Joe Biden kicks ass

[malachibk]

From Rolling Stone:


"Biden: I was in the Oval Office the other day, and the president asked me what I would do about resignations. I said, "Look, Mr. President, would I keep Rumsfeld? Absolutely not." And I turned to Vice President Cheney, who was there, and I said, "Mr. Vice President, I wouldn't keep you if it weren't constitutionally required." I turned back to the president and said, "Mr. President, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld are bright guys, really patriotic, but they've been dead wrong on every major piece of advice they've given you. That's why I'd get rid of them, Mr. President -- not just Abu Ghraib." They said nothing. Just sat like big old bullfrogs on a log and looked at me."

link: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/storyid=6185043&pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7

[kiahzero]

1. But he doesn't say the right things on MTP, so he's a DINO!

:eyes:

Biden's a good guy... I don't like his support for DMCA, among other things, but I don't expect perfection from my representatives.

[aquart]

3. I'm still reeling from his touting of McCain for Veep.

[coloradodem2005]

2. Biden is really showing some balls.

I always thought he was miliquetoast but now he is really letting them have it.

[Jacobin]

4. He's a blowhard. All talk, no action

If he actually followed through and worked toward accomplishing one tenth of one percent of what he spouts off about, I would be his biggest supporter.

(I'd be willing to bet his fifth grade teacher would tell you the same thing about him)

[malachibk]

6. But at least he's saying something

No one else on the Hill is, really.

[Deja Q]

5. Sorry, he's a bidet as far as I'm concerned. (DINO already been said)

He's a big-time enabler and against consumer rights.

Screw 'im. Along with that Fritz Hollings cretin...

[arcos]

7. yes, he kicks the asses of music promoters... n/t

[KG]

8. what a pantload.

biden's so clueless he doesn't even understand the cheney and rumsfeld are the ones in charge and the chimp is just a sock puppet.

bidens been a bushco enabler, get over him.

[mzmolly]

9. I think he's a highly independent thinker. At times I want to kiss his

feet, and at other times, I'd like to smack the crud out of him. ;)

[KissMyAsscroft]

10. I doubt he even said that.

A Rolling Stone interview? Smells like pandering to me.

[AlCzervik]

11. agreed

shameless self promoter. I believe he had a problem some years ago involving plagiarizing in one of his speeches.

[malachibk]

12. It was actually a forum with...Biden, Wes Clark, Rand Beers, Gen Zinni...

Bob Kerry, Thomas P.M. Barnett, Fouad Ajami, and Sir Jeremy Greenstock.

Maybe they're all pandering?

[mzmolly]

13. Biden is not one to mince words. Thus he pisses everybody off.

Though I wouldn't want him on a National ticket, and I disagree with him strongly on some issues, I don't see him as a *panderer* ? :shrug:

[KissMyAsscroft]

17. He is full of shit...

All talk, no action...he could run for President with McCain and they could say all sorts of neat shit while nothing got done.

[mzmolly]

18. I dunno, I thought people who were full of shit had *polish* Joe doesn't.

:shrug:

He pisses everybody off.

[KissMyAsscroft]

23. He has seniority and he likes looking like a "maverick"

But name one thing he has accomplished...not just talked about.

[mzmolly]

24. Biden/Lugar. Which I wish made it to the floor for a vote.

I'm not gonna shill for Biden, but I don't consider him a pandering sort.

I don't generally pay that much attention to him frankly.

As for his accomplishments, a quick google search found a few:

http://www.votewithavengeance.com/biden.html

[poppabear36]

14. Joe Biden sucks ass

As someone already remarked he has been a Bush enabler.
After he supposedly read Bush the riot act I'm sure he probably had lunch with his good friend and colleague Orrin Hatch. Get real people.

[IronLionZion]

15. working link here:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story?id=6185043

Whether you agree with his politics or not, Joe Biden is nobody's bitch. He's an independent thinker and people hate him and love him for it.

[RummyTheDummy]

16. Does anyone honestly believe this happened?

I mean it is Joe Biden we're talking about here.

[truebrit71]

19. No. Not for a second.

That would require two things Biden doesn't have, a spine and a pair of balls.

[thebigmansentme]

20. biden

strikes me as an extremely intelligent and articulate person whan he talks, compared to other politicians. i don't know what it is, but he is able to express and explain his thought with such clarity it's hard to resist. he actually reminds me of howard dean a lot (a subdued howard dean that is)

[Kanary]

21. Considering that we're told constantly to "support" Kerry,

and cheerlead for him regardless of our misgivings, I would suggest backing off from the love/hate dicotomy with Biden.

Call/write him and applaud him when he does something helpful for the country and the DEM party, and call/write him and express your disappointment when he disappoints.

If we're sooooo desperate that we have to accept everything about Kerry and never utter a discouraging word, then we're desperate enough to appreciate when one of the DINOs does a Good Thing.

Kanary

[scarletwoman]

22. Oh PLEEEEEZE!

Barfola! Yeah, like I'd EVER take Joe Biden's word for ANYTHING!

He looks out for himself and the Ruling Class. Biden is part of the problem, NOT part of the solution.

sw

[Zen]

25. That doesn't seem like a realistic situation...

I did like it a lot when Joe HAMMERED John Asscraft "THAT'S WHY WE FOLLOW THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS, SO OUR SOLDIERS ARE NOT TORTURED WHEN THEY ARE CAPTURED!" he said through gritted teeth (quote may not be 100% accurate). You had to enjoy that.

[troublemaker]

26. Biden was my first choice as President this year

I know almost everybody here hates him, but I like the guy. Essentially the Dem. McCain, but given no credit for it because he has hair plugs and once plagiarized a "memory" in a speech.

He's got the most tragic personal story of any politician I know of, including the Kennedys. (This is from memory, so specifics might vary a little) Elected quite young (by Senate standards) and went ahead to DC on top of the world. His wife and kids were driving from Delaware and were all killed in a crash before they made it to DC. So there he was--he had achieved his professional dream of being in the Senate and *whamo* He considered leaving, but he decided he ought to stick it out and try to be a good Senator.

[Neshanic]

27. He said those things...then the alarm went off and he woke up.

[lumpy]

28. I'll say it again

He's the Democratic Barry Goldwater. He can't be sure if he should wear pajamas or get naked.

[Cat Atomic]

29. I doubt it went like that, but even it did,

who the fuck is he kidding? Rumsfeld and Cheney have allegience to their crackpot imperial ideology and their shareholders, and that is all. And George Bush is not the victim of "bad advice".

If Biden wants to brag about how tough and blunt he is, he should grow a pair and state the obvious truth. Not this "poor George" bullshit.

[President Jesus]

30. What self-serving HORSESHIT

Does anyone actually believe he started a sentence directed at the POTUS ( I don't care WHO it is) in the oval office with "Look, Mr. President..."

No fuckin' way.

It also bothered me when Gephadt would say this, which was all the time during the campaign.

Anytime Biden starts looking attractive, just rememember why he dropped out of the '88 race for pres. His stump speech was blatently plaigerized from a British politician. Not like a line or two. Not like a paragraph or two. Pages and pages, line for line, he ripped off. And when he was called on it, he bowed out of the race, CRYING.

I think he's a fine senator and he should just keep it at that. My educated guess is he'll be running in 2008 in the extremely unlikely event Kerry loses.