Democrats File Anti-Nader Suit In Arizona

[Beloved Citizen]

Suit alleges that most signatures on Arizona petition are invalid.

2 issues:

1) 72% of the signatures on these contested petitions are those of people not registered to vote in Arizona.

2) Some of the signature gatherers used by the Nader campaign in AZ were convicted felons, and therefore not eligible to collect signatures.

The felon issue arose in California during the reactionary drive to recall Gray Davis. Most of those carrying the petitions were paid out of staters, some of whom turned out to have criminal records. Wouldn't it be telling if the Nader people were using the same kinds of folks to do their work? This, plus the identity of who is actually paying these people, will come out in court.

The head of the Nader campaign in AZ formerly worked as a fund raiser for the GOP.

Another would be this change of tactics by the Democratic Party. Rather than trying to sweet talk potential Nader voters ala the 2000 debacle, the party has decided to deal with the threat in a more aggressive, and in my opinion appropriate, way. Nader's demagoguery will not permit any form of compromise, even in the face of another 4 years of the criminal Bush regime. Better to just use the courts to take him out of contention now.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5272141/

[eaprez]

1. Is AZ a Battle Ground State?

If its not I don't see much point in this.

[Renew Deal]

3. It is very close.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

4. Yes it is.

Polls over the past couple have months have seen leads for both Kerry and Bush within the margins of error.

[NMDemDist2]

5. it sure is, right now the polls are within the margin of error

and we are energized Dems here and have ACT4Victory here too getting out the vote

woohoo!! who says the Dems don't fight back? :P

[madaboutharry]

7. The last poll I saw had

them 3% points apart with Nader in the mix. Arizona is not a sure bet for the republicans this time and they just elected a democratic governor.

[clydefrand]

9. Doesn't it make Nader

look a bit more dishonest? Maybe it will make the Dems take a look at all the other states where he is on the ballot. I think the fact that his campaign person in AZ is a former GOP "crook" makes it look even more dishonest.

[Renew Deal]

2. That's democracy in action.

:toast:

[freetobegay]

6. I can remember a day not to long ago

All you had to do was go to the polls & vote. What happened?

Convicted felons, not registered to vote, your not from this state.

For once now I am going to say, what ever happened to the good ole days?

[Renew Deal]

8. Felons were never allowed to vote.

And you have to live in the place that you are voting in. I don't think that's new.

[freetobegay]

10. I know they were never allowed to vote.

But you didn't hear about it then like you do now.

[Renew Deal]

12. I agree

These elections are civil war now. It's ugly.

[freetobegay]

15. Yep

It's down to hand to hand combat.

[theboss]

17. Which I'm sure makes people eager to participate

I just don't know how healthy our democracy can stay if every election is settled by a judge at some point along the way.

[theboss]

25. test

Is this thing on?

[GreenInNC]

18. felons

In 17 states, including NC, once a felon has served their sentence, finished parole and paid any restitution due, they can reregister to vote.

[theboss]

11. I dunno....I don't like the idea of "Democrats" suing to keep people off

This makes me extremely uncomfortable.

Basically, it says, "We are terrified of you and your supporters so we will use any means necessary to keep you out of this race. But we believe in Democracy."

[Renew Deal]

13. No, it says follow the law.

You think the democrats would get any favors from the republicans or the naderites (republicans)?

[theboss]

16. No, I don't

But I'm highly sensitive to this sort of pre-election gamesmanship since my mom had to win a state supreme court case to get on a ballot once (for an election she eventually won, I might add).

[Renew Deal]

20. It actually happens far more often that you think.

There is warfare on signatures on the local level. It's a quick way to get the opposition knocked out/distracted.

[sangh0]

26. That's some odd reasoning there. I don't understand it

Your mom used the courts to insure that she was treated fairly according to the law, but if the Dems do the same, you seem to think it's inappropriate.

I understand that lawsuits over electoral issues can have the effect of depressing voter's enthusiasm for the electoral process, but I don't think we can make blanket assumptions about this. IMO, it depends on the circumstances surrounding each and every individual lawsuit.

[I thought so.]

19. It says...

If you can't obey the law,you will get sued.

[Michael Costello]

14. Democrats: The 24% party

The Democrats only got 24% of eligible voters voting for Gore in 2000. Is the Democratic leadership spending money trying to get some of the 49% of eligible voters who don't vote to the voting booth? Of course not, the Democratic leaderships goal is to disenfranchise people. They'd rather spend money trying to remove people from having a choice from voting for the Republicrats as the party vaunts rightward. Choose which multi-millionaire you'd rather have for president this November.

[Frances]

21. I think that the Dems should insist that the Repubs

play by the rules.

It's not a democracy if there is one set of rules for the rich and another set of rules for the not so rich.

[I thought so.]

23. Hello!!

Asshat Nadir is a millionare. Owns Microsoft stock. Right . Some "populist".

[Forkboy]

24. And that has nothing to do with what I posted

but I'm glad to have given you the chance to vent!

[Beloved Citizen]

27. Another Nader double standard

Nader supporters seem to be under the misapprehension that their boy enjoys a Christ-like aura of infallibility. This makes them impervious to mere human reason.

[Forkboy]

22. what a world

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040623/ap_on_el_ge/voter...

By DAVID A. LIEB, Associated Press Writer

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. - A Democratic group crucial to John Kerry (news - web sites)'s presidential campaign has paid felons — some convicted of sex offenses, assault and burglary — to conduct door-to-door voter registration drives in at least three election swing states.