Since it's getting late and no one will notice

[salinen]

It wasn't right to kill Uday & Kusay.
Saddam should go free if we find no WMD's.
They should release John Lindh. The Taliban were not the enemy.

I'll stick around awhile to take direct hits, then I'm going to bed.

[taxidriver]

1. i won't flame you, but i like to hear your argument.

eh? it appears that neither of us are sleepy.

[salinen]

9. Well the entire war was a lie.

So any deaths cannot be justified. When I do the math it's 857 deaths to get 1 captured underachieving tyrant. Say what you will but Saddam could keep the factions from total annihilation.

I have no way to know if Saddam's sons were as bad as the news says they were. I have no respect for the whore press.

The Taliban said that they had no idea where OBL was to give him up. So America bombs the shit out off Afghanistan and names the Taliban as the enemy. Now America cannot find OBL. Should we bomb ourselves. John Lindh was not an enemy of the state on 9-10-01. Why should he be on 9-11-01?

[Slickriddles]

36. Here Guys Take a look at this

http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html

[loveable liberal]

2. uday and kusai were more dangerous than saddam

it doesnt bother me that they were killed, although i would have liked to see them stand trial in iraq. the 14yo that also died was a trajedy.

[DrWeird]

11. Not anymore dangerous than plenty of US troops.

Just look at Abu Ghraib.

[alittlelark]

19. uuuh, yeah

there's a thingy called a spell check....if you are disabled in that area, Please, Please use it. We should also capitalize the FIRST word in a sentence.

[foreigncorrespondent]

42. ROFLMAO! (n/t)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. Yessiree-bob! We certainly have a LOT of room to talk about...

...people being "dangerous", don't we? Does the name Abu Ghraib ring a bell? How about Gitmo?

I wonder what the average Iraqi citizen is saying about us these days? After all, it's been over a year since we taught them the true meaning of the word "liberated" by sending in the cruise missiles and bunker-busters.

And by the way, what happened to all of those reasons the NeoCons dreamed up to get us into the war with Iraq?

[Renew Deal]

3. This will make all the freeper sites by morning,

Say hi to the inbreds. :hi:

[billybob537]

4. The Iraqi people have a right to

punish Saddam and his sons. We do not. IMHO.

[alittlelark]

40. The American people have a right to

punish GW*Bush and his minions. The Iraqis do not. IMHO:evilgrin:

[billybob537]

47. Actually I think the Iraqi's do have a claim

to Bush's hide

[NMDemDist2]

5. ooops, not that late

John Lindh was a total miscarriage of justice IMO

Saddam was a dictator and war criminal from the Iran/Iraq war and should be turned over the Hague IMO

Uday and Kusay shot it out with the Marines, dumb move IMO

but please i'd love to hear your arguments as well

[salinen]

13. Mostly,

as I replied in #1

I don't take the information we receive as gospel. Look what is being done to slander Kerry and it's clear that lies are ankle deep as soon as we wake in the morning.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. Is there a full moon tonight?

:shrug:

[Robbien]

7. BushCo must be running his test of everyone's sanity tonight

and it is screwing up the karma.

[Name removed]

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[salinen]

23. Oh my

Wow, you fight dirty.

[Name removed]

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[Fenris]

12. Waxing crescent.

[NMDemDist2]

20. and quite beautiful tonite thru hubby's new telescope, i might add n/t

[iconoclastic cat]

8. Sorry, but for the number of rapes and murders committed by both,

they should have been locked up in solitary confinement for the remainder of their lives. That's worse than death.

[salinen]

15. Powell said that Saddam

was attempting to buy yellow cake uranium from the Sudan.

That lie is worth maybe 30,000 innocent deaths.

I'd say Powell ranks up there with the most dangerous tyrants ever.

[iconoclastic cat]

18. Yeah, he's sort of like the drunk driver who hits pedestrians.

His perception was altered, but that does not mean he is not culpable.

[billybob537]

48. Nigier not Sudan!

[Nevernose]

14. Rape-rooms didn't go out of business -- just under new management

Remember when Jeffrey Dahmer got murdered in prison?

Murder isn't right. Ever. Uday and Qusay should have had a fair trial -- THEN we hang 'em. Still, I'm not batting an eyelash. No one here is going to argue that NO good came out of our war in Iraq.

But, if you read the news, it looks as if all we did was transfer the ownership of the "rape rooms" from Saddam's government to our own.

"The best laid plans of mice and men..." (that ain't commie John Steinbeck, btw, that was Jesus of Nazareth) Except we didn't even HAVE a well-laid plan, did we?

[salinen]

21. Reply to all

The entire world is freaking out because America is being managed by a fundamentalists killing regime. They weren't worried about Saddam, or his sons, but are nervous in a real way about what horror America will unleash next. In 3.5 years chimpCo has successfully put fear into the minds of 6 billion people. Me included.

[baboon]

16. only a hypocrite would disagree with you

I guess those people also think the death penalty is only evil if its used against Americans and only Americans should get civil rights, a fair trial, and if a majority thinks violating the constitution is ok it makes it right.

You are correct on all 3.

[Name removed]

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[Nevernose]

26. 535 posts?

I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment, but wait till the guy gets at least 10 or 20 barbecue-worthy posts, maybe?

Then again, I'm not a mod -- do what ever the hell you feel like.

[President Jesus]

27. I'm just sayin'...that's all.

I mean, there is no doubt freeptards have escalated their attacks in the last 10 days. I have been seeing troll bait left all over the place by these guys under 50 posts lately.

Point taken, but you do the math.

[Nevernose]

39. Y'know, I've noticed the same damned thing

A few guys have gotten a thousand+ in the last ten+ days. I know they're Freepers; you know they're Freepers. All I can say is that it must be summer vacation, and all the high school kids are out on break.

Drives me nuts, personally, since in 3+ years I'm still under 2,000. I only call "foul" on you because I don't even check post count anymore, I check registration date and my (remarkably poor -- remarkably) memory. And as far as I'm concerned (I'm trying to sound like your grandpa now), all of you that registered after the summer of '01 are newbies, and are therefore suspect. The only person I know of that still posts, that I remember for certain, that was here before me, is Kentuck. This, of course, shows more about my sad, sad, personal life than it does anything else. But still.

If one tries really, really hard (and have waaaaay more freetime than I do), eventually Freepers can even con themselves into a mod position -- it's happened before.

[Selwynn]

35. LOL - awesome :)

:toast:

[Nevernose]

41. Don't go gettin' on yer high horse

I don't trust you either! :evilgrin:

[Selwynn]

43. lol.... again...

:D

Nice.

[Slickriddles]

33. Come on in Under the "BIG TENT" fella

Bob Dylan tells me a HARD RAIN is Gonna Faaallll.:hi:

[TrustingDog]

17. You might find this interesting...

http://www.joevialls.co.uk/
and go to:
Uday & Qusay Hussein Forged Photos, Forensic Analysis
on the list.

Warning: gruesome pics.

One thing that sticks out from the article is that professional morticians always pose the dead body in the same way the last/most recent picture available is - for identification.
not done in this case....

with all the lies and fibs and fabrications coming out of the Whorehouse, I don't fully accept this story as it has been told.

[leftofthedial]

22. Other than the Taliban part

I don't disagree.

[President Jesus]

24. I understand the need to openly criticize the actions of our gov't...

...but your post is outright America-hating.

Afghanistan was totally justified, both in the WOT and for human rights purposes. Hillary Clinton was campaigning hard against Taliban abuses while First Lady...all of it falling on deaf ears.

Al Qaeda openly declared war against western nations and it ws no secret they were freely operating out of Afghanistan. If the Taliban government was not willing to arrest or expel them, what is the western world supposed to do?

Are we now supposed to apologize for having planes slammed into our buildings and our embassies bombed?

As for Iraq, there are tons of reasons to question its validity, but I'd hardly use anyone in the Hussein family as some kind of innocent victim.

[Robbien]

29. what is this WOT you talk about?

also, this is not our government, it is BushCo's. They took it both by hook and crook.

[salinen]

30. Sure

Going after Al Qaeda was justified. But declaring the Taliban equal to Al Qaeda is stretching it IMO.

It would be a better world if all the bad actors were gone. GWB included.

edit: reply to #28

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. Hate to derail your reasons for war, but....

...the ENTIRE country of Afghanistan was not to blame for 911. Were you also aware that not a single one of the alleged hijackers was Afghan? In fact, the FBI can't even find a link between ANY of the alleged hijackers and Al Qaeda:

<http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/speech041902.htm>

Additionally, we gave the Talibans $43 million just prior to the 911 attacks. What was that all about?:

<http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/05/17/us.afghanistan.aid/>


So, am I correct to assume that you believe that we were justified in killing 10,000 to 20,000 innocent Afghan civilians "for human rights purposes"? Is that similar to "liberating" the Iraqis by bombing the crap out of them?

And while I certainly agree that the Hussein family was hardly innocent, I find that to be a terribly BAD reason for having gotten more than 800 Americans killed. It's anybody's guess as to how many innocent Iraqi women and children have died by now...they didn't deserve that either.

[President Jesus]

45. I'm sorry...I don't see how I've been 'derailed'

And from where are you pulling "10,000 to 20,000" Afghans killed number?

Again, you will be hard-pressed to find anyone in a position of power (ie not bloggers and bulletin board posters) who will tell you that Al Qaeda was not running the show from Afghanistan. I believe them, frmo all that I read in the late 90s until 9/11. And it's not just the Bush cartel that KNEW (not believed, but KNEW) this...all major world leaders.

The invasion of Afghanistan passed unamimously in the UN. It was an international operation.

But even with all that, the Taliban still was given a chance to turn over international criminals within its borders. It did not. Again, what is the western world supposed to do?

I think it's a major mistake to equate Afghanistan with Iraq. Dean supported this action entirely. Kucinich supported this action entirely.

[foreigncorrespondent]

44. How the hell is...

..going after the Taliban justified, when 9/11 was either LIHOP, MIHOP, or Osama BEEN FORGOTTEN'S master plan? And further, most of the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia NOT Afghanistan?

[markses]

28. Answers

1. The US military, acting in its function as occupying power, should have done its level best to capture the Hussein sons alive. However, if they could not do so, then they were correct to use the means available. i don't think they exhausted their options.

2. Saddam Hussein cannot be tried for possessing WMD (even if they were found). He can, however, be tried for crimes against humanity. Any such trial should have standards of evidence and operate according to international law.

3. John Walker Lindh should be freed. The charges against him were absurd, and the sentence an outrage. He was a deluded young man who was caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.

4. The Taliban were and are a despicable pack of bandits and moralizers. they're kind has been the enemy of people for many many centuries.

[Guaranteed]

31. Mmm...possibly, no and no.

On edit: And probably no on Uday and Qusay, too.

[Cat Atomic]

34. Saddam should go free? What the fuck?

No he shouldn't. I thought he was a murdering bastard back when Reagan was sending him chemical weapons, and I think he's a murdering bastard now.

Just because George W. Bush has a hardon for killing Hussein doesn't mean I'm going to defend Hussein. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

[taxidriver]

46. well said.

[billybob537]

49. Thats how we came to be an ally of Saddam

in the first place.

EDit; then Reagan sold missles to Iran for hostages.