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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:56 AM
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Did the blackout of 2003 boost Gray Davis?
I'm wondering if the blackout of 2003 remind the Californians whose fault it really was (Not Davis, mind you), and re-thinking the recall issue?

Will it be a huge reversal of fortune? Did Davis pray for this to happen?

I heard him on CNN - he did a great job explaining the situation vs the '01 "energy crisis"?

I was just thinking that late afternoon and wanted to post about it, but had no time.

Hawkeye-X
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:57 AM
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1. One can only hope so!
:eyes: This whole DAMN THING is not his fault. Why can't most Californians see this????
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Sirius_on Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:14 PM
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12. Your half right
The Cal power issue was not his fault, although the connection to the major Blackout in the east isnt likely.

The Cal issue was due to economical issues with the power companies. The blackout in the east was caused by natural occurances.
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MassDem4Life Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 01:05 PM
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17. I'm sorry to throw water on the fire, but...
The Governor, must take responsibility for the failures on his watch, just like he takes credit for the successes.

The fact is that when Gray took office there was a $12B surplus. Now there is a $38B deficit, and that is not including the pension, and debt interest deferments in the present budget. Those amount to a further $8B.

These numbers are what is killing him.

as for Energy, The numbers again hurt government, although not all of it, him.

California had not built a new power plant in 25 years. in that time the states power usage has risen by 2.5 times. This is a recipe for failure. Add to that the fact that nationwide, all of the switching, and distribution systems are 25-40 years old.

Also, I would point out that we shoot ourselves in the foot in this regard when we hamstring in court any power company that tries to build new, or update distribution systems.

Ok, feel free to flame me, but these are the facts, and we need to address them. party politics aside.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:58 AM
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2. Did anybody see Davis
on Larry King last night?

Did he bring up enron and the deregulation?
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:00 PM
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5. yes
even talked about how it was rigged.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:04 PM
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8. Excellent
Now I hope people will understand how California was manipulated and LOOTED by the Republican Party.
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salmonhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:59 AM
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3. Works 4me...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:59 AM
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4. I immediately thought of Davis, too~ And hoped in some
weird way it would help him! :-)
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:01 PM
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6. I think so
Edited on Fri Aug-15-03 12:03 PM by twilight
I really think that the big blackout will and has already helped Gray Davis. I found it ironic that the Homeland Security was not asked for help (duh?). I suppose other states see how ridiculous and ineffective it is.

In any event, it also shows that these power outages much be dealt with ASAP! This is why Gray Davis did what he did! Maybe others will now see the "light" so to speak.

Where I used to live in Northern Calif. the power would often be out for up to a week at a time - no water either because of an electric pump needed for the well to operate. These were not fun times and it was before the thing with Gray Davis even happened. Of course, the public never hears about people living in rural California with no power or water for a week!

I hope that these people back east now can see what the reality is. I had to laugh when Pataki said last night that this blackout situation required "Federal action". hahahaaaaaa!!!!!

I think God is looking out for Gray Davis and I hope the entire USA learned a very good lesson!

twilight

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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:04 PM
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7. Davis was excellent on LK last PM
looked and spoke very, er, "governatorial."

I had the same thoughts. Davis made the hard choices, stressed conservation...and had his political balls handed to him via the bush-approved price gouging of Ken Lay. He pretty much laid it out there, but was anybody listening?

I'm afraid this story will have no traction in the US media. Hell, 3,000+ people have died in France in the last 3 weeks due to the heat wave. Nobody here seems to know or care about it (except the disgusting WP editorial board!).

The right wing will bury the Davis/Enron/bush/NE blackout ASAP. CNN just had a report on the fact that "Congress considered an upgrade to the grid last year...maybe now they'll get serious." Wha? NO MENTION of the fact that the initiative was killed by the REPIGS!

And so it goes...
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:06 PM
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9. In one word "YES"
Vote "NO" on the recall
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:06 PM
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10. Cheney's secret energy task force should come back into focus.
Journalists should ask the question "How will the recent tax cuts affect the nation's infrastructure?

The Chimpadministration will not emerge from this crisis as problem solvers.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:07 PM
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11. Strangely, yes...
But he has to seize the initiative in a way that he has seldom done. It's time for an outstanding performance, a great demonstration of valor between now and 10/7. Stand up, and proudly talk about the things that the right-wingers call "job killers." Talk about how Bush is the first president since Hoover to have a net job loss. These are important things to note. Let Bush come to CA, dare him to--pummel him, attack him, call him Satan, Jim Jones and John Wayne Gacey. They have their "scapegoat"--now we need ours.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:17 PM
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13. davis will fight like a bengal tiger....
I think he will use the East Coast Blackout -- and the Clintons will back him up on this.

Oh...BTW how's the lawsuit doing to get Cheney's energy papers?
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:53 PM
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14. Bring the tigers on!
We all need to fight like Bengal tigers. This is a fight against Bush and Tom DeLay. No pasaran!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:54 PM
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15. Clinton should get out there and campaign in person with him!!!!!!!!!!!
Davis should beat these BASTARDS like a DRUM. With Arnie as DAS FUHRER, he will de regulate the markets according to Bushco's will!!! If Cali elected Arnie then they will rightfully get screwed BIG TIME!
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:56 PM
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16. YES!!!!
At least I'm praying it will!!!
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