Re Jack Ryan: American public is soooo immature about sex

[scrotim]

SEX is the only topic that gets the Murican public as a whole riled up. Everyone gets a vicarious sexual thrill out of talking about, and pontificating about, the sex lives of politicians and celebrities.

Never mind that half of American marriages end in divorce, and god knows how many of the others are fucking around on each other.

But then, perhaps the media is who I should be directing this comment at.

I understand the purpose, from our standpoint, of taking down a Family Values hypocrite like Ryan by whatever means necessary. But in my view, in the end, this will just feed our cultural neuroticism about sex.

Hell, if Jack Ryan and his ex-wife were going to have public sex, I'd want to watch...they're both hot.

P.s. I don't think Abhu Graihb torture scandal would have "legs" if not for the sexual angle of it. People are titillated.

[gWbush is Mabus]

1. judging my your name and the number of times u posted this

i'd say you're obsessed too

[onecitizen]

29. hehehe........

my first thought too!

[scrotim]

52. Oooops. My bad. Actually, I had a computer aneurysm of some sort. n/t

[porphyrian]

2. Your name's scrotim! *GIGGLE* - n/t

[FlemingsGhost]

3. Okay ... scrotum.

I'm guessing that spelling isn't your bag.

Get on the ball, okay?

[wellstone dem]

36. ha ha haa

nt

[fob]

42. Aw nuts! That was too funnnyyyy!

I bet his favorite baseball player is Satchel Paige!

[scrotim]

48. Ummm...my name's Tim. Get it? n/t

[LuminousX]

4. Jack Ryan and his ex-wife were going to have public sex, I'd want to watch

Even if you knew she was being emotionally coerced to do it? For me the story was more about how he lied to his party elders and how what he did is tantamount to abuse.

What occurs between consenting adults sexually doesn't concern me. When a man forces his wife to perform sexual acts she does not want to do... that is wrong. When a politician makes assertions to his party elders that are proven wrong, there is a price to pay.

[tnlefty]

38. The forcing her and then lying to her and taking her to a place she had

stated that she didn't want to be was also the part of this story that bugged me.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

5. the fact that Jack is a bit on the kinky side would make we WANT to vote

..for him. Means hes not your typical 'pubby.

I have my kinky side, too...so.....

[LuminousX]

6. Do you support non-consensual kinkiness?

[sadiesworld]

7. Actually, I think the story may involve a bit more than "just sex".

Didn't he try to get her to do this three times? He takes her to these places and just springs it on her (after she had refused before). Sorry, I thinks it smacks of coercion. And THAT is not OK.

[LuminousX]

8. The indcident they both agreed on

was in Paris where he took her to a club and she broke down crying. He told her, allegedly, that her crying wasn't a turn on.

This guy is a real winner.... Illinois GOP are pissed as they had other better candidates who got railroaded to clear way for this handsome up-and-comer. They were misled about what was in those records.

Jack Ryan is a sleazeball to the highest degree. Not because he likes kinky sex, but because he coerced his wife to do something she didn't and has lied about it. ... allegedly.

[sendero]

40. Well....

... at least the crying wasn't a turnon.

But yeah, I'm about as opposite from prudish as a man can get, assuming this story is correct the guy is a slimeball and a jackass.

[joeybee12]

10. Then she turns around and says he was a good husband and father

Face it, she's an actress, so the probability is very high she's a liar. If it was coercion, it's wrong, and he should go down for it. If she was lying in the deposition to make things more "tantalizing" then what they did is none of anyone's business.

[LuminousX]

11. They have a son, I doubt she wants all this dragged out into public

But I won't speak for her. Let's let the court records speak for themselves.

[joeybee12]

14. I think she claimed he was a good husband and father to help his

campaign.

[kiahzero]

18. Please explain

I'm dying to see your sound argument for the statement:
X is an actress -> X is a liar.

I'm positive it'll be completely valid and not based on bogus premises. :eyes:

[joeybee12]

25. How many actresses do you know?

You don't think they're natural drama queensthat always go for the dramatic? They like to think they embellish. Fact is, a lie is a lie.

I have a real problem with her public statements about him as opposed to what she said in the deposition. They're contradictory. She's lying in one instance--which one is it?

[Cheswick2.0]

30. have you ever been a divorced parent?

I think she is worried about how all of this being made public is going to effect her child. So she made a positive statement about her childs father.
You truly have no clue.

[greatauntoftriplets]

37. You don't think bankers lie?

I know Ryan likes to wax eloquent on how he gave it up to teach in an inner-city school (a private Catholic school, I might add). The career change was a feel-good backdrop for the career he really wants -- politics on the national stage.

He sounds like a control freak.

[kysrsoze]

51. That inner-city teaching thing is nothing but bullshit

Truth is, he donated money to a private prep-school so he could be allowed to teach there (only part-time). He had applied, but was NOT allowed to teach in Chicago public schools because he does not have his teaching credentials and did not test for them. Of course, he didn't have the wherewithal to actually pursue his teaching credentials - too much effort, I guess.

This guy is a lying motherfucker.

[Cheswick2.0]

22. she's an actress so she is a liar?

That's just dumb

[joeybee12]

24. You don't think that actors/actresses are natural born drama queens

So keep your dumb comments to yourself.

[Cheswick2.0]

28. Speaking as someone who made her living as an actor for many years

I can tell you that Actors are some of the most honest people I know. You comment is as dumb as any I have read today.

[Eloriel]

39. Ane sexist too. But what's new, eh?

Gets really old after a while, though. A sleazebag, sex addict like Ryan is believed, but the woman is automatically considered a probable liar.

[Cheswick2.0]

55. yeah, no lack of sexism on the left is there?

Oy, she is an actress and a woman in divorce court, she must be a liar. He is a republican politician who had Obama around with a camera, he is sure to be telling the truth. :eyes:

[arcos]

9. Jack Ryan is NOT hot n/t

[NoBushLite]

12. Distraction

The media coverage of this scandal will make the race into a "Ryan Loses" story. IT SHOULD BE AN "OBAMA WINS" story. He is the future.

[LuminousX]

15. And he was winning BEFORE this story broke... you are right.

Obama is the future of the Democratic Party.

[slutticus]

13. The only thing I wanna know is....

...why the fuck haven't I been invited to one of these sex parties?!?!?!?

[joeybee12]

16. If you can afford airfare to Paris, then you can get an invite!

I think that's where one of them was. Damn French know how to live.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

17. As the Republicans like to say, "It's not about the sex"

It's about being manipulative and exerting an unhealthy level of control over another human being -- that it involves sex is just titillation.

It's also about the lying. Ryan apparently told the leadership of the Illinois Republican Party that there was nothing embarrassing in the divorce papers. That was a lie of jab-dropping magnitude.

I would hope that the Illinois GOP has the good sense to force him off the ticket.

[Wickerman]

19. I could give a rats ass about the sex, what has me riled is his "apology"

in which he mentioned his son a dozen times and how he didn't want to hurt him. Barn door. horse. Close.

Dumbshit

[Bjornsdotter]

54. Using His Son as a Shield

Hi,

Exactly....I don't care about the sexual aspect of it (except to momentarily enjoy watching the Illinois GOP squirm), that's their business.

However, I DO have a problem with Ryan hiding behind his son. His pathetic interview on Chicago Tonight on Tues was mind blowing....he hid behind his son and repeatedly said that his ex-wife says he's a good person and a good father.

Jack needs to grow a pair, stop hiding behind his son and please....oh please don't drop out of the race.....I really like the sound of Senator Obama.

Cheers,
Kim

[Cheswick2.0]

20. wow, way to totally miss the point

SHE DIDN'T WANT TO. Why do people posting here keep missing that part? If I hear one more disgusting statement about wanting to watch or "if I was fucking her, I'd want everyone to know" I am going to be sure that the left (of which I have always been a proud member) is every bit as idiotic and craven as the right.

She was his wife, not some porn star he picked up for the evening. She is the mother of his son. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO. His taking her there and getting angry at her made her CRY. Does that matter at all to you? Or does wanting to see her get laid trump everything else?

[DaveSZ]

21. I know, it's a real pet peave of mine

I couldn't care less about the personal sex lives of Bill Clinton or Jack Ryan.

It's none of my business unless they are strangling hookers or something.

Nonetheless, when it's a GOOPer, it exposes their hypocrisy as the "party of family values."

[sadiesworld]

23. Shhhh....

I think you're interrupting a locker room "moment". :eyes:

[joeybee12]

26. Hey, way to totally miss the point!

IF what she says is true, then he was wrong.

Don't automtically take one person's side over another's.

[Cheswick2.0]

31. I do take her word for it

I think you are confused by your sex club fantasies.

[LuminousX]

32. But isn't that what you have done?

You are automatically taking Jack's side. I for one prefer to err on the side of the victim. She claimed this has happened and since this isn't a criminal case, I will be inclined to believe her, mainly because it isn't an over the top display of emotion. She never claimed he 'whipped her' 'beat her' she didn't mention any specific sex acts, she didn't go into any pandering details. All she mentioned was his coercion and her crying in Paris.

It reads like a marriage where one partner's fantasies took precedent over the reality of what was happening.

[Rich Hunt]

43. he's domineering anyway

His politics suck, and besides that, he agreed when Jeri Ryan's mom complained to the press that he had been too 'controlling'.

This isn't surprising AT ALL.

[Nay]

34. Thank you, Cheswick. Just what I was thinking. Sheesh.

What's the matter with people?

[Cheswick2.0]

35. you are welcome

I am glad to know I am not alone.

[Rich Hunt]

41. Absolutely!!! Wake up, people

This is not about being a prude or being hung up about sex.

What part of respecting people's wishes do you not understand? If the story is true, he made a unilateral decision - that is controlling behavior.

It's disturbing that some people on this site have missed that entirely. Really disturbing.

[scrotim]

49. You're wrong. It's the sex.

If he had allegedly tried to talk his wife into writing a bad check, no one would care.

[scrotim]

50. It's the sex. It's always the sex. If BC had lied about invading Iraq

for no good reason and getting thousands of people killed, and wasting hundreds of billions of dollars, no one would care.

Sex sells in America.

[West Coast Democrat]

27. Too bad Ryan belongs to the party that attacked Clinton....

...the party that likes to think of itself as morally superior.

[hunter]

33. Arnold Schwarzenegger won in California.

Don't forget that.

[Bandit]

44. In case this is something you have never heard

"It is about Character"

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[scrotim]

47. Aren't you...weird?

If I was "banned," how would I be here posting?

Aren't you the guy/woman who was banned from FR yesterday? :crazy:

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[tom_paine]

46. Unfortunately, this is true.

[graham67]

53. To paraphrase....

He hath done wondrous naughty!

It's not just the American public. Everyone loves a dirty, juicy sex scandal.

[Kat45]

56. I must have missed this story. I don't know what you're talking about

Anyone have a link?

[terrya]

58. Jack and Jeri Ryan could have fucked in the street for all I care....

But if there are personal issues that might impact an election that the voters should know about, then it's the candidate's responsibility to disclose it. Barak Obama mentioned very early in the campaign that he was involved in drug use years ago. He disclosed that fact in the press...case closed.

It's when you try to put one over with the voters that you get in trouble.