I was just was on C-Span and made some folks mad !

[vetwife]

I got through as I have many times but when this republican
kept talking about evil and Saddam using chemicals on his own people I asked him Did we or Did we not use chemicals on our own people in Vietnam..AGENT ORGANGE ! He danced I said ANSWER THE QUESTION !
First I said No way could Bush look into Putin's soul. He isn't God ..After they hung up on me the conressman was still trying to answer the question about Agent Orange. I gave my name and was one of their C-Span winners. But I am tired of hearing about Saddam using chemicals and we look ever so innocent !

[slor]

1. I HEARD YOU....

Good job! You made me cheer!

[vetwife]

2. Thanks.. It had to be said !

[ynot]

62. Thanks

It is pleasing to know that everyone has not mesmerized by the anti-christ.

[molly]

3. I heard you too!

let's have a contest about how many times that nut used the word "EVIL". They all fit into the same mold. What a fucking asshole!

The other thing is that women in Iraq had much better education than in most of the other Arab countries.

[vetwife]

4. If I had said all I wanted..I would still be on there

[LittleApple81]

5. Thanks for asking the question. This guy is slime!!! n/t

[vetwife]

6. I know and not to smart..we need some anti Bush love I thought !

[Skidmore]

7. I heard you too.

The thing I get so sick of hearing is that "these people are evil". By labelling broadly "people" as "evil", it has created a tendency for the general public here to consider all Arabs/Moslems as evil. THese concrete thinkers we have in power now are absolutists who refuse see the shades of gray in the world. That rep. was particularly well indoctrinated.

[vetwife]

8. Wanted to bring up Moon and Bush's hypocracry but lucky I got that in.

[Geo55]

12. You know the "old" saying....

Evil is as Evil does

[Booster]

38. It really bothers me that Bush is using

our military personnel to convert the Muslims to Christianity. He's doing the same thing the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormon, etc. do when they come to your door, only in a violent way, and in our name. This needs to stop. He never misses a chance to say we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here, which is a dare to them in my book. This man has got to be removed from office by any means possible.

[Ganja Ninja]

9. I'm so sick of hearing the tired old crap about Saddam ...

using Chemical Weapons blah blah blah. As if blowing the Iraqi's to smithereens from 20,000 feet in the air is somehow more humane.

[vetwife]

10. When he said well it was a foliage experiment ..Not the issue

Thousands and Thousands have died ..our people by our government over chemicals and you are right , not protecting them with their body armour is that any more humane? they need to be called on all of their propoganda. Saddam was not the only EVIL person in the world ..We got some EVIL here too ! and we dumped chemicals on our own people ..Whatever their reason !

[Ganja Ninja]

13. not to mention using depleted uranium on them.

The hypocrisy is unbelievable coming from people that really down deep couldn't care less about the people of Iraq.

[Kanary]

56. Down deep, they don't care about the USians, either....

not even down just a little deep.

If they *did* care, there wouldn't be 18,000 USians dying every year from lack of medical care, not to mention the thousands that will die in Iraq from this damnable war.

Kanary

[ElaineinIN]

47. my mom tried that this weekend...

Where were we in Rwanda when people were being hacked to death?
Why were the same people supporting this war so against Kosovo, where whole villages were being annihilated?

Its so convenient to develop a conscience now....

[leetrisck]

11. Heard you - great

call!

[vetwife]

66. thanks 1 Glad you heard it !

[Bozita]

14. I heard you too. ... Terrific job!

The man totally tried to put agent orange under the table by describing the chemical's use. He ignored the fact that the stuff was sprayed recklessly, and often, directly on our troops.

You held his feet to the fire. Great call.

[vetwife]

15. I tried to hold his feet to the fire while he dance around the reason why

[vetwife]

16. I have no shame when it comes to our veterans and Republican lies !

[VLC98]

17. Well done Vetwife!

I heard you too. You have a nice voice and stayed calm, which is helpful to our cause. Wish I had the guts to call in, but I don't have enough knowledge on most issues, (not that that stops most republican callers), and I'd be stammering away. Keep up the good work!

[vetwife]

18. Thank you..I went to Washington and sat down with the author

of the Newsletters on Agent Orange. That guy looked stupid ! I try never to ask a question, that I don't have the answer to. He serves on the armed services committee and foliage destruction is not a good answer on Dow Chemical killing our people. Dow got the contract and our men died and so die a lot of Vietnamese. Now only a fool would dump chemicals killing jungles and think it wouldn't hurt man. Dioxin is the most lethal herbicide known to man.

[Bozita]

19. If you Google : VietNam "birth defects" ...

... you get this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=VietNam+%22birth+defects%22&btnG=Google+Search

Results 1 - 10 of about 20,800 for VietNam "birth defects". (0.13 seconds)  

Birth Defects among Vietnam Veterans' Children
... containing vitamins. This finding was an important unexpected benefit of our Vietnam veterans birth defects study. As time went ...
www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t960416a.html - 18k - Jun 21, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Proposed Regulations Agent Orange Birth Defects, Compensation and ...
Benefits for Women Vietnam Veterans' Children With Birth Defects. Public Law 106-419. Under Public Law 106-419, VA identified the ...
www.vba.va.gov/bln/21/Topics/Women/Birth.htm - 11k - Cached - Similar pages

Birth Defects Research for Children
... The National Vietnam Veterans’ Birth Defects/Learning Disabilities Project is a cooperative effort between the Association of Birth Defect Children (ABDC ...
www.birthdefects.org/information/NVVldp.htm - 33k - Cached - Similar pages

Agent Orange effects still being felt 25 years after end of ...
... and his wife thought they had escaped the worst of the Vietnam War when ... piece of the conflict lingers inside them, showing up in the birth defects suffered by ...
www.commondreams.org/headlines/042300-01.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

Birth Defects And Women Who Served In Vietnam
US Veteran Information (non-governmental). Birth Defects And Women Who Served In Vietnam. VETERAN AFFAIRS -- Sept. 1999 The only birth ...
www.tpromo.com/usvi/word8.htm - 4k - Cached - Similar pages


Agent Orange and Birth Defects Brief D1; US Military Veterans ...
... Case-Control Study of Congenital Anomalies and Vietnam Service (Birth Defects Study). ... Many Vietnam veterans have produced children with birth defects. ...
www.tpromo.com/usvi/agent-d1.htm - 15k - Cached - Similar pages
< More results from www.tpromo.com >

Largest Veterans Organization in the World | Veterans | Vietnam ...
... specific to the disability and vocational training, if reasonably feasible, to the biological children of Vietnam veterans born with certain birth defects. ...
www.legion.org/ ?section=veterans&subsection=vt_vietnam&content=vt_vietnam_birthdefects - 27k - Cached - Similar pages

Birth Defects
... 2004; Birth defects of the abdomen Birth defects of the ... Jan 2004; Vietnam Veterans' Children Support Program www.healthinsite.gov.au/topics/Birth_Defects - 72k - Cached - Similar pages

birth defects on Encyclopedia.com
... A US VIETNAM WAR VETERAN MEETS A VIETNAMESE CHILD SUFFERING BIRTH DEFECTS Date: 01/04/1999; Reading Level: 9. Publication: Reuters News Pictures Service; Author ...
www.encyclopedia.com/html/b1/birthd.asp - 48k - Cached - Similar pages

VVAA Media Release - 28 March 1996 - Agent Orange Birth Defects
... The National President of the Vietnam Veterans Association of Australia (VVAA), Mr John ... of a review of the link between Agent Orange and child birth defects. ...
www.vvaa.org.au/media01.htm - 9k - Cached - Similar pages

more, lots more...

[donsu]

52. and it's still hurting and killing people and animals

I heard you and smiled when you said 'answer the question" before you could be shut off.

[vetwife]

60. Don't it make you mad. Just answer the question and then he lied

He said NO..We did not use chemicals on our soldiers Well Yes we did ! I don't care what excuse is given..We did it ! Dow chemcial knows it, the VA knows it and he could have said, yes and it was a mistake instead of saying it saved lives. Duh...in the longrun it cost lives !

[TreeHuggingLiberal]

20. How long did it take you to get through

The last 3 days I have tried to call in for 30 minutes at a time. Today, I finally got through only to be sent to another busy signal...it was driving me mad listening to all the gibberish and lies that Wilson was spewing. Glad you got through...at least one of us got to make him dance.

[vetwife]

21. About 4 minutes but that was unusual..They won't let me thorugh again

anytime soon....They are sorry they picked me as one of their winners. I always thought C-Span was unbiased until Susan interviewed me. Now they know where I stand. Surprised I got on this time. Really..Been trying since March ....

[TreeHuggingLiberal]

22. I'm going to keep trying...

With congressmen like Wilson...we need as many of us trying to get through as possible. Great call...I'll let you know if I ever make it through.

[vetwife]

23. I used to make it through every 30 days but they are on to me but the

best one I made it on was CNN when I zapped Katherine Harris.

[Ripley]

24. That's great Amanda!

I got on CSPAN, the one only time I had the courage to call in. It was right after the Wellstone Memorial Service. Monan Charin (sp?) and some repuke were spouting about how disrespectful a funeral it was...circus like, etc.

Brian Lamb answered and let me get about 3 sentences out, then said something like, we've already gone over this. Yet he let the two wingers continue to call it a FUNERAL and a CIRCUS. He is so biased.

[vetwife]

25. When I won..Susa would not let me say what I really wanted regarding

veterans and I have not been able to get through till today. They also picked and choosed what part of my website they showed when they interviewed me back in March. They are biased but not many folks know it. They are less so than the others but Still...........

[TrustingDog]

49. awesome, vetwife.

if you think they're onto your calls, use another phone and disguise your voice! don't give up. best luck to you.

[nostamj]

26. good for you!

missed it but... brava!

[Hubert Flottz]

27. Did the US ever use WMD on it's own people?

This website is a must see! A great source of info on WMD!

http://www.dugway.net/

Congrats on question on cspan!

[vetwife]

28. well I would say blowing up an atomic bomb at ground 0 in Nevada

was using WMD's on its own people !

[Catherine Vincent]

29. Oh goody! I always listen in the evening at home.

Looking forward to you putting those repukes on the spot!

[GreenPartyVoter]

30. Amazing how Repubs refuse to bear responsibility for

our nation's wrongs.

[lpbk2713]

31. One other point worth mentioning............

The US military experimented with LSD on unsuspecting GI's in the 60's.

[vetwife]

32. And what about the experiments on the African American comunity?

[notadmblnd]

58. The ones they gave syphilis to

and didn't bother to tell them.

[vetwife]

63. Yep..people don't hear about that one !

[vetwife]

33. We got blood on our hands and a little chemical residue too !

Stupid self righteous arrogant Warmongers ! that is what they are !

[wellstone dem]

34. Excellent

good job

[vetwife]

35. I am tired of Fundies running the show...Call !

Symbolman is taking some heat and we all need to Take back the Media..
thanks for the congrats but it is our Country too. I won't let them have it !

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -Theodore Roosevelt

[gulfcoastliberal]

36. How long into the program is your call?

I want to stream it on cspan.org so I can check it out!

[vetwife]

42. I don't know..They goofy guy from South Carolina was on..It was about 8:30

anyone know the time into the stream?

[ieoeja]

37. So why did farmers use it?

If we knew Dioxin was so bad, why were farmers allowed to use it on their farms here in the United States?

[Bozita]

40. Dioxin is formed in the production of herbicides like 2-4-D and ...

... 2,4,5-T. Those were the primary ingredients of Agent Orange.

Farmers have been using herbicides for weed control for years.

http://www.lyghtforce.com/HomeopathyOnline/issue5/articles/ritchie_orange.html

Agent Orange: code name for mixture of 2,4,5-T (2,4,5.-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid; 545.4 Kg/m3) and 2,4-D (2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid; 485.1 kg/m3), altogether weighing 1 285 kg/m3; a herbicide; associated with the (2,4,5-T moiety is the impurity dioxin (2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p- dioxin).

[vetwife]

41. They can't anymore. Dow got sued ! Not the same stuff they sprayed

This is the crust of the whole matter. Dioxin is the shortnened name for it. They sprayed Dioxin to kill the foliage in Vietnam and would drop trees and burn up the greenery. The stuff fell like snow and NOW the VA says if you were even in the country between the sprayings you were resumed exposed. Doesn't mean they do that much but there is a register in Washington for people who were exposed to Agent orange. Now..It has caused somany diseases after the tissues break down and is directly linked to Dioxin. Cancer ....Biggie !
I have worked on this for years with the Veterans Administration and they knew darn well when they sprayed something like that, what effect it would have on the Vietnamese and Veterans. We are not Pure. We used chemicals on our own people and it was past time needing to be said !

[sandnsea]

45. 2, 4, 5 - T

The forest service used it here too. I remember big fights about it the year that I worked for them, 74 - 75. Is anybody following that connection on dioxin?

[Bozita]

50. It was in lawn products like Scott's Plus 2

If it killed weeds in your lawn in the '60s or '70s, it had 2,4,5-T in it.

We used a lawn chemical service two years ago, and both of my dogs died of bladder cancer within 13 months. The dogs were NOT related.

[vetwife]

53. are you serious.? .Another Government lie ! Supposed to e discontinued

Dow and the government was supposed to stop using it ! We need to check into that !

[Bozita]

54. Deadly serious ... take a look!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=cancer+in+dogs+herbicides&btnG=Google+Search

Results 1 - 10 of about 7,160 for cancer in dogs herbicides. (0.19 seconds)  
     

Cancer in Dogs
... More testicular cancer was also found in working dogs from the ... various treatments for these infections (tetracycline was singled out), and herbicides. ...
www.ravenwooddals.tripod.com/cancer.htm - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

Lawn Chemicals Linked to Dog Cancer: Breed Information: Kerry ...
... Association, examines the potential for increased incidence of bladder cancer in dogs exposed to lawns or gardens treated with herbicides and insecticides. ...
www.uskbtc.com/article.php/191 - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

2,4-D and Cancer in Dogs
... control study of canine malignant lymphoma: Positive association with dog owner’s use of 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid herbicides. J. Natl Cancer Inst 83(17 ...
www.24d.org/dogs.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

PET DOGS GET CANCER FROM WEED KILLERS
... 1218-1224. Descriptor terms: 2,4-d; cancer; dogs; inert ingredients; herbicides; pesticides; farming; occupational safety and health; studies;. ...
www.chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/ RATE/PET_DOGS_GET_CANCER_FROM_W.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

MSNBC - Study links lawn chemicals to cancer in dogs
... These dogs are more ... of time in contact with plants treated with herbicides and insecticides ... out whether lawn chemicals were having any effect on cancer frequency ...
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4797699/ - 31k - Cached - Similar pages

OncoLink | The Web's First Cancer Resource
... Herbicides and Lymphoma in Dogs. ... I saw articles linking the 2,4-d herbicide chemical to lymphoma in dogs. ... I feel this may have triggered the cancer. ...
www.oncolink.com/experts/article. cfm?c=3&s=32&ss=86&id=2031 - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

Beyond Pesticides
... Herbicide Exposure May Increase Cancer Risk in ... Terriers "should decrease their dogs' exposure to ... gardens treated with common herbicides, particularly phenoxy ...
www.beyondpesticides.org/NEWS/ daily_news_archive/2004/05_03_04.htm - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

Environmental Research Foundation Home
... 1218-1224. Descriptor terms: 2,4-d; cancer; dogs; inert ingredients; herbicides; pesticides; farming; occupational safety and health; studies;. back to the top. ...
www.rachel.org/bulletin/bulletin.cfm?Issue_ID=884 - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

Chemical Lawncare - Pesticides and Herbacides cause cancer ...
... 5. Herbicides put our four legged friends in danger too. According to a study published in the JOURNAL OF THE NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE dogs whose owners use ...
www.susunweed.com/A_Campaign_for_Organic_Lawns2.htm - 7k - Cached - Similar pages

Pet Columns: Cancer Risks in Cats and Dogs
... from herbicides and pesticides for dogs in rural areas to factory or automobile pollution for urban dogs. The mouth is the fourth most common site of cancer in ...
www.cvm.uiuc.edu/petcolumns/showarticle.cfm?id=136 - 9k - Cached - Similar pages

lots more...

[vetwife]

61. Well the EPD is worthless under this bunch..we still need to kick a fuss

[sandnsea]

44. Big fights at the time

I worked for the forest service in '74. Citizens were already fighting dioxin then, birth defects noted, all kinds of stuff. I don't know how many years people were fighting it, or remember how long it took to get it banned, or how many cancer pockets and other health problems we had as a result.

[MisterP]

70. because the agrochemical industry and their purchased

whitecoats and congresscritters didn't care how many people dropped dead, as long as the profits rolled in. Linda Lear's biography of Rachel Carson and "Trust Us, We're Experts!" provides some insight into this seamy world.

[Carolina]

39. good for you vetwife

Joe Wilson (R-Idiot) is the congresscritter for the district where I live. Note: I can't bear to use the possessive pronoun 'my' when speaking of him. What a dumbass sickening POS. He replaced another evil dumbfuck who died. The fools here in the 2nd District of SC really know how to pick 'em, eh?

Problem is the district and the state are full of congenital repukes. They don't know anything but the GOP and think SC has always been red. I love reminding them that it only went GOP because of antipathy to civil rights and racism. So lot of poor whites continue to vote against their best interests by selecting repukes. And of course, Wilson and his ilk (the whole GOP as far as I'm concerned) appeal to base instincts and stupidity. When will the sheeple realize they are being screwed?:shrug:

Anyway, keep up the good work.

[redqueen]

43. I heard you too

That was great. I tried for over 1/2 hour, but couldn't get through.

He rattled that crap off about how 9/11 had changed us and that bush was fighting terror. I wanted so badly to agree with him, that yes, the country *had* changed since 9/11, and that bush's policies since that time have made our country, and the world, LESS safe. How can these RW morons not realize that bush's tragic invasion of Iraq was a DIVERSION from the war on terror!

Something else he said had me seeing red but don't recall what that was just now.

Congrats to you for getting through... it's tough!

[vetwife]

46. I wish I could ask Bush three questions..I really do !

Trust me they won't ever let me demand accountability from the higher ups but I sure liked how old Katherine Harris got put on the spot and I especially loved Helen Thomas writing to me after I put Katy there !

[SonofMass]

48. You were the most rational caller in weeks.

[vetwife]

51. They sure cut me off though didn't they?

I wanted the man to answer the question rather than giving excuses !
I deal with veterans everyday including my own husband who has been affected by Agent orange. I will keep asking the questions. I will stay on their butts and I won't stop calling anywhere ! They can't hide from all of us !

[vetwife]

55. The clip is 1:18.01 when connected to Washington journal when Wilson is on

http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=WJE&ShowVidNum=6&Rot_Cat_CD=WJ&Rot_HT=206&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=15&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=30

[vetwife]

57. Just remember folks..if I can..You can....

Just put those fingers to work.....

[TexasSissy]

59. Good point. I hadn't linked the two before.

[vetwife]

64. I didn't notice till I heard thelink that he got so confused

He started talking about Terror ..LOL:spank:

[vetwife]

65. It has been a pretty good day slamming this guy

Lets hear it for recognition of veterans. They only got 11 hospitals cut this month ! AAAAAAAAAAAAArgh !

[candy331]

67. My hubby got caught in the agent orange spray, he gets a brochure

his sister somehow got started coming to him on it. I think she registered him with agent orange vets/something but he surely hasn't gotten any compensation for it.

[Bozita]

68. "The meek shall inherit the Earth" ... Six feet of it

I intend no offense, candy331.

It's just a line from a mentor a long time ago.

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. I heard you too!

EXCELLENT call! You sure pissed him off! GREAT call!