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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 10:35 AM
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Have there been any Islamic leaders condemning the beheading...
... of Paul Johnson? I've been hearing from some idiot freeper about how no Islamic leaders have came out to condemn the beheading, and that therefore proves the Islam advocates violence. Does anyone have any links that show otherwise?
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 10:38 AM
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1. they said the same thing when 9-11 happened
Arab leaders all over the planet were condemning the actions on that day. The freeper is wrong today as they are wrong everyday about almost everything. Why do you feel you need to show them proof of anything. It won't do any good.

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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 10:40 AM
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2. Actually
I think I have heard quite a few condemnations from Muslims about Johnson, because of his length of time in SA and his views (favorable) towards Islam. I don't know about leaders though.

Weren't some of his good friends Muslims, and they were out looking for him and asking the kidnappers not to kill him?
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 10:51 AM
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3. Yeah, why aren't any Muslim leaders condemning amerikkka for
continuing these transparent psyops of cutting American's heads off and amateurishly attempting to foist it off on Arabs?


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Redhead488 Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 11:01 AM
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4. Do you really believe that? N/T
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Heyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 11:24 AM
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8. Scary huh.....
Some people actually do.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 05:20 PM
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9. What's scary
is that sheeple believe that 19 arabs could pull off a strategically complex military action that could avoid the most powerful air defense in the history of the world without state sponsorship. Now that's a fantasical conspiracy theory.
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Heyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 08:42 PM
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11. It's not...
Edited on Mon Jun-21-04 08:43 PM by Heyo
They took over 4 planes... stabbed the crew....

....told the people on the plane they were going back to the airport so they'd sit down and shut up. Then they crashed the planes... not that complicated... handheld GPS is probably the most advanced technology they used, which you can buy anywhere.

It's the preparation that was complex, but it all could of been (and was) done easily under the radar....

The policy was never to shoot down hijacked planes then, so the air defenses aren't that much of a factor.

Heyo
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 11:16 PM
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13. Right.
Keep telling yourself that.

Why, however, were no planes scrambled until the last plane crashed, an hour after the hijackings were known about?

Why was the command and control structure changed in June of 01 to take the power out of the hands of base commanders to scramble denfensive aircraft and put it in the sole command of the Secretary of Defense?

And why, though he was in the war room at the pentagon and had up to the second information on the plane's activities, did rumsfertau refuse to scramble the planes?

Why did the 9/11 commission not ask any of these questions?
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Heyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 10:06 AM
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18. Oh that's right....
You've got this nailed.... see, Bush flew the planes into the towers himself by remote control, while standing on an old lady's neck, that's what happened.

"Why did the 9/11 commission not ask any of these questions?"

Because they are at least *attempting* to project an air of legitimacy.

What's funny is, in your mind, your logic is razor sharp.

Heyo

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NewEmanuelGoldstein Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 11:42 PM
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17. I have a nice...
...Bridge in Brooklyn I'm selling. Maybe you might be interested in buying it? I can cut you a great deal.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 11:07 AM
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5. Yep
And anybody who doesn't believe that this is what's going on is clearly either terminally naive or a freeper spy.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Redhead488 Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 11:16 AM
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7. Really?
So there is no way that it could be Muslim terrorists?
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 11:14 AM
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6. here' s one example
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 06:07 PM
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10. You should gently point out to the freeper that he is an ignorant liar.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 09:00 PM
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12. Apart from their massive general ignorance and bigotry
Edited on Mon Jun-21-04 09:01 PM by Djinn
I think part of the problem is that freepers are looking for some kind of Islamic version of the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury - and there isn't one, there are thousands of Islamic leaders, they don't have a "big cheese" and individual leaders don't have a huge media profile therefore don't get their sound bites out there.

To say that no Islamic leaders condemned either 9/11, the recent be-headings or suicide bombings or anything else the freeps can come up with is pure crap.

Not that I think showing these morans any proof will make a difference but p'raps you could suggest than instead of letting Hannity & co do his thinking for him he could take a really easy method of finding out for himself and type in "Arab leaders condemn be-heading" into google (research that even a freeper should be able to do without experiencing a brain hemorrhage. Whilst few individual Imams are quoted (due to their relative anonymity) many Arab and Muslim organizations and nations have condemn these acts for example:

The Organization of the Islamic Conference and Gulf states
The Arab League
The Secretary General of Muslim Scholars Association (Iraq)
Deputy Head of the Islamic Party (Iraq)
Al Dawa Party (Iraq)
Majelis Mujahidin (an Indonesian radical Islamic group)
Bahrain's King Hamad
The Government of Qatar
The Government of Oman
The Government of Jordan
The Government of UAE
The Kuwaiti Cabinet
The Yemeni President
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 11:30 PM
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14. Isn't that what all the freeps were yelling about after the first be=
heading? It was like clockwork. As soon as the last guy, forgot his name already was purportedly, repeat purportedly beheaded by Al Qaeda. The US fascist fuckheads started ranting about how no AAAAArab leader condemned the beheading.

"Well, sheeeet, what do you expect? all AAAAArabs hate good ol' Christian folk and this is proof. "

I just hope that all of these shitheads who buy all of this propoganda coming fromn the BFEE war machine are the ones sent over to fight the oil wars. If they were the only ones getting killed it wouldn't be as big of an issue with the thinking people of the world.
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NewEmanuelGoldstein Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 11:34 PM
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15. his name was
Nick Berg.
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NewEmanuelGoldstein Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 11:37 PM
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16. the more important question is...
Edited on Mon Jun-21-04 11:38 PM by NewEmanuelGoldstein
...have they even found Johnson's body yet? I mean supposedly the Saudis killed the guy who did the beheading, but the body (of Johnson) hasn't even been found, seems kinda fishy to me.
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