being pro-life or pro-choice??

[elfwitch]

4. Use it as toilet paper and send it back to them....

in their pre-paid envelope.

[DinahMoeHum]

7. and add the following note. . .

"YOU'RE PRO-LIFE ?? FINE.
NOW GET ONE AND STAY OUT OF MINE"


:evilgrin:

[DeadHead67]

6. Tell them POLITELY. . .

That when they expend as much energy campaigning against WAR and CAPITAL PUNISHMENT,(executing people is ALSO a no-no for Pope John Paul II)then I might take them a bit more seriously.

[spooky3]

25. sadly, it will fall on deaf ears...

Their justification is that war and capital punishment are not directed toward "innocents" who deserve a chance to live. Capital punishment is directed toward murderers, etc. (there will always be a few mistakes made) and war toward despots, criminals, etc., such as Hitler.

I think you have a better shot at trying the argument that when they do as much to help poor children and other unfortunates, you'll listen. Of course, they'll probably respond with all the things they do for those people, etc., or that it's not their responsibility but rather that of the children's parents, but I think you can refute those arguments more easily.

[MooPie]

9. Return it

And tell them that there are over 800 children sleeping on floors in Orlando that need foster homes, and that instead of spending money on a marketing campaign, they should be funding shelter for those "Live" children. Those people make me sick. Hypocrites.

[outinforce]

12. Is That What I Should Do With The

"junk mailers" I get from NARAL and Planned Parenthood?

[elfwitch]

13. If that's what you need to do...

It's your life to do with as you please. You may send back any literature you do not want or find objectionable. Your right to freely express yourself (as long as it lasts) is one of the things that makes it great to live in the US.

[outinforce]

14. Thanks. What Do You Think Of This?

Dear Planned Parenthood,

Did you know that there are over 800 children sleeping on floors in Orlando that need foster homes? I am of the belief that instead of spending money on a marketing campaign, you should be funding shelter for those "Live" children. You people make me sick. Hypocrites.

Love,

Out I. Force

[MooPie]

17. You seem to miss the point

Pro-choice organizations are about improving the lives of the living. To help those people already existing in this nation. They don't believe in forcing women to give birth and then saying "see you, you're on your own. Good luck bringing up baby." Pro-choice organizations believe women should be free to determine whether or not to have children. If these so called "Pro-life" organizations cared about the living, they would focus their efforts on taking care of those in need, not attempting to coerce women to bring forth children that will often grow up in poverty, or abused or abandoned, and end up sleeping on floors. Pro-choice organizations are focused on women having the freedom to "Choose." Essentially, "Pro-Life" is not an accurate title. If they were honest, they would call themselves "Anti-Abortion" or "Anti-Choice" instead of trying to cloak their intent with some false humane title.

[outinforce]

18. You Seem To Miss The Point

See, there are these 800 children in Orlando.

They have no place to live.

Their mothers CHOSE to give birth to them.

They and their mothers need help.

Planned Parenthood and NARAL spend money on mailers.

Planned Parenthood and NARAL could, instead, spend their money to help those kids whose mothers CHOSE to give birth to.

Planned Parenthood and NARAL are hypocrites.

See?

It's all so neat and tidy.

I'm surprized you missed the point.

[MooPie]

23. No, they are not hypocrites.

Pro-choice organizations are about protecting reproductive rights, allowing women to have the freedom to make informed choices without coercion and lies. Planned Parenthood strives for women to have access to make knowledgeable decisions about whether or not to have children. They provide information on birth control, sex education, and the impact having children can have on an individual, the family and society. They are not claiming to be "Pro-life". They are pro-choice.

Organizations that proclaim to be "Pro-life" need to act "Pro-life" once the baby is born. They espouse the righteous activity of giving birth, regardless of circumstance, but then walk away once the baby is born, again regardless of consequence. Actually, it seems to me they should call themselves "Pro-fetus" since that's where their concern seems to end. They want to force women to bring children into this world, yet don't feel any responsibility once that occurs.

[outinforce]

29. Yes They Are.

That is, if I am to believe what you yourself have said about them.

Wasn't it you who lectured me earlier that "Pro-choice organizations are about improving the lives of the living. To help those people already existing in this nation."?

And now you provide me with this sermonette: "Pro-choice organizations are about protecting reproductive rights, allowing women to have the freedom to make informed choices without coercion and lies. Planned Parenthood strives for women to have access to make knowledgeable decisions about whether or not to have children. They provide information on birth control, sex education, and the impact having children can have on an individual, the family and society. They are not claiming to be "Pro-life". They are pro-choice."

Now then.

It would seem to me that if an organization is truly concerned about both improving the lives of the living AND about protecting reproductive rights, it would support the choices of women who choose to give birth to children.

Like the 800 women who are the mothers of the kids in Orlando who have no place to live. It would never say that the choice of a woman to give birth to a child was a mistake -- anymore than it would ever say that the choice of a woman to abort a fetus was a mistake.

They are -- these organizations -- as YOU say, "pro-choice". They only support the choice, without making any moral pronouncements about the choice.

So if an organization that supports "choice" somehow ends us using precious money to stage a public relations campaign -- instead of pursuing what you have told me is one of its goals --"improving the lives of the living. To help those people already existing in this nation" -- then I would suggest that that organization is very much a hypocritical organization.

Either that, or you have mios-stated their goals.

[elfwitch]

19. I'm sure they've gotten as much or worse...

As long as you don't send them a bomb-o-gram I figure they count themselves lucky.

[outinforce]

20. A "Bomb-O-Gram"??

What is that?

[elfwitch]

21. Okay I was being a little sarcastic

Bomb-O-Gram.. Mail bomb. Clinics get bombed. Keep up!

[outinforce]

22. I Would Never

I would never ever bomb anything.

Such acts of violence are as anathema to me as -- well, as crushing the skull of an infant.

[elfwitch]

26. I never said you would bomb anything...

And well "crushing the skull of an infant" that is one of those semantic arguments that cause all these problems in the first place.

I figure that it isn't an infant until it takes it's first breath. You obviosly feel differently. Not going to do that battle here.

In any case, do what you must. You have just as much right to lambast Planned Parenthood for thier policies as I do to disagree with Operation Rescue. Aren't rights great?

[outinforce]

28. Rights Are Indeed Great

But I can't help but notice that you made a bit of a leap of something.

You said, in an earlier post, that "As long as you don't send them a bomb-o-gram I figure they count themselves lucky."

I said that I would never ever bomb anything.

I said that I considered bombing anything to be as anathema to me as crushing the head of an infant.

In response, you said that you "figure that it isn't an infant until it takes it's first breath."

And you said that I "obviously" feel differently.

All I said was that I consider the crushing of a head of an infant to be anathema.

You assumed, I think, that I was talking about the head of a fetus that had yet to take its first breath.

I wasn't.

See how unwarranted assumptions work to get in the way of productive discussion?

[Bluebear]

10. Return a picture of Nancy Reagan sobbing at the casket

in their pre-paid envelope. Sadistic anti-stem-cellers.

[outinforce]

11. Where Is.....

Read What It Says?

[cheezus]

24. send them literature from planed parenthood

if they so against people having abortions, surely they're in favor of strong sex education and birth control, right?

[eridani]

27. Send general educational material

They will just ignore stuff about sex and/or birth control. Download fliers from blackboxvoting.org, or send them the following--(fits on one 8 1/2 by 11 sheet in 12 pt type).

BUSH FLIES SAUDI RACEHORSE OWNER WITH PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF THE 9-11 ATTACK OUT OF THE COUNTRY

Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, owner of War Emblem (who won the first two of three Triple Crown races in 2002) was at the top of the list of a group of well-connected Saudis who left the country from Lexington, KY in a luxurious customized 727 shortly after 9-11. According to one of bin Laden’s top operatives, Aziz knew well beforehand that a major attack was to take place in the US on 9-11. And the Bush administration let the bastard fly the coop. The very fact that a couple of hundred Saudis were flying around within the US to central pickup points like Lexington, while US citizens were prohibited from flying from Minneapolis to Chicago is totally outrageous.

On March 30, 2002, Al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah was captured in Pakistan and questioned by two teams of intelligence agents. One of the teams consisted of Arab Americans posing as Saudi agents, who hoped to scare Zubaydah into thinking he would be turned over to the Saudis for the usual torture and beheading. Far from being intimidated, Zubaydah was relieved, and told them that a call to Prince Ahmed would explain all—and he knew all the phone numbers from memory. He also told them to call Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud and Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, members of the House of Saud related to Kind Fahd.

He said that several years earlier the royal family had made a deal with Al Qaeda in which the House of Saud would aid them as long as they kept terrorism out of Saudi Arabia. The interrogators insisted that 9-11 changed everything—the House of Saud would not stand behind them after that.

Zubaydah said that 9-11 changed nothing, because Ahmed and the others knew beforehand that an attack was scheduled for America that day. They didn’t know exactly what it would be, and they didn’t want to know. Bin Laden knew the Saudis couldn’t stop it without the specifics, and also that they couldn’t turn on him without disclosing their foreknowledge.

Bush helped Ahmed leave the country right after 9-11, unmolested until June 22, 2002, when he supposedly died of a heart attack in his sleep. On June 23, Prince Sultan died in a car wreck. On July 30, Prince Fahd died in the desert of thirst. None was older than 43, and all are beyond questioning now. That these three were named by Zubaydah and then died young a couple of months later is extremely suspicious.

DELIBERATELY FACILITATING THE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE WHO KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT 9-11 OUT OF THE COUNTRY BEFORE THEY COULD BE QUESTIONED MAKES THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ACCESSORIES AFTER THE FACT. REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

Sources: Craig Unger, House of Bush, House of Saud, Scribner, 2004
Gerald Posner, Why America Slept: The Failure to Prevent 9/11, Random House, 2003