Was anyone else just watching CNN?

[Cheswick2.0]

They showed and played all the transmissions from AA and the planes etc,... and they are talking about the plane in pa being shot down. I am not sure if I am understanding everything I am hearing.

[MaineDem]

1. That was pretty chilling

A controller figured out there was more than one plane.

Those transmissions were eerie.

[Cheswick2.0]

3. I feel like I am in the twilight zone

Why would they finally allow those tapes to be heard?

[frankly_fedup2]

31. I remember some of the people who claim the plane

flew over their neighborhood and ran out on their deck, patio, etc.; saw a smaller, white plane that shot down the plane over Pennsylvania. They were immediately discredited and told what do they believe. . . their lying eyes or the truth from their Government.

[TrustingDog]

40. flashback DU thread on Warren Buffet - re: white plane

http://www.thugsanon.org/htm/46236.html

[Cheswick2.0]

49. kind of like all the people in Dallas

who were told they didn't see anyone on the grassy knoll or under the bridge or storm drain or whatever.

[frankly_fedup2]

53. Exactly. And that Oswald was the killer, and that Jack Ruby

died of cancer in prison, and that we had no pre-warning about Pearl Harbor, and that the Bay of Pigs didn't happen, and that George Bush was voted into office, and Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of our time, and Bill Clinton was impeached because he lied about a question he shouldn't have been asked in the first place.

I have pre-ordered his book btw.

[frankly_fedup2]

35. maybe they thought they better come up with something . . .

Odd it is 3 years later.

[frylock]

2. they actually admitted that 93 was a shoot-down?

Did they actually say that, or just speculate? Most evidence would support a shoot-down.

[nose pin]

5. I heard on CNN radio news this morning

that the fighter jets were still 150 miles away from interception when 93 disappeared from radar.

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. Welcome to DU :^)

[Cheswick2.0]

6. I am not sure if they were saying that or if

they were saying that the shoot down was ordered but the plane was already down.

then they cut to tape of Thurgood Marshall....this day in history blah blah blah

Freaking lol, I don't know what it is about today but I feel I have fallen down the rabbit hole.

Cheswick in Wonderland

[MaineDem]

9. I didn't hear them admit that

I did hear them say that by the time NEADS - not sure what the acronym means but it's the military in upstate NY - could look for 93 it had already crashed.

I wonder why they (NEADS) couldn't find it on radar for so long.

[TN al]

10. NPR just finished their story on it...

...no talk of a shootdown. In fact they said that the order to shoot down, which interestingly enough came from the vice-president not the president, was not made until the events were over. CNN may have just been trying to create viewers for later broadcasts.

[bossfish]

4. Not watching CNN, keep us posted

But frankly, I think the airliner in PA WAS shot down, except the story of the "heroic" passengers overpowering the hijackers makes for a better story.

In fact, in a way I HOPE it was shot down. What the hell does our having a powerful air force do us if we can't stop a commercial airliner within our borders. Otherwise, combined with the lack of action in NYC and the Pentagon our air defense looks like an absolute joke.

[gWbush is Mabus]

12. "heroic passengers" story as cover for Cheney illegally ordering the shoot

shoot-down.

makes perfect sense to me.

[Cheswick2.0]

20. I think you might be on to something

good point

[doni_georgia]

23. Randi playing tapes right now

"Vice President has cleared shootdown if they do not respond first"

[Cheswick2.0]

28. because no one could get through to bush

his cell phone wasn't working.

:eyes:

[merh]

37. He should have gone back to that classroom

and asked one of the students to show him how to use the phone!

[Kool Kitty]

39. BUSH'S CELL PHONE WASN'T WORKING?

He travels with loads of people, not one of them had a working phone? This is one of the worst lies they have ever told. If this wasn't such a fuckin' tragedy, it would almost be funny. Jon Stewart is right-they really do think we are retarded.

[radwriter0555]

27. I've said that all along. Those phone calls just didn't make sense

to me, along with that whole "let's roll" thing.

Doesn't smell right.

The babs olsen call made no sense either.

[Southsideirish]

30. I always thought that story had the stink of "PR" about it. n/t

[chookie]

55. Confusion remains about the role of passengers

I was kinda sort surprised to hear a reprise of the "passengers forced the plane down to save others" story. I thought the FBI concluded many months ago that they did not believe the passengers made it into the cockpit.

But I suppose I should not be surprised that myths should prevail over actual facts....

Of course, whatever happened does not detract from the heroic attempt of the passengers to wrest the plane from the control of the creeps who hijacked it. But my understanding was that it was very far from clear, and that there was evidence to conclude that they did not manage to penetrate the cockpit.

[radwriter0555]

29. An 8 mile long path of debris doesn't support "just a" crash...

those details support a shoot-down that's STILL being covered up.

After all, why did Tom Ridge get THAT job?

[mwdem]

36. I was watching CNN the morning of 9/11...

I saw the second plane hit the WTC. I also heard that the Vice President ordered a plane in western PA to be shot down if it didn't land. I still believe that Flight 93 was supposed to hit Three Mile Island. I still believe it was shot down.

[Hubert Flottz]

51. I heard the same thing that morning!

But I heard it had been shot down in northern Wv!

[mwdem]

52. I know they said the VP made the order.

I thought then we were fucked.

[LizW]

7. Listen to Randi Rhodes right now

She's talking about it too.

She's making me laugh ('cause you have to laugh or scream). She's mocking how the fighter pilots didn't seem to get off the ground. Her imagined conversation:

"The order to shoot down passenger jets came from the VP."

"Why? Do you think the President might have been hit?"

"I don't know, should we scramble jets?"

"I dunno, maybe we should wait."

"Anyway, what do you want for lunch? I'm starving. Breakfast wasn't enough, I just had the fruit plate...."

This shouldn't be funny, but it is.

[Cheswick2.0]

17. I turned her on...she is going to play a clip

listen people. It's amazing.

[larco]

8. I didn't hear them saying the plane was shot down.

Just that the plane was down. Another interesting thing from the report, concerning scrambling fighter jets. The reporter was talking about Bush* sitting in the classroom when the first plane hit, and then contacting Cheney to give the order to shoot down any hostile civilian aircraft (aircraft heading for D.C.). He then said that Cheney relayed the order, but by the time he contacted the military, it was too late.

So, WTF is going on here? I don't know if the reporter got it right, but why was bush calling Cheney to call the military to scramble the jets? I thought that the president was the commander in chief and wouldn't he be the one to call the brass? It just adds another layer of cluterfuckedness to this whole thing. Or, it reinforces the notion that Bush* can't make any decisions without consulting Cheney first. Even when time is of the essence and action is needed IMMEDIATELY. What a bunch of idiots.

[TN al]

21. I posted earlier about the veep relaying the order...

...to clarify: NPR did say that Cheney was relaying the order down through Rumsfeld, who was out of the loop in some capacity so the order did not reach Rumsfeld in a timely fashion. Anyway Cheney should in no way be in this loop. The chain of command follows Bush to Rumsfeld in military matters. Cheney is not in the COC. I wonder if Bush is just too damns stupid and was too damn scared and was too damn busy protecting his own lying thieving yellow ass to have taken the time to be concerned about his fellow americans so Cheney just took the initiative. Thoughts on this?

[grytpype]

11. Your sig sucks.

Why does DU allow animated sigs?

[LittleApple81]

13. Hide the sigs. It is easy. n/t

[aquart]

34. HOW can I hide that dizzying banner?

My only other recourse is to put the poster on ignore so it doesn't make me go blind.

[grytpype]

42. I don't want to hide everyone's sig because of a few sucky

ones that have some sucky animation like it was 1996 or something.

[Cheswick2.0]

43. put me on ignore

Ps..........your opinion sucks

[slinkerwink]

14. why does DU allow easily disgruntled DUers to post?

;-)

[Jim Sagle]

22. That's right...if you want to get upset, get upset at the poster with a

fly avatar. :puke:

[teach1st]

25. That would be me...

..you can get upset with me.

[larco]

16. I'm so glad you're talking about the issues that matter.

Who cares about a damn sig?!?!!?

[gpandas]

46. jim sagle n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

18. well I am sure it will all be clear at the great unmasking

unfortunately we have to wait until november.

KMA

[Southsideirish]

32. What's wrong with them?

[nottabubba]

15. Col Donn de Grand-pre

From prisonplanet.com

http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html

The guy de Grand-pre has already written about this, and names the AF unit that shot Flt 93 down, nicknamed the Happy Hooligans. He says that he has spoken directly with the pilots involved.

I remember vaguely the Cheney back on Sept 11, said that planes were shot down, but I can't find a link.

[Pastiche423]

44. Either the day after

or soon after 9/11, I read a transcript that included cheney and Myers, stating that the PA plane was shot down.

I went back to retrieve it a short while later and it was gone - down the memoryhole.

[Snazzy]

19. Rumsfeld was bypassed was the news today

Cheney gave the order, which in the chain of command should have been Rumsfeld.

Then Rumsfeld called Cheney to see WTF and there are tapes.

Cheney told Rumsfeld he gave the shoot down order, and he also thought that fighters had shot something down.

Rumsfeld said he hadn't heard from pilots that they shot something down.

That's the story with the tapes from the hearing today. (Links in LBN).

The CNN story sounded very detailed--hope they rerun, was doing 10 different things while it was on.

[Cheswick2.0]

26. Randi says cheney gave the orders because the Presidents

cell phone didn't work. Nobody else near the president have a cell phone? Isn't the truth that he was sitting in a classroom?

Please...I am sure the school had at least one phone.

[xxqqqzme]

33. how the hell would

squatter know whether it was working or not? He wouldn't be able to operate it. I can't Blieve he has a cell phone. Why? would he need one? he has tons of toads following him around w/ cells attached.

[LuminousX]

38. Frightening...

Bush's team at the school didn't have direct communication ability with the White Hosue and they felt it was okay to let him sit there and do nothing? Why weren't they scrambling to get back to AF1 that would have a secure connection to the White House?

Hmmmm? Oh, that's right, because Bush was totally unnecessary.

[greekspeak]

41. Makes me wonder who has the fricking "football"

Is it squirreled away down in Cheney's undisclosed bunker? WHY WAS CHENEY GIVING THIS ORDER??!!!?? "I couldn't get him on his cell phone" is a bullshit excuse. I am sure that the WH knew well in advance every centimeter of that school, INCLUDING its phone number. There was something rotten in the state of Denmark, but it apparently blew over into Washington DC.

[AntiCoup2K4]

47. While it's true that cell phone transmission was spotty on 9-11...

...partially due to massive use and partially due to some companies actually losing part of their network which was located at the WTC.

But you would think the so called "President" would have something a little better than your standard Verizon plan, wouldn't you? A satellite phone, perhaps??

[greekspeak]

48. Funny...

I do not remember any problems communicating via cellphone that day. I still lived in Springfield, MO then. My boyfreind had gone to St. Louis that day, and I spent a lot of time cell to cell with him. In fact, I am the way all the people with whom he was meeting learned of the incident.

I called him several times about the breaking news, and he called and told me about the insanity at gas stations that day. We exchanged a lot of rumors. Didn't seem to have any problems.

[MountainLaurel]

50. We did in the Northeast

I'm in DC and had a hella time reaching my mom in WV to let her know I wasn't dead. And I was alternating those calls with a flight attendant friend at Newark Airport (he was standing in front of a window looking across to Manhattan when the second plane hit). ABout 80 percent of the time calls weren't going through.

[mwdem]

54. Gee, I'm in the Kansas City metro area...

and I got through to my SO in Fla. on his cell phone, no problem. He did have to rent a car and drive through the night, but he got home okay.

[TexasSissy]

45. I heard that this a.m. Cheney THOUGHT it was shot down...

he was unaware that it crashed until later. He had given orders to shoot hijacked planes down, but he didn't know that, for some odd reason, that order was not given to the pilots.

That's what I heard.