I'm a rebel. Deal with it.

[mopaul]

i'm an undergrounder, i'm in the bush resistance movement. i am rebelling against these insane motherfuckers.

i'm crazy myself now, people who are offended by my rage and insanity can turn away. i'm paul fucking revere now, i'm screaming and so is my horse. i'm anti bush now, i'm yelling insults at bush now, i'm half out of my mind now thank you mr. bush.

i will say awful things now about bushwar. i will be mean, like my enemy the motherfuckers on the right. they didn't invent mean, they don't hold the copyright on mean, i got some too. they don't have the market cornered on being a bastard smart ass like rush, i can do it too motherfuckers.

if i say i think bush is beheading americans to bolster our resolve to smite the godless muslims and bashing it over our heads on t.v. like a sledgehammer, call me crazy. call me a rebel, i don't care what you call me, just don't call me polite.

fuck bush. fuck anyone who goes to saudi royal fucking arabia to repair apache death machines for bush. fuck lockheed-martin. fuck haliburton, fuck any american who would go there to profit from war.

i'm a rebel. and i mean it for real, i don't pretend to be a rebel.
we should all be fucking rebels now. if you ain't a rebel, you ain't payin' attention.

excuse a rebel for not being polite, demure, compliant, proper, decorous, nicer, considerate, thoughtful, classy, mature, structured, calm, compassionate, objective, or fashionable.

i'm a rebel for america. deal with it.

[Zorra]

1. Well, then.....

:toast:

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[mopaul]

4. turn away b boy, i'm a rebel

and i'm here

[Baltimoreboy]

5. I'm here as well

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[Baltimoreboy]

11. I can tell

[Gold Metal Flake]

8. "Posts like this one do more harm to everything DU stands for ..."

"Posts like this one do more harm to everything DU stands for than anything else."

Please define what you believe DU stands for. Also please relate how you believe you have the mandate from the whole of DU to define it.

[Baltimoreboy]

13. Mandate for DU: Freedom, peace

How's that?

Now, what about that lunatic post even vaguely resembled either of those points?

I will not join the hallelujah chorus and celebrate loose cannon posts.

[Gold Metal Flake]

20. You did not answer either question.

You may have your opinions of other posters. That is fine. Perhaps in future, however, you should refrain from inflating your personal opinions into artificial mandates of the entirety of DU membership. It's just that sort of tactic that is practiced with abandon on RW message boards.

Don't like "loose cannon posts"? Don't make them.

[Baltimoreboy]

25. Like it or not, Mopaul speaks for DU

That was obvious during the Reagan incident.

His post here is clearly another example of the worst DU has to offer.

[Forkboy]

33. Well if he goes then someone else will be the worst

Then we can whine about them and they'll leave and the next worst person takes over until no one is left but your perfect self :shrug:

[Baltimoreboy]

60. You must mistake me for someone else

I never said I was perfect. But there is a chasm between claiming to be perfect and the lunacy in the original post.

[Forkboy]

64. I know you're not perfect

I'm not either (hell,I couldn't find perfection with help from the Hubble Telescope),but the point still stands if one wants to see it.

[Baltimoreboy]

80. Outsiders don't quote me

Nor do I seek it out.

That is the big difference.

[Forkboy]

82. You're just not trying hard enough

:)

[Baltimoreboy]

97. Precisely

:)

[Gold Metal Flake]

34. I see only one person, not Mopaul, who wants so badly to be the ...

voice of DU, but can't think of a better way to further his ambitions beyond whining.

You do not speak for me.

[Baltimoreboy]

75. And he does not speak for me

I am not trying to be the voice of DU. Nor am I on a self promotion crusade by posting "I" this or "I" that all over the place.

[Gold Metal Flake]

147. The thread has been heavily edited...

...so the flow of this exchange has been lost. I would like to point out one post further down that seems to express an opinion similar to yours but in a very eloquent manner and without a false inclusiveness.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic...

Much better.

[Gemini Cat]

48. He doesn't speak for me. I speak for me.

However, I find myself agreeing with MoPaul %99.999 of the time.
Oh, and I agree with this post as well.

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[Career Prole]

87. "His post here is clearly another example...

...of the worst DU has to offer."
Or perhaps the best DU has to offer. It's a matter of perspective. I read headlines about Cheney "lashing out", yet we can't lash out? With all due respect...bullshit.
Swing away, Mopaul.

[Kanary]

23. Peace? On DU? PEACE????

You're kidding right????

Everyone is told, first thing, to get a THICK SKIN to be here, because people blast each other for every little perceived difference of opinion. VERY little discussion (except against Bushwa......), blasting each other, personal criticism, just as you engaged in, and on and on.

PEACE??????

Anything BUT.........

Kanary

[senseandsensibility]

10. I don't know why you assume

that his post is for self promotion. How could you possibly know? What do you base that accusation on? Isn't it just as likely that his anger is real, whether you agree with it or not? And isn't it possible that he is trying to wake some people up rather than call attention to himself? If you disagree with the contents of the post, fine. Argue the facts. Don't guess at the poster's motives.

[Baltimoreboy]

15. I don't base it on one post

I base it on every one of the posts and self proclamations I have seen from this "person."

I already made my argument, that this is the kind of post that undermines everything good about DU. I stand by that.

[doni_georgia]

32. Simple then - don't read MoPaul's posts if you find them offensive

That's the wonderful thing about forums like this, you can click the ignore feature, or you can use self control and not read his posts and not respond to them. There are plenty of posts here on DU that I don't agree with. Most of the time, I let them go. No one here speaks for all DUers. Unlike goose-stepping neocon nazis, we still believe in diversity of thought around here. I don't see how MOPAUL being angry and coming out and declaring so undermines anything. Yeah, his posts get a lot of play on conservative copycat sites - so the hell what. What do you suggest? That we all sit around singing fucking Kumbaya and hold hands while the neocons run our country into the ground?

[Hoping4Change]

102. ***********AMEN SISTER***********************************

[Deja Q]

128. ========== AMEN SECONDED!!! ==================

:thumbsup:

:yourock:

[bvar22]

187. ===============I'll see your AMEN=======================

and raise you a =========HALLELUJAH!!===============


Mopaul has been here a loooong time. I've always enjoyed his art, his skill with photoshop, and his PASSION.

Politeness, compromise, and "fear of what the repugs may think" will not win us an election (see 2002).

[merh]

39. then your option is to ignore it and not reply to it.

Turn the channel V chip! It's not that difficult and this board is about freedom of speech.

[JohnLocke]

116. Not really.

"...this board is about freedom of speech."

Well, no. Threads are deleted or locked for not following forum rules, and only leftist perspectives are allowed here. So no, this board is not strictly about freedom of speech.

[uhhuh]

186. What irony

You label the "only allowed" posts as leftist, but I have read your centrist, possibly right-leaning posts here for a long time and your still here! I guess you are sneaking in since you're not allowed, huh?

[indigobusiness]

21. You make a good point...

...too much interpretation of motives going on around DU.
Arguing facts and not judging motives is good advice.

[Deja Q]

17. Ouch! Well, all this proves one thing:

We're the same as every other human on this planet. Different circumstances, different reactions, but the same emotional processes that can lead to the worst of reactions.

May the Lord, Allah, Jell-O Brand Instant Pudding, whatever, have mercy on our souls.

I thought DU was a rebel-oriented website; rebels of Bushko*? Surely Mo fits in EQAULLY with the rest of us?

[Kanary]

26. Jello Pudding Prayers? ^_^

Bwahahaha! Thanks, I *really* needed that belly-laugh!

Yes, HypnoToad, you're exactly right........... we've changed the content, but not the process, and few want to even begin to look at that.

And on and on it goes.....

Kanary

[Hoping4Change]

27. You seem to have an issue with creative expression and

people who break the mold.

[Tinoire]

38. Nonesense B-boy. Posts like that are very helpful

They save some of us a LOT of typing because they express our anger quite succinctly and let everyone know that we have NOT been fooled by these right-wing charades of wars on "terra".

The only TERRA we're facing is politically expedient terror, manufactured terror. Imperialists are funny - they think they can go on a land, resource and/or oil grab and that the natives should just roll over.

Cecil Rhodes belief of stealing everything in sight and screwing the rightful owners is alive and well it seems! The rightful owners of those resources should just capitulate after we brand them terrorists and we should support the crooks because of their seductive machiavellic appeal to our sense of being the Uber-Menschen?

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[indigobusiness]

22. welcome to DU, Jabbery...

you have a way with simile.

(I'm fond of Telecasters)

[baboon]

6. a rebel on a keyboard

isnt going to change much.

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[Zorra]

12. I hope a lot of journalists

disagree with you.

[Deja Q]

19. No, but it lets the world know we all exist.

O8)

True, we can do nothing, but DU is a lovely catharsis for us. :D

[stavka]

71. No - It let's readers of this list feel there's at least one more

"The World" does not read this list in any detail.

[indigobusiness]

28. baboon's first post

and he's brutalized...

welcome to the paradise, baboon...your new shorts are purty.

[catzies]

41. Welcome to DU, and what difference do YOU make?

Have a nice day. :)

[Hoping4Change]

110. Baboon, "Nobody makes a greater mistake than

than he who did nothing because he could only do a little."

[progressivebydesign]

136. I love it! That's funny Baboon!

I wrote essentially the same thing, yet I used far too many words. Welcome.. I've hear three years, no one will accuse me of being a troll or a disruptor for having the same opinon you've expressed.

[kentuck]

14. A classic mopaul !

I love it! He takes his right to free speech personally and I agree with that right. And he's not alone.... :)

[Az]

16. The comfort of the mob

The right makes pleas to mob mentality. Emotional appeals. Appeals that focus on the course base emotions that we all have. There is a part of our brain left over from when our evolutionary ancestors were reptiles. This part of the brain is called the R-Complex. It is responsible for the more course emotions we have. Anger, fear, hate. Its primitive and it doesn't care what anyone thinks about it.

It doesn't take a lot of thinking to appeal to the R-Complex. You throw up some threats and you have its attention. However over time we have evolved other parts of the brain for dealing with more complex issues than overly friendly saber tooth tigers. However in order to use these structures we have to suppress the R-Complexes desire for visceral action. We have to realise that sometimes the best path is not to pick up an asses jawbone and start wailing on the other monkeys.

Those that do fall prey to their R-Complex are easily manipulated. Those that weave images of danger before their eyes can lead them to where they want. They are like putty in the hands of those that are willing to use their higher order brain functions to manipulate their moer pliable brethren.

There is a comfort in giving in to the mob. There is comfort in the howls of outrage of your fellow insensed mob mates. But there is also a profound ignorance in the mob. The mob like a pack of lemmings can lead right off a cliff.

Now I don't want to put a damper on your excellent rant. But we need you. You have a talent. You are an effective communicator. You can convey ideas. We need to focus those ideas in areas that are most effective. If we lose you to the mob. If we lose you to the reptilian part of your brain we lose a very important asset.

Recognise that you are insensed. Recognise that you are angry. But then recognise what you have to do to win. There is a goal. There is a way to get to it. We have to do the things that will get us to that goal. Focus on the goal. And let nothing distract you from that goal.

[Gold Metal Flake]

24. Can I just repeat a portion of this post?

"Recognise that you are insensed. Recognise that you are angry. But then recognise what you have to do to win. There is a goal. There is a way to get to it. We have to do the things that will get us to that goal. Focus on the goal. And let nothing distract you from that goal."

One more time:

"Recognise that you are insensed. Recognise that you are angry. But then recognise what you have to do to win. There is a goal. There is a way to get to it. We have to do the things that will get us to that goal. Focus on the goal. And let nothing distract you from that goal."

It's a mantra!

"Recognise that you are insensed. Recognise that you are angry. But then recognise what you have to do to win. There is a goal. There is a way to get to it. We have to do the things that will get us to that goal. Focus on the goal. And let nothing distract you from that goal."

Dammit, if the Democrats don't start looking toward the goal and don't start fighting like HELL to get there in a massive show of force not only will they lose the election but they will lose the country! Fuck all this pissy bitching! "Oh, I don't LIKE this guy. I don't LIKE his posts. I'm a fucking weenie who cant see past his own nose. I am too sensitive to exists with others."

That is just the same old wussie shit that has gotten the Democratic party the reputation as wimps. I see no real indication, beyond a few choice moments in the primaries, that it has changed.

The WORLD is waiting and watching for a bold and positive statement from the American people. The American people who think for themselves are looking for a bold and decisive but fair leader.

So?

Where is it?

"Oh, I don't LIKE Mopaul's posts, so I am gonna pretend like I know what the entirety of DU likes and that will be what I like. Yeah, that's the ticket. I feel so much better about MYSELF now!"

May I humbly present one possible proposal for what a mandate for DU just might look like?

"Recognise that you are insensed. Recognise that you are angry. But then recognise what you have to do to win. There is a goal. There is a way to get to it. We have to do the things that will get us to that goal. Focus on the goal. And let nothing distract you from that goal."

Speaking only for myself, of course.

[rumguy]

31. It is a mantra

Reading that was like a cool drink of water....

[Rex]

18. It's threads like these that make me really miss Mike Malloy!

nt

[Tyler Durden]

29. I'm a rebel TOO! And the Devil take the hindmost!

The diseased morons of the Reactionary Right have sold their souls to Mammon and may it bring them the pain and anquish that such betrayal of the entire world they so deserve.

May God NOT forgive them! Smite them, o Lord, for they make a blight upon the land!

There will not be any peace or rest until every Nazi DIES and may I see it in my lifetime. I only ask to live long enough to urinate on the graves of each member of the Bush family.

You know what? MOPAUL IS RIGHT. There's no "polite" in this. Gandhi was wrong on occasion, and this is one of them. As a lifelong vocal opponent of the death penalty, let me say that I would GLADLY take on the moral guilt of triggering the trap beneath each and every member of the Bush administration, after setting the noose to insure they strangle: slowly.

Keep screaming, Mopaul! You do it better than the rest of us, making it louder by default!

[Nlighten1]

30. I'm down with that MoPaul

I'm a rebel too.

[Armstead]

35. It seems like your goal is to cheese off DUers more than the right

Most of us here share your anger, and we express it in varying levels.

And you are obviously artistically talented and capable of intelligent and biting and witty criticism. Which makes it doubly sad you feel you have to resort to childish tantrums to express yourself.

But you (and some others) seem to be more intent at deliberatly making other Duers angry and making all of us look bad by posting the most alienating and extreme things you can come up with.

I'm not saying that we should all be meek little lambs. But there are ways and there are ways. And deliberatly and repeatedly posting the most profane and vitroilic and inflammatory spews is not the only alternative to that.

If your goal is to help make the left look mean-spirited,callous and foolish -- rather than helping to unite the left and center and trying to turn the nation in a better direction -- then you are succeeding admirably.

Paul Revere did not ride down the street yelling "The British are coming, you dumb fucking assholes." He had better sense than that.

[Forkboy]

37. LMAO

"The British are coming, you dumb fucking assholes."

I like Mopaul but there is truth in that.Plus it's funny as hell :)

[mopaul]

101. the assholes are coming, the assholes are coming!

[Cheswick2.0]

40. Hi Armstead, nice to read you!

:hi:

Mopaul, you do have a tendency to crap where we eat. No problem as long as you know that you are alienating as many, or more, people as you are engaging and that people will, as part of their free speech, tell you when they think you are wrong.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

69. Great. Post.

You and I don't always agree, certainly, but you are dead-on with this.

:thumbsup:

DTH

[JohnLocke]

88. THANK YOU

You said it better than I could've.

[mopaul]

99. I don't have a goal

of any kind. i just spoke my piece, and you just spoke yours.
enjoy it while you still can.

and, i never called you, or anyone else here a dumb fucking asshole.

such language.

[TomNickell]

179. Nor did Paul Revere accuse the British......

of every fucking bad thing that happened anywhere in the 13 colonies.

[TeeYiYi]

36. . . . and I will . . .

. . . type in all lower-fucking-case to my heart's content so anyone in the house with a gawd complex — deal with it!

TYY:7

[Beam Me Up]

42. I share your rage, Mo. What good does it do to be "nice" to MURDERERS?

I'm sick of a WIDE SPECTRUM of political positions from the extreme right to the "liberal" left that ALLOWS MASS MURDER TO CONTINUE UNABATED WITH NOTHING BUT $$$ AND LIES FOR JUSTIFICATION.

I'm tolerant of those who have been brain washed by the corporate media to believe that the United States of American represents something NOBLE, something GOOD. That is certainly what COULD BE THE TRUTH. The fact is, however, it is a lie.

Noam Chomsky isn't perfect but he fairly accurately sums up the history of our situation in his most recent work, "HEGEMONY OR SURVIVAL." Anyone interested can download the MP3s for the whole talking book here: http://www.aeschatech.com/medialibrary/

[Senior citizen]

43. Ah, a rebel with a cause.....

just like the people who started this country.


:bounce: :toast: :yourock: :toast: :bounce:


:kick:

[mopaul]

109. Ben Franklin, George Washington, Dread Scott, Dr. King were REBELS

rebels for america. they drank, they smoked, they cursed, they railed, they revolted. good thing they didn't post on the internet.

but imagine if they'd HAD the internet...............

[Raskolnik]

153. Quite a pantheon you put yourself in.

Those are some great men you compare yourself to. Here's hoping you are putting your money where your mouth is.

Good luck.

[Raskolnik]

44. So what are you doing about it? (besides this)

Do you know what "preaching to the choir" means?

You seem to mainly point out that Bush is a dick. Well no shit. Thanks for the news flash on that one. Saying "fuck __" may make you feel better, but it doesn't accomplish one thing other than that. And at this point, you're enjoyment should not be the focus of our efforts.

Instead of just pointing out the obvious, why don't you channel that energy into making an actual difference?

I'll give you a hand: what state are you in? Wherever you are, I'll bet there is a Dem candidate for the Senate or House that could use some publicity. Talk about THEM, and give yourself a rest as a topic. If you'd like to give my candidate (Barack Obama) a check, that would be a great start.

Seriously, if you want to be the badass rebel, lets get to goddamn work and give the echo chamber a rest for a while.

[Forkboy]

45. ooooooo...I got my popcorn ready!

:D

[Raskolnik]

46. And I'll give you the same offer...

What's it going to be Forkboy? Are we going to just discuss each other's dislike of W, or are we going to actually accomplish something?

[Forkboy]

47. How do you know what people accomplish offline?

Maybe plenty of us do accomplish things offline.Sorry I'm not serious enough online for you.(Well ok,I'm not really sorry at all)

What's it going to be Forkboy?

Great,now I have a Meatloaf song stuck in my head :eyes:

[Raskolnik]

49. We don't know unless you share it with us.

I'm sure many people DO accomplish a lot. Sadly, the potential of this site to accomplish even more is squandered by posts like Mopaul's that are consistently self-centered.

Let's talk then Forkboy, since it doesn't seem that Mopaul is joining our little discussion. What do you think we should be DOING to counter the Republican agenda?

[Forkboy]

51. We already do it here

Mopaul's post is one of thousands.There are threads organizing protests,letter campaigns,meetups,etc etc. You seem to zero in on the negative (which is in the eye of the beholder anyways).

If you think the site is being squandered take it up with Skinner :shrug:

[Raskolnik]

54. Please direct me to Mopauls threads...

that do what you say. I would be more than happy to contribute to them.

In my admittedly limited time lurking and posting here, I have seen him start dozens of threads, NONE of which presented any course of action other than bitching.

Its just a waste in my opinion.

I'll ask you again, since you have yet to address it: what do YOU think we should be DOING to counter the things that Mopaul bitches about?

[Forkboy]

58. "Its just a waste in my opinion."

Yup,that's your opinion,and I'm glad you're able to share it.Why does mopaul have to post what you like? So what if he bitches? Why don't you counter it by starting a thread about something you think we should be doing? Instead,all I've seen you do is bitch right back at his bitching :shrug:

what do YOU think we should be DOING to counter the things that Mopaul bitches about?

I did adress it-From my previous post;

There are threads organizing protests,letter campaigns,meetups,etc etc.

I would also add get involved locally where the real difference is made.

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[Forkboy]

74. than those outsiders are stupid

because he's not.If they're are too lazy to find out the truth than that's just too bad.I dont think we should cater our views to please intellectually lazy sods.

BTW,who are these "outsiders" we're supposed to be so delicate with?

[Baltimoreboy]

78. When the Reagan posts occurred

It was his thread they talked about.

[Forkboy]

84. And?

Who is "they"?

[Baltimoreboy]

113. Andrew Sullivan for one

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2004_06_06_dish_archive.html

[Forkboy]

121. That's what I thought

Let's all cater our language so that piece of human excrement doesn't get upset.

Fucking cowardly and pathetic.I'll pass,but thanks for the laugh.

[mopaul]

129. andrew sullivan scares me...ooooooohhhh...oooooooooooh

jesus

[PaDUer]

150. The hell with Sullivan...

he's another one who'd like to silence everyone so the people don't learn the truth. The more they discuss DU, the more people join because the facts and truth have been hidden since 2000, and now, the people are speaking.

[Raskolnik]

86. Ah, so anyone not in the know is stupid?

That is an attitude that will guarantee that DU and other similar forums will NEVER make a substantive difference in the direction of the country.

Free Republic isn't just shitty because of its ideology, its also shitty because they aren't interested in changing anyone's opinions. They are just interested in patting each other on the back to see who can hate the other side the most. I don't think that's useful or particularly enjoyable when any group does it. You may disagree with me.

The "outsiders" I'm referring to are the large block of people in this country who don't think they should be voting for W, and are looking for an alternative. Those people aren't stupid, they just aren't turned on by endless repetition of "fuck __", and are justifiably turned off by a group making light of a man's horrible death. I care about those people because they are the ones that will win us the next election.

[Forkboy]

91. Then explain that Mopauls voice in one of many

[Raskolnik]

93. Like I said...

He is a very LOUD voice here and posts almost exclusively to get attention. I can't go around to every paper that quotes his vitriol, but I CAN go to the source and challenge him to be better.

[Forkboy]

98. And you're doing a good job

[mopaul]

132. I knew i'd be in the paper someday......

i smoke in bed

[mopaul]

131. the word 'fuck' will surely be the death of america

what are you ON?

[thebigidea]

146. so if we'll never make a difference, why bother lecturing people?

and sorry if I'd prefer a single mopaul to a thousand insufferable pedants oozing with unearned self-righteousness.

[JohnLocke]

89. Mopaul's tactics represent DU poorly.

I've never seen him use a single fact, only allegation, snide comments, saracasm, and profanity.

[Forkboy]

96. I think a lot of people represent DU poorly

that's why we have mods.

[mopaul]

134. i wish you were here to spank me personally

instead of in cyberspace

[mopaul]

124. DU is the Central Front in the Global War against mo paul

how did you know i was doing bad things while i typed?

[Name removed]

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[mopaul]

114. apparently you don't realize that everything IS about me, mo paul

where were you when we discussed this?

[mopaul]

111. apparently you CAN'T shut me up

not yet anyway. i personally won't let you.

[Baltimoreboy]

118. No one wants to shut you up

We just want YOU to do so or at least aim for something more reasonable.

At least you are honest in the other post. It IS all about you after all.

[sampsonblk]

50. Amen

I agree with most of your points, although your delivery isn't my style.

We need some rebel party leaders, like the Repugs have!

[DoveTurnedHawk]

52. Wow, You Are Such a Badass

It's all about you, Mopaul.

:eyes:

DTH

70. its not ALL about mopaul, but ...

mopaul has helped us define and identify the enemy. Some of the best pieces of satire and political humor of our time have come from mopaul's computer, and I'm glad he's on our side.

(I'm assuming you are a "he" mopaul, but if your not, forgive me)

hey mopaul - PUMP UP THE VOLUME!

[DoveTurnedHawk]

79. "Our" Side?

So all it takes to be on "our" side is a little preaching to the converted, even while alienating many others? No thanks.

We all know who the enemy is, here. Some of us choose more constructive ways of dealing with the enemy. Others choose less constructive ways. Still others only care about themselves, and EXPRESSING themselves, because they are INDIVIDUALS goddamnit, and gosh, doesn't posting a bunch of extreme shit that you can't say in public to strangers just FEEL SO GOOD!

Like I said...it's all about Mopaul. Like he says...he is such a rebel.

:eyes:

DTH

[mopaul]

138. i'm a giant brain in a tank

me and my tankbuddy, baltimore boy

[mopaul]

135. finally you get it

[mellowinman]

53. You know, I really hate to encourage this sort of thing but...

What the FUCK am I saying? Actually, I LOVE to encourage this sort of thing! Democrats are baddass motherfuckers; the sooner people get used to that the BETTER.

Hey Freepers, guess what?

Me and Mopaul can KICK YOUR FUCKING ASS.

Anybody else?

Here's a clue:

If you had a Gore/Lieberman yard sign in 2000, you'd likely get vandalized.

If you had the bumper sticker, same deal.

When I see "Rush is Right," that's which direction I try to RUN THE CAR OFF THE FUCKING ROAD. To the RIGHT. That's where the ditch is.

Democrats. We want peace, and we'll kick your ass to get it.

[Karenina]

55. GO MO!!!!

:toast:

What is with all these control freaks got dey panties in a bunch, knickers in a twist wanna tell folks what dey can and can't say? Is it SATAN??? :evilgrin:

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

56. Hell yeah

Hell yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah.

What good does it do you to bring your good intentions to a knife fight? Someone wants your kids, you gonna be nice and sensitive about it? Someone's putting your country on the clusterfuck express train to hell. You gonna just stand there trying not to piss anyone off? Or are you gonna fight them?

57. "if you ain't a rebel, you ain't payin' attention"

Damn straight.

Others can run the polite and narrow path, and have been for some time. More power to them, but we need some Road Warriors on the left.

Thanks mopaul, and turn up the volume.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

61. Exactly--EXACTLY

and I've been saying this for a while--the right has their wacked out people who are so far off to the right that they fell off the political spectrum, but you know what happens because of that? They end up getting their MEDIUM right shit pushed through because it seems so sane compared to the wacky way out there right stuff.

Why haven't we been adopting that stance? STEER LEFT, STEER LEFT.

STEER LEFT.

Grab that wheel from them and start cranking it to the left.

[JohnLocke]

59. Yes, but you also insult other people on the same side.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

63. Nah

you know why? I know we are working for the same thing. The same goals. That's just me, but that's why I find it hard to be insulted by anyone on my side.

[Forkboy]

68. Yep

Some people like to push buttons,and some people like to be the buttons :)

[Forkboy]

66. "Yes, but you also insult other people on the same side."

Excellent,I look forward to you decrying that very same thing when someone uses the terms "loony left","fringe leftist",etc.

Thank you for your support :thumbsup:

[JohnLocke]

73. There are almost no fringe leftists in the United States.

It's mainly an artificial construct created by right-wing media pundits and Republican leadership to make their insane, radical agenda seem moderate, and the rational Democratic platform seem out of the mainstream. The person who posted the thread is, whether wittingly or unwittingly, helping this along.

Does that answer your question well enough? :)

[Forkboy]

76. Well I know one DUer that uses both terms often

So next time I hope you'll tell her what you just told me.

[JohnLocke]

85. Who?

PM me.

[Forkboy]

92. Uh,no thanks

Between this forum and,uh,others,I know how well you keep info to yourself :eyes:

[uhhuh]

188. I guess they are all here at DU

Since you were crying about how only "leftist" points of view are tolerated at DU in a post above. How is it that you havent been banned if that is the case?

[JohnLocke]

62. And whenever anyone challenges your rigid opinions, you revert to sarcasm.

[dbt]

72. Waaaaaaaaah. mopaul makes us look baa-aad. Waaaah. MOMMY!!!

Waaaaah. mopaul is undermining the Democratic Party with every insane post. Waaaaah. mopaul is going to throw the election to bu$h. Waaaaah.

Waaaah. mopaul is trying to put words in my mouth. Waaaaah. mopaul is attracting Freepers when he says what he thinks. Waaaaah. mopaul wants to take over DU and turn it into a hate site. Waaaaaah. mopaul won't play nice. Waaah. Make him STOP! Waaaaah fucking WAAAAAH!

Jebus Cripes. Somebody call the WAMbulance!

:evilgrin:
dbt

[JohnLocke]

77. It's not his views, it's how he argues them.

I've never seen him use a single fact.

[Forkboy]

81. Personally I find his naysayers to be the uglier side of Dems

The cowardly,base-all-thought-on-whats-palatable-to-right-wingers crowd.

But that's just my opinion.One of thousands here at DU.If someone doesn't like they'll let me know,and that's the beauty of it :)

[JohnLocke]

83. Like I said, it's not his views, it's how he argues them.

[Raskolnik]

90. An unrelated question.

I noticed that you're from Florida (or as I like to call it: America's Wang).

Do you think that Kerry has a chance in that state? Speaking as someone from the midwest, I just don't think he does, but what do the people like you with a little closer perspective think about it?

Hope springs eternal and all that, but I would be amazed if Jeb doesn't pull out all the stops and deliver his state decisively.

Any thoughts?

[JohnLocke]

104. Kerry has a good chance in Florida.

They are trying to purge the "felons" off the voting rolls, like they did last times, but this year everyone knows what they're up to. If we can stop that, Kerry has a good chance (even more so if he picks Graham to be his running mate).

[Raskolnik]

112. I sure hope so, but...

I'll remain cautiously pessimistic so as not to have my hopes crushed by your crazy state...again.

I hope you don't take offense if I say that I pray that Kerry doesn't pick Graham as his Veep. I just don't think he plays well at all in the rest of the country, as was indicated during the primaries. Time will tell I guess.

It makes me glad to be in a state solidly in the Kerry column, so I can concentrate more on our senate race.

[JohnLocke]

122. Where are you?

You said you live in a "state solidly in the Kerry column" in the Midwest? Iowa? Illinois? Minnesota? or Wisconsin?

[Raskolnik]

137. Illinois, baby!

We've got the best damn Senate candidate in the country, too.

Remeber the name Barack Obama, he'll be the future of the Democratic party. I guarantee it.

I'm originally from South Dakota, which will be interesting as hell when the Daschle/Thune race heats up. I'm worried about that one to be honest.

[JohnLocke]

173. Cool.

Election 2020: Bill Frist VS. Barack Obama.

[Raskolnik]

175. I'm a shill, I know.

If you took the love child of the late Paul Wellstone and the late Paul Simon, you'd have Obama.

If you get a chance to see him speak, don't pass it up. More than anyone else right now, he makes me proud to be a Democrat.

[JohnLocke]

191. I'll try to hear him talk one time...

:)

[uhhuh]

193. How dare you!!

You can't call Florida America's wang!!! What will those who live there looking for truth think of us? You are hurting our side!! Edit your post, or Andy Sullivan will point to it and make us look bad!!!!

WAHHHHHHH!

[Raskolnik]

194. I'm sorry, was there a point to that?

I'm not sure that you've really understood what I've said, so I'll ask you to read it again and wish you a good day.

Thanks.

[uhhuh]

199. Just trying to get this thread back on topic

It's about Mopaul's rebel rant, remember? If you want to discuss Florida politics, start your own thread.

You are trying to say that people here are not making a substantive difference by posting vitriolic chimp attack threads, and they should be doing something else.

Your post I responded to had a (barely) humerous reference to the state of Florida that in no way contributed to a reasonable discussion of Florida politics, but you couldn't help yourself from using it, could you?
This somehow reminds me of the original poster's habit of saying what's on his mind, regardless of what people might think. (Sort of a rebel remark, so to speak.)
Did you carefully consider the America's Wang comment before you put it in, and decided that it was ok to go ahead and piss off a bunch of Floridians, or did you just go off because you thought it was funny?
I bet Mopaul thinks he's funny. Some may not agree. So what?

Leave Mopaul to do his thing, and you go do yours. We have a whole section of this board for discussing politics in Florida, or any other state for that matter, but you feel like derailing mopauls rant thread by discussing it here.

Who's the one wasting time again?

[Forkboy]

94. Comedy is not pretty

to quote Steve Martin.And neither is politics.

Say things how you want to and mopaul will say things how he wants to.That's the beauty of a big tent.

[JohnLocke]

100. And I will say the things I want to, too.

[Forkboy]

105. I thought that was covered by this line

Say things how you want to... :)

[mopaul]

140. say what you damn well please johnlocke, i'll fight for your right to

and nothing you say, or have ever said, will offend me.

enjoy free speech while we can

[Raskolnik]

95. That's the kind of rational discourse...

that Mopaul's fans bring to the table. Thanks but no thanks.

[Forkboy]

106. Got the point across though didn't it?

[Name removed]

115. Deleted message

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[Forkboy]

123. Sure he is

He had many people here pegged.

[Name removed]

119. Deleted message

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[Forkboy]

127. gee,not being too hypocritcal there John

Yes, but you also insult other people on the same side.

You posted that an hour ago.I guess it's ok for you to insult those on the same side,eh?

[JohnLocke]

184. Profanity-laced and entirely devoid of facts.

Yep, that's mopual, and MAYBE he's not on my side, because my side aims to win.

[mopaul]

141. Raskolnik is making all of DU look really really bad to our enemies

what a bold statement this is.

[mopaul]

139. baltimore boy is making us ALL look bad

who is this self important baltimore boy anyway? do we know his real agenda? do we have a file on this.........'person'?

[sendero]

103. Gee Mopaul....

... don't you know you have to be measured and always mindful you are the voice of DU.

Freeptards can threaten death to a vicious traitor like MM all day, but if we get mad we better watch out, "what are they so angry about?".

Democrats have been trying to take the rhetorical high road forever. It's not working very well and it never will. Conservatives hijacked political thought in this country by repeating lies and half-truths with passion. "Liberal" is not only considered the label of a wimp, it is also a dirty word. What is wrong with getting angry and saying so?

So, maybe you have a bit of an ego. I can live with that. Very few people ever accompished anything without one, no matter how effective they are at hiding it.

Sometimes your opinions are a little out there. That's ok. Every time a freeptard opens his drooling mouth he says something that is out there. Doesn't seemed to have hurt the Rep party that much.

[JohnLocke]

108. Nothing is wrong with getting angry; BUT there is something wrong....

... with not using facts at all.
....with lacing posts with profanity, invective,m innuendo, snide remarks, and sarcasm.
... with supporting a civilian getting their head chopped off.

[sendero]

125. Since when....

.... have pukes (expecially on message boards, but in public life as well) been concerned with 'facts'.

I'm sure those who don't like snide remarks, profanity and sarcasm don't like my posts either, tough shit. Try to get them removed or get me banned. Limbaugh CREATED A MOVEMENT with snideness and sarcasm. Did you learn anything?

I don't have to agree with every position one takes - in fact, I never agree with every position anyone takes. Sometime mo gets unhinged, so what?

I'm tired of hearing the "we can't sink to their level" bullshit argument. The only thing the American people understand is their level. Their being at their level is the key to their success - how else do you get people to vote against their own interest?

Exactly at what point in history are you willing to take of the rhetorical gloves? Cuz' if you aren't yet, you never will be and that's too bad.

[Name removed]

144. Deleted message

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[JohnLocke]

197. Here you go.

From the original post:

"fuck anyone who goes to saudi royal fucking arabia to repair apache death machines for bush."
"fuck any american who would go there to profit from war."

[resist]

107. Oh please

No quarrel with the gist of what you have to say, but please . . . the language. Surely you must realize that you demean your own message that way.

I'm a little old lady with a mouth of my own but not in public and I'd be really appreciative if you'd clean it up so I don't just have to stop reading your thoughts - they're important.

Thanks

[sadiesworld]

117. As my momma says, "It takes all kinds..."

and it does. :7

[QC]

126. Yeah, it really takes a lot of guts to post on an anonymous message board.

I'm in awe of you, dude! :eyes:

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

130. O.K., I'm dealing with it.

Dealing with it. Dealing with it.

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE.

No, wait, yes, dealing with it.

And dealing with it.

[progressivebydesign]

133. You're not a rebel.. sorry... you just enjoy listening to yourself rant..

Real rebels don't actually WRITE that they are rebels. Real rebels just rebel, they don't pontificate and posture. I've been on DU for over 3 years... you're not rebelling, you're just requiring more attention. Perhaps you're a rebel in the sense that 14 year old kids that rebel against their parents, and proclaim to be rebels.

Real rebels are doing things far more interesting and groundbreaking than simply posting immature strings of four-letter words on some internet site. Do something impressive.. I might be impressed with your rebellion then. Right now, you just have kind of a loud, filthy mouth. I mean, what the fuck? We can all swear, it doesn't make us rebels.

[mopaul]

154. bad language is destroying america, and so am i right?

not bush?

[TomNickell]

180. Not bad language; bad logic. /nt

[PaDUer]

142. The bored to death

disruptors have entered DU again today..Mopaul, you speak your mind and truth. Guess they know where they're going, along with their pals!

[Raskolnik]

143. I anyone doubts what Mopaul has to offer...

Just look at his contributions to his own thread.

Do you see any well-reasoned thoughts? Nope.

Do you see any logical rebuttals to the many arguments others have made? Nope.

Do you see someone bringing down the level of discussion and offering only sarcasm as argument? Yup.

You've done our work for us Mopaul. I wish I could say I appreciated it.

[sadiesworld]

145. What IS your point?!

Please, be concise.

[Raskolnik]

151. See Post #44 and those that followed.

They sum it up pretty well.

Forkboy and I disagree, but we were able to have an adult conversation about the matter. Something Mopaul has yet to achieve (with me, anyway).

[mopaul]

158. poo poo. ca ca.

[sadiesworld]

169. Why do you feel it necessary to attempt to silence someone else?

If it is simply a matter of disagreement, didn't you make your point some time ago? You voiced your disagreement, be done with it if it causes you so much consternation.

I may not agree with everything said on this board (not a close call, actually) but short of an unrelenting attack on our candidate--WHICH HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IF YOU HADN'T NOTICED--I can't imagine posting mulpiple replies saying, in essence, STFU.

[Raskolnik]

183. I don't want him to be silent at all.

At no point did I tell him to shut up. I simply would like to see him direct his obviously ample energy into something other than playing the fool.

I'm not really interested in taking part in his "who hates W the most" contest that only Mopaul seems to know the rules of, and the only response I've gotten from him is (rather poorly executed) sarcasm. It just seems like a shame is all.

Remember, I don't say STFU, I just am arguing for the energy to be spent a little more constructively than "fuck __". That's the lazy way out, and it ignores the real work to be done in my opinion.

[sadiesworld]

189. If it is simply a matter of the best expenditure of one's energy....

(I think you know where I'm going here).

[Raskolnik]

196. Where are you going ?

Dairy Queen? Because for some reason I think you're going to Dairy Queen.

If I see someong drawing people's attention to himself only to bang his head on the wall, I'll tend to say something. Maybe it won't have any effect, but what the hell, I gave it a shot.

I don't think Mopaul will actually change, for the record, but I think that people may realize that he's only offering a one-note symphony.

Thanks my man. Now lets go kick some W ass out of office.

[thebigidea]

148. what the hell do you expect from a cartoonist/humorist? Tom fucking Paine?

Gregory Peck in "To Kill a Mockingbird?"

The only appropriate response to the whining responses would be contempt, sarcasm, and hysterical laughter.

[Raskolnik]

149. Um, cartoons and/or humor I guess.

Isn't that self-explanatory?

[thebigidea]

152. and you're saying mopaul doesn't churn out cartoons by the hundreds?

You sound like you wouldn't know humor if it unspeakably violated your very person.

Sarcasm may be the lazy man's comedy, but it is comedy. So if you're expecting humor from mopaul, why does sarcasm upset you?

What do you want from him on this thread, a three act play ala Shaw?

[Raskolnik]

155. I think perhaps he should STICK with cartoons.

He doesn't do too well with words.

[thebigidea]

162. And apparently, nether do you. Might I suggest pantomime?

[mopaul]

166. he would just scream his hands off

in an outrage.

[mopaul]

163. pompous self important maladroit balderdash and piffle

and i will say good day to you sir

[Raskolnik]

198. Self important?

Didn't you compare yourself to Ben Franklin, George Washington, Dred Scott, and Dr. King? Good lord man!

I'm a dick, I'm perfectly willing to admit. I'm also willing to admit that I'm not terribly important in the scheme of things. I know for damn sure that neither you nor I really have any business putting ourselves in those men's company just yet. They did a *little* more than post and respond to poorly reasoned rants on a message board.

Hyperbole, thy name is Mopaul. (how's THAT for piffle?)

[Dogmudgeon]

172. Raskolnik ... embrace your Inner MOPAUL ...

Let the Inner Mopaul destroy your ego ... let Mopaul Consciousness pervade your beingness and open your MopaulMind to the oneness of your opposition to the Deceiver, the Denyer, the Destroyer, the evil, life-crushing, soul-killing, mojo-sucking BUSH.

As Mopaul said in Chapter 18, Verse 11 of The Collected Waxings and Wanings of the Ineffable Mopaul, "Shabba Dabba Do-Wah! Do Wah Wah Do! Shabba Do Do Wah! And kick Bush's ass, while you're at it!"

Do not fight the Mopaulitude, Brother. Great is your struggle, but greater will be thy happiness when thou art a channel for the diamond thunderbolt that is Mopaul.

Amen.

--bkl
Nope, haven't touched LSD for several days now.

[mopaul]

160. why are we even in the same world?

sometimes it just don't make sense.

[mopaul]

156. you are so easily baited and manipulated, it's funny sometimes

also obviously obsessive like me

[Just Me]

157. Although I am a kinder, gentler rebel,...I embrace your rebelliousness.

Besides, mopaul,...you are far more than just a rebel,...you are funcking funny as hell,...and you are passionate and driven,...

It takes ALL kinds to create this forum.

DU is an incredibly rich fold of human diversity. The only rules seem to be: decency, tolerance and integrity. That's enough for me. I can handle the rest.

[mopaul]

164. i wonder why i didnt' offend YOU? and mr. R is so outraged at me?

difernt strokes fr differnt fokes

[Just Me]

171. Maybe it has something to do with individual limits?

I guess the only question is whether or not you accept responsibility for exceeding the limits of some though not others.

We all have something to contribute,...in our own way.

<on edit - I also think your passion is misunderstood - it's a (mis)communication thingy, I think, but I can only take stabs at it all>

[Pepperbelly]

159. Genuine rage plus the Andy Kaufman factor and there it is ... Mopaul ...

are you by any chance a Kaufman fan?

:D

And I got your point and have come to believe that beneath that thin veneer of rage beats a heart of RED HOT PISSED OFF!!!!!!

:toast:

A giant brain in a jar!

WHOO-HOO! :smoke:

[mopaul]

165. will you be my jarbuddy too, in here with raskolnik & baltimore boy?

it's fun in here floating around and being profound

[Pepperbelly]

170. basso profundity ...

I'm down with it.

After all, it is far better to float than to fall.

:P

[kentuck]

161. 152 posts already !

Mopaul sure knows how to create controversy. :) He's like an auto accident - everybody slows down to take a look...But how many mopauls do we have on DU? Just one? Yep, it's the nail that sticks up that gets hammered down. What do you suggest we do with mopaul? Censor him? Kick him off DU as a "bad influence"? Hey, he's controversial...Just put him on ignore if he bothers you so... I don't know what else to say. :)

[mopaul]

167. i'm a rebel, i'm no good, better not fall in love with me

i'll kill yer paw

[kentuck]

168. You're a dangerous man, mopaul....

One of these days you will put all that genius energy to productive use and do something very noteworthy, I am sure. :)

[Hell Hath No Fury]

174. I'll take...

one bomb-throwing, egomaniacal, pottey-mouthed, ranting Mopaul over a hundred mealy-mouthed "Oh-nooooooo-what-will-they-think-of-us?!?!?!" hand-wringers any day of the week.

Last time I checked, this is Democratic Underground, a site where Dems of all strips and other progressives gather to share information and ideas.

Last time I checked, folks here were free to express their opinions, even if those opinions are stupid/unfounded/embarrassing/infuriating, so long as the poster abided by DU rules and don't spout freeptardish.

Last time I checked, this site has nothing to do with the Democratic Party and therefore needs not worry about how it "appears" to the outside world.

Last time I checked, we are in the fight of our lives for the future of our country. It's been a long three years, and many of us have been here since the beginning. Three years of lies, lies, and more lies, atrocities, and a country that has turned a blind eye to this sack-of-shit administration have left many of us seething, so we come here to vent, find solace, and gain strength so we can go back out there and do what we have to do to take this administration DOWN.

And last time I checked, there is a couple of handy little web features the Admins provided everyone with called "hide thread" and "ignore".


I suggest everyone who doesn't want to watch the bomb-throwing use them.

[Just Me]

200. True. All true. n/t

[Swamp Rat]

176. Mopaul Revere

Ok, I've finally registered after lurking for 3 years, religiously.

Mopaul, you called me out. I've been a rebel since birth. I remember you disappeared for a while, and when I was living in Brazil last year (reading DU daily in cyber cafes), witnessing the flame wars on DU during the election primaries, I was constantly looking for you to no avail.

Please continue to rant and rave - I love it! I did it in Brazil in 9 different states (got threatened with physical violence by 3 Freepers in Rio de Janeiro, but 19 Brazilians came to my defense), constantly outdoing any criticism of our corrupt government. I imaging Paul Revere wasn't just saying the "British are coming" without also yelling "King George is a fucking asshole" or "fuck the monarchy" or something to that effect.

By the way, I love your art. I do this in my spare time as well. How do I show you guys my latest creation? How do I post my latest answer (JPG) to a Freeper's nasty email to me making fun of Kerry?

peace from New Orleans

[RetroLounge]

177. MoPaul is my favorite DU MoFo!

Don't you ever stop the fight!

:yourock:

RL

[dbt]

178. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

:toast:
dbt

[malachibk]

181. If you have to tell people you're a rebel, mopaul, you're not a rebel

I think that's in the handbook.

Glad you're fighting-mad, though.

[Swamp Rat]

185. Handbook?

Ha! REAL rebels don't need no stinkin' handbook!... though we do READ books all the time, especially the ones fascists want to burn.

[malachibk]

190. Again, I'd have to say that implying you're a rebel makes you ineligible

for rebel status.

I am not claiming to be rebel myself, I'm a bit too lazy for that, so I'm unsure if there really is a handbook, but if there is, I'd say the first tenet is most likely:

"Let others determine you are a 'rebel'. Proclaiming yourself to be a 'rebel' precludes you from 'rebel' status and might, depending on phsyical appearance, shift you from 'potential rebel' to 'geek' immediately."

Glad you're reading, though.

(This email is supposed to be "funny" not "rude".)

[Tsiyu]

182. Let it out, Let it all out

[amjsjc]

192. Nope still polite, measured and rational...

Quote:

excuse a rebel for not being polite, demure, compliant, proper, decorous, nicer, considerate, thoughtful, classy, mature, structured, calm, compassionate, objective, or fashionable.

Nope, I'm still all those things. If we become stupid assholes, then Bush will have won. Or something like that.

[KG]

195. thanks, mopaul.

i know i'll see you manning the barricades at the revolution.

your detractors have 'collaborator' written all over them.

[Moderator]

201. Locking

Enough PAs for one thread thx