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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 06:51 AM
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749a.m. C-Span- Peter Beinart, New Republic. US Policy in Iraq
Might be interesting.


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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 07:37 AM
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1. Talking about the current issue and this article in particular:
Were We Wrong?
by the Editors
Resources are finite. To defeat and occupy Iraq, the United States has transferred special operations units from the hunt for Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Because our military is stretched so thin in Iraq, we cannot threaten military action in Iran or North Korea, which has reduced our diplomatic leverage. The tradeoffs even extend to the nonmilitary sphere. The Bush administration's refusal to adequately fund security for U.S. chemical and nuclear plants, for inspections at our ports, and for the police officers and firemen who would be the first to respond to a terrorist attack is well-documented. Absent its enormous expenditures in Iraq, the administration could have far better addressed these threats--threats more urgent than a tyrant in Baghdad with nuclear dreams, but no nuclear plans.

Should we have known that the key assumption underlying our strategic rationale for war would prove false? By early 2003, it was becoming clear that at least two pieces of evidence the administration cited as proof of Saddam's nuclear program--his supposed purchase of uranium from Niger and his acquisition of aluminum tubes for a supposed nuclear centrifuge--were highly dubious. By mid-February, Mohammed ElBaradei, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), announced that his agency's inspectors had "found no evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear-related activities in Iraq."

In retrospect, we should have paid more attention to these warning signs. But, at the time, there seemed good reason not to. After all, Saddam had tried desperately to build a bomb before the first Gulf war. While there was no proof he had revived this nuclear program in the '90s, he acted like a guilty man--relentlessly impeding inspections, even though such behavior perpetuated the sanctions that ravaged his people and made him an international pariah. Even after he allowed IAEA inspectors to return in late 2002, he denied them unfettered access to Iraqi nuclear scientists--although, by then, the cost of noncompliance was more than just continued sanctions; it was war. And, beyond Saddam's past history and current behavior, there were the claims of American --and foreign--intelligence. In October 2002, the National Intelligence Estimate, the combined assessment of America's various intelligence agencies, stated that "all intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons." We know now that some experts didn't agree, but few outside the administration thought so at the time. Indeed, even most opponents of the war assumed Iraq was trying to build a bomb. We feel regret--but no shame.

more at link:
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040628&s=editorial062804

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GR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 08:38 AM
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2. Beinart Still Sickens Me...He Won't Really Admit He Was Wrong..
He basically said Bush was wrong in the way he implemented the policy. He still believes it was the right goal.

I hate "liberals" like him....
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 08:43 AM
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3. What was with that crazy woman that called in to say Kerry was a criminal
She was out of her tree!
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 08:53 AM
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4. BEINART -- "Liberal" WUSS for Sure
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 08:59 AM by UTUSN
(Re-posting from the later, dupe thread)


He was on C-SPAN this A.M. shamelessly taking "credit" for TNR cover story, "WERE WE WRONG?" (not "We WERE Wrong") about the illegal and gratuitous Iraq attack. When the host asked him to answer his own question, he hedged that "we don't know yet" and went on to justify the Shrubbites by saying their noble goals might be "redeemed" even yet, that the problem has been the execution, all the things that "went wrong".

He also said, OUTRAGEOUSLY, that he can't project "what a second (Shrub) term might be like"-----------he CAN'T?? How come thousands of DUers here, without any access to inside, investigative information KNOW EXACTLY what an effing ANTI-DEMOCRACY GUTTING it will be???

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amen1234 New Republic Editors 'Regret' Their Support of Iraq War (WP) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a...

legin 9. "We were wrong ... just very slightly"
would be a better title for this crap.

You'll notice the actual title is "We Were Wrong?".

That little question mark makes all the difference to what they are saying in the title.

Bastards ? (irony)

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bushwakker 10. Amazing isn't it

I'm just an avaerage citizen. I have no foreign policy credentials. I've never served as a diplomat. I don't have an advanced degree in Middle East or foreign studies from the Ivy Leagues or Georgetown. Hell, I've never even travelled to the middle east (or Europe for that matter). I have no "inside sources" in Capitol Hill or the WH or in the diplomatic community. How is it that a moron like me knew these fuckers were lying about Iraq and all these "smart" people got taken in? To paraphrse a Sy Hersh article in the New Yorker in regards to Chalabi's playing of the Us Gov't - "they got suckered because they wanted to get suckered". Screw TNR trying to cover their ass now.

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