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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:10 AM
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So Bush touts premarital counseling for the poor?
I'd kinda like to know why the poor need it more than the rich. Does anyone have any statistics on the rate of divorce by income?

I'd suspect you find equal to or greater the number of divorces in the wealthier families than in the poor.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:12 AM
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1. The answer might be
(Not that I'm defending Bush) The rich can afford to pay for their own premarital counselling.

But that doesn't sound like President Bush.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:13 AM
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2. fundies need it more
they have the highest divorce rates.
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:15 AM
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3. Just a guess, here, and I admit there's a little inherent paranoia...
This may be part of the plan to funnel everybody into religious organizations. Do you doubt that Bush* wants them to go to premarital counseling in a church, or with a religious counselor? I don't. Many churches already provide premarital counseling without charge to their members -- maybe, and I don't know this for a fact, it's an attempt to funnel people toward religion without expressly requiring that they go to church.

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:30 AM
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6. ding ding ding! Throughout the centuries, religion has been
government's most effective way of controlling the poor...

Teach those poor humility so that they don't ago askin for anythin!!!!
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:37 AM
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9. Partly
it's also a way of telling them what's expected in that type of church. If you know before hand you can then decide if you want a particular type of ceremony. Nobody gets surprised that way.
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:20 AM
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4. My take is that he needed something to say at the rehab center
in Cincinnati yesterday to justify billing the taxpayers for a fundraiser in Cincinnati. He couldn't offer real hope so he came up with this nonsense.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:25 AM
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5. Premarital counseling??
It seem that if a couple needs premarital counseling before getting married, they should think twice about getting married. He's got it backwards.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:32 AM
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7. bingo
Edited on Tue Jun-22-04 09:32 AM by bleedingheart
a friend of mine was in constant counseling with her spouse before they got married...they have had a lot of marital problems and are in a state of constant counseling and different methods of handling their problems.

Their latest effort was to go to a new type of church to help build their marriage with Christ.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:37 AM
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10. how's that working for them?
n/t
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:35 AM
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8. The poor don't know what they're doing, you know.
One of the side benefits of being rich is feeling compelled to give everyone the benefit of your wisdom.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:39 AM
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11. Divorce is up largely because of the attacks on the middle class.
Edited on Tue Jun-22-04 09:40 AM by Cat Atomic
When couples work two jobs apiece just to make ends meet, when the social safety net is threadbare, when your job is sent off to India, it tends to put a strain on family life.

If the assclown wanted to help keep poor families together, he wouldn't have reworked the overtime laws.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:40 AM
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12. Because the rich don't need it.
You see, rich people don't need to be told about the sanctity of marriage. They have life-long marriages full of fidelity and love.

Just look at Neil Bush.

Or J.Lo.

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DCDemo Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:54 AM
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13. There is a link
The poorer states have a much higher rate of divorce than do the richer states. Funnily enough, these poorer states also tend to be Red States, and they get more from the Federal Gov. than they pay in Federal taxes.

So perhaps he's onto something...although the most religious Americans have a much higher divorce rate than the less religious, so maybe it's not as much about poverty as it is following religious instruction - you must be married to have sex for instance.

Just my 2 cents
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