Who here remembers how Reagan scoffed at Jimmy Carter over

[keithyboy]

human rights and energy conservation and alternative fuels?
Where are the people who scoffed along with Reagan?

Reagan is dead. The rest are in the Bush administration, fucking up the world!

Jimmy Carter was right then and they and we were wrong.

[Cha]

1. Rock On..

Jimmy Carter!

[havocmom]

2. 'There you go again...'

ah yes, I remember.

Jimmy Carter was the most decent man to grace the oval office. And the most honest.

Jimmy, if you read DU: we love you and you make us proud to be Democrats. We will get the nation back on course. Thank you for your examples to follow.

[struggle4progress]

3. Yes, Carter was right.

[peacebuzzard]

4. The perfect Nobel Peace Prize Recipient.

A brilliant icon who has suffered too often as the victim of scorn by the conservatives. It is so unimaginable that to be a humanitarian is to be a focus of contempt. Unbelievable that those attributes are laughed at by the pillagers of this country.

[kentuck]

5. What do you mean 'we" were wrong?

"Jimmy Carter was right then and they and we were wrong."

[keithyboy]

11. Because "we" ran for cover. We didn't support Carter like we should have.

That's what I mean by "we" I include myself.

[Tamiati]

21. Speak but for yourself on that

I and most of my counterparts supported Carter, and campaigned much for his re-election......alas the "machine" was turning already then though

[keithyboy]

32. ok sorry.

eom

[lanparty]

23. Agreed ...

The conservative media was just starting to flex it's muscle back then. They had scripted Reagans rise. They had a story and they were gung ho on selling it.

Carter didn't create the malaise of the late 70s. Carter didn't START the gas lines. Those were legacies from the Nixon years.

We need to stand up for both Clinton AND Carter. We've been bashed around by these paid shills and their propaganda for too long.

CARTER WAS A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN REAGAN!!!!!!!!

[Deja Q]

6. It's all about the oil, I'm convinced of that now.

They created the situation.

24 years ago was a turning point for this country. Carter spoke the truth...

[TrustingDog]

7. Jimmy was the last human president.

I still love that guy. he probably made mistakes and bad decisions like all of us do, but I know his heart was in the right place.
And his heart is still working hard.

[Tsiyu]

8. Aw, the memories...

He was the first Presidential Candidate I ever voted for back as a young miss. I even attended the Convention in Atlanta. I was so proud when he won. After living through John and Martin and Bobby dying and Watergate and Nam I saw hope in the peanut man.
Compare his eyes to Cheney's ( since he's the real Prez). One has honest, warm eyes, the other has darting pig eyes.
Jimmy was the most real, honest, caring Prez this country will ever have. Read "A Government As Good As Its People" He wanted what was best for the most, and we haven't seen that in a while.

[lanparty]

9. Jimmy Carter defeated gas lines!!!!

And Reagan took the credit.

Carter forced the Arabs to loosen up gas supplies. Otherwise, the US would have become oil independent.

A good drug dealer knows that forcing your clients into recovery isn't a GOOD business plan!!!!!

[DaveSZ]

12. Carter was one of our greatest conservationist presidents

after two Republicans:

Teddy Roosevelt and Nixon

[KoKo]

10. Oh yes...I do.. n/t

[keithyboy]

13. Kicking for the night crew!! Jimmy Carter we love you. Come back to

help us out. We want our nation back and we want our nation to at least try to be decent.

[Rose Siding]

14. I remember

So does this guy- imagine his frustration! (I voted FOR Carter):

POST TOASTED
A Post reader writes:

My condolences to the staff and management of The Post. I had no idea you felt so deeply about Ronald Reagan. I was a reporter and editor at The Post during the launch of Reagan's "revolution," and we had a somewhat different take on his presidency then.

Reagan nurtured the strong and punished the weak. He fostered the great regressive shift in economic rewards that continues to this day, while ignoring a visible deterioration in the middle class and manufacturing.

His economic theory was cockeyed and did not add up (both parties spent 20 years cleaning up Reagan's deficit mess). But Reaganomics did deliver the boodle to the appropriate interests, the same ones who financed his rise in politics.

A disturbing meanness lurked at the core of Reagan's political agenda and was quite tangible at the time, though evidently forgotten now. We wrote tough stories about that and other contentious questions; I remain proud of the coverage. I would rank Reagan's place in history right up there with Warren G. Harding's. You want to put him in the company of FDR, maybe even Lincoln. Future historians will decide who's right. Meanwhile, I read your funeral coverage as a lengthy, lugubrious correction.

William Greider
Washington

The writer was The Post's assistant managing editor for national news, 1979-82, and is now national affairs correspondent for The Nation.

http://maxspeak.org/mt/

[Maccagirl]

15. It's threads like these that keep me coming back

to DU. Keep up the good work ladies and gentlemen. Not a false note in the original post or any of the replies.

[coda]

35. Thanks party_line

Misssed that one.

Love Greider. :thumbsup:

[Cheswick2.0]

16. I was with Carter

I guess that means I was right too? But yes we didn't appreciate what we had.

[tjwash]

17. JC was the last President...

...who talked the talk, and walked the walk.

Remember this:


Who else but Jimmy Carter could have done this?

[lanparty]

22. Fuaxndies vs fundies ...

Yeah, there are TONS of fauxndies out there. But very few of them actually look at the life of Jesus and try to EMULATE it. Most of them seem to belief that Christianity begins and ends on Sunday.

I know some REAL christians. I know REAL fundamentalists. And they try there very best to live a modest, hardworking christian life. I respect them even though I don't necessarily agree with them.

I have an uncle who thinks the Catholic church is far too liberal. He thinks everyone should be Catholic or they're going to hell. He's kinda annoying to talk to sometimes. But he LIVES the life. He walks the walk, so I'll put up with the TALK!!!!

Let's remind the Fauxndies that being Christian means walking in the path of Jesus. Hate is NOT part of the equation. Love and acceptance IS. VIOLENCE is not part of Jesus' legacy. That is, unless your dealing with money changers and sacrosanct institutions (church, government).

Carter was indeed a REAL Christian. Not just a Fauxndy.

[KittyWampus]

18. Carter Looked Forward. Neo-Cons Are Trying To Drag Us Backwards

that's how I see it.

[stavka]

19. I was too young to vote for Carter in 1980

But I would have...

His policies in Central America and the Mid-East would have saved a million lives that were lost to Reagan/Casey/Haig insanity...

And the USSR still would have fallen apart.

[Tamiati]

20. Truly a Humantarian

He was the epitomy of what we should stand for as a people, yes I remember well.....

But, "they" jeered, ridiculed & laughed at his efforts. The political analysts condemned his foreign policy, his human efforts.

My god, we couldn't have a humantarian in office....he would screw up all the corporate wealth they were scheming to bilk us out of......How did this happen??? How did Jimmy really lose overwhelmingly to Regan?? That one really alludes me to this day...I know that I supported him, and so did many others.......

So, WTF?? The overall general "conspiracy" was in place even then.....Hey isn't that another crime of the Repubs?? Conspiracy???

[BeFree]

24. President Carter

He tried to tell us that we were in a world of shit. He was right. He tried to tell us that we needed to change our ways, get smart, take the bull by the horns and do the right thing. He fought hard to make peace in the Middle East, make peace at home and keep the peace in the rest of the world.

He told the people the God honest truth.

Along came a lying cheating scumbag raygoon, telling us that America can bully the rest of the world into submission, spend money we did not have, and deny rights to People who were not like us. America somehow fell for the cheating and lying, and believed the lie of "Morning in America".

Except for the brief respite during the Clinton years, it's been downhill ever since. I, for one, can never forgive my fellow countrymen for being taken so badly by ray and his goons. Never.

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[Valerie5555]

26. You bet that you would have to wonder what about the "human rights" of the

EMBASSY HOSTAGES who nonetheless suffered for over a year, though they did come back with their heads and bodies intact, unlike a certain hostage in Saudi Arabia.


My 8th birthday or February 17th 1979 was 3 days after the "St Valentine's Day Open House" as the embassy staff called it or the FIRST EMBASSY STORMING INCIDENT, and I wondered what would have happened to me had I been a young Canadian expat at the time, and I suspected I would have been forced to endure a "Taylor made" C - 130 evacuation flight.


Canada's Ambassador to Tehran at the time was KEN TAYLOR the very one who snuck the Americans out of Iran on fake passports and who also "dodged the bullet" again in regards to a certain terrorist incident in New York.

On edit I had gone on to get to know one of the former hostages indirectly and he was in a sense the "leader" the embassy captives, since he was the Charge' d' Affaires or "Acting Ambassador" of that embassy at the time.

[cinci]

27. There

was a show on concerning him on Discovery/NYT last week.

[Valerie5555]

28. Who ? Jimmy Carter or Ken Taylor?

eom

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[Valerie5555]

34. Or the guy who snuck the Americans out of Iran

Wondered if it largely touched on the Canada caper incident.

[mountainvue]

29. Um,

October Surprise anyone?

[jdj]

30. Enraptured?

Reagan responded to the "islamakazi's" alright, remember the "arms for hostages" thing?

Who wants to be "enraptured" by a freaking politician? Who needs that? It's like the GOP prototype is John Wayne and Jesus mixed together. I want someone competent and intelligent and decently moral, not a marionette with the military mafiosos on the other ends of the strings.

Why do rightwingers need a Christ-figure so badly? (The ironic thing about this is that Carter was as close to one as we will ever have.) This deranged need for some holier-than-us figure is what has led this country on a path to hell, 'cause anyone with any sense knows a figurehead is just that. Reagan was a front man. He nauseated me from the time I heard him speak. I was twelve when he was elected and his disingenuousness was embarassingly obvious to me, even then.

[coda]

37. "...disgusted and ashamed..."

By a President who wouldn't negotiate (IOW give the Iranians what they wanted) and whose "inaction" brought 50 hostages home alive, but you were enraptured by a President who promised the world that the United States wouldn't never negotiate with terrorists, but did it anyway? Who put marines in Beirut against the advice of the Joint Chiefs, got 241 killed and then left?

The fact is, your thirst for "action" would have been sated, had any of the hostages been killed.

Though I've never experienced this feeling of being "enraptured" of any politician, it's obviously some very powerfull stuff and while it might be said, in regards to this facet of American politics, that I don't know what I'm missing, well, thanks but no thanks.


BTW, if you happen to have those stats detailing the loss of the youth vote from 1980 to 1990, could you post them? I'd like to send it along to the Kerry campaign.

[Wind Dancer]

31. Yes, Jimmy Carter was a humanitarian!

He knew exactly what we were up against and I am proud to say I voted and supported him during his entire presidency, and have to this day. I only wish, the neocons weren't already in high gear and succeeded in his defeat!

Thank you President Carter for your dedication to this country.

[Jose Diablo]

36. Received a charity request from Carter

a few years back. He was working with a group that built homes for low income people called Habitats for Humanity, I believe.

How much charity work do we see Bu$h I doing? Like all the reich wing, they only concern themselves with their own selfish interests. This is the core belief of republicans; self interest.

Contrast the republicans to Carter. Carter is a gem. An inspiration we all can learn from by seeing what he does.

[HootieMcBoob]

38. Carter was the first President I ever voted for.

It was against Reagan in the 1980 election. I still support Habitat for Humanity and The Carter Center. We'd be much better off his philosophy of governing was embraced by the country rather than Reagan's.

[bread_and_roses]

39. Carter's own human rights record was less than stellar

as President. He, too, supported murderous dictators.