Law professor, husband slain in Mosul

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The dean of law at Mosul University and her husband were found dead Tuesday morning outside their home in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, the U.S.-led coalition said.

Police are investigating the deaths of Layla Abdullah Saeed and her husband, Moneer Yahya Ali Al-Khairo, in the Kuwait neighborhood of southern Mosul.

Saeed was the only woman to hold such a prominent position at the school, the coalition said.

Reuters reported that she had received death threats because of voicing a moderate opinion.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/22/iraq.main/index.html

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1. another intellectual murdered

in bush`s crusade. moderation has no place in bush`s view of the world. he has opened Pandora`s box and he is proud of it. all this in 4 yrs.

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2. I'm sorry,

I missed the part where Bush did it. I don't agree with his policies, don't get me wrong, but the only people to blame for this are the ones who planned and executed the attack.

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3. Wouldn't have happened if Saddam was still in power

Saddam allowed for moderate views in Iraq.

Iraq's universities were considered some of the best in the Arab world.

Now that Bush has removed Saddam, and caused unrest in the country where radicals are running around because of a lack of security, Bush has to take responsibility.

Where's the security Bush promised after Saddam was removed from power?

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4. Woulda been somebody else.

* made a huge mistake, but I'm still glad that Saddam is gone. We keep comparing * to Hitler, but destroy our own case when we can't say the same about this monstrous former dictator.

As for your statement Saddam allowed for moderate views in Iraq. Define moderate. Not if it was criticism of him.

as for Iraq's universities were considered some of the best in the Arab world how many American students went to Iraq to study? How many Iraqis came here?

As for security, well there could be some improvement, that's for sure, but the blame for this horrendous act lies solely with the prepetrators. * has plenty on his plate, but this isn't it.

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5. Everyone is glad Saddam is gone

But it shouldn't have been done with U.S. $$$ and U.S. blood.


"as for Iraq's universities were considered some of the best in the Arab world how many American students went to Iraq to study? How many Iraqis came here?"

Strawman.

Only a very few American students go anywhere outside the U.S. to study.

And for the record, Iraq has more Phd's per capita than the U.S.


"but the blame for this horrendous act lies solely with the prepetrators"

We'll have to agree to disagree.

How many terrorist attacks like this were happening in Iraq before Dumbya's illegal war?

None.

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6. HuH?

Strawman.

Only a very few American students go anywhere outside the U.S. to study.

And for the record, Iraq has more Phd's per capita than the U.S.

Strawman?? So it wouldn't be because the US universities are better, then? It wouldn't be just to get out of Saddam's Iraq? What are the PhD's in?

How many terrorist attacks like this were happening in Iraq before Dumbya's illegal war?

None.

How many raped women, murdered men, hands cut off, beatings with sticks, people thrown off the tops of buildings, geldings (that's castration for you city folk) occurred in Saddam's regime. Versus some very bad behavior by American troops which still does not approach in either qualityor quantity what Saddam did. And which is not under invesitgation not just by US authorities, for whatever that's worth, but by a free and independent press, for whatever that's worth.

Iraq had no terrorist attacks because Saddam was in charge and cranked up the state terrorism (Marsh Arabs, Kurds, Shi'ites, hell even Sunnis). Yeah, I guess we'll have to disagree.

Cheers

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7. Yes, strawman

Look it up if you don't know what it means, and what constitutes one.

You don't suppose the U.S. sanctions against Iraq prevented U.S. students from studying in Iraq, do you? Duh!

According to intelligence sources, Saddam's brutality against his people was grossly overstated. Where's the shredder he was to have used against people? Nothing even remotely resembling one has been found, just like his WMD.

BTW, would you like to explain how Saddam's repression of his people is much different than the new Iraqi government planning on instituting martial law?

Some democracy and freedom we've brought to the country.

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8. What makes you think I don't know

what "strawman" means? It means that you set up an easily knocked down argument that you say I am making, then proceed to knock it down, claiming that you have won a great logical victory. In other words, you lie about what I said, and then prove I was wrong. I could give you a more formal definition, but why bother, you used it, so you know what it is. Sir, you presented the strawman!!

The discussion is NOT about who has the better universities. Duh! the discussion is about whether or not the death of the university professor, and her husband, can justly be laid at *'s door. You claimed (#3) that it wouldn't have happened if Saddam were in power. You claimed that Saddam allowed for moderate views. I'm not even going to dispute this with you. It is a lie. Then, sir, you brought in the fact that Iraq's universities are considered some of the best in the Arab world, thus introducing, yourself, the "strawman". What does the quality of Iraq's universities have to do with whether or not she was murdered? Damn all little that I can see.

So, like a fool, I honestly addressed your strawman argument, and got pulled in. Sorry, I'll try to keep it from happening again. But, saying Iraq's universities are the best in the Arab world is faint praise, indeed. Let's say sanctions kept American students from studying in Iraq. That's a reasonable and factual statement. Let's expand a little bit shall we? How many students from the Arab world are studying in the US vs.how many US students are studying in the Arab world. Something besides Islam, I mean.

Now, * is responsible for those killed by American soldiers, OK, I'll admit it. But no political power can stop armed people from killing each other if that's what they want to do. The only reason it was "stable" under Saddam was his brutal oppression. People in the Mid-east have been killing each other over ethnic and religious differences for thousands of years. A similar non-chaotic state obtained in the Balkans under the wise and gentle (NOT) leadership of Tito. Once the oppressive Communist dictator was gone, well the Balkans have always been a tragic area. But the old hatred resurfaced as soon as they could get away with it. If * ordered the troops to restore order, whatever the cost, would you applaud? Or holler "war crimes", which they would be. Please answer this question. Or he could withdraw all the troops, letting the Iraqis slaughter each other. Still that would probably be best for America.

Maybe we could stop the violence in the inner city, or win the drug wars, or something, if we were willing to apply Saddam's methods here in the United States. I don't want to live under such a regime, and I am surprised that anybody who calls himself progressive can defend Saddam's atrocities or say he allowed "moderate" views.

I don't know what "intelligence sources" you are referring to, but what I have read, and seen tapes of, is pretty horrific. So, I don't care if "only" a 100 thousand, rather than 500 thousand, or whatever the numbers are were tortured, killed, raped, etc. He will still burn in Hell. Shredder? What can you tell me that will make the bodies mythical?

As for democracy and freedom. All we can do is provide the opportunity for the Iraqis. I can't say that I am real impressed with how we are doing it, either. But if they won't fight and work for it, themselves, then there is nothing we can do to force it on them, nor should we. But that is a policy issue. We were discussing whether * is responsible for these 2 murders, and I say he is not, but the prepetrators are.


So, maybe this lady would not have been killed if Saddam were still in power, or at least not just yet. but a number of other somebodies would be. So as much as want to replace *, I am not at all sorry that Saddam is gone, and I hope the execution is broadcast live.

Cheers:shrug:

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9. PS

I would hope the difference is that the new government will impose martial law only temporarily. I would hope that it does not rape women in front of their husbands, fathers, and brothers. I would hope that the new president cannot just order people killed. I would hope that the Kurd, the Shi'ites, the Marsh Arabs, and yes even the Sunnis will soon live in a true civil, multicultural society. I don't have much hope, though. But they do have an opportunity, if they take it, and chimpy doesn't blow it.