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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:33 PM
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So, Newsweek says Gep might be the VP pick
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Dick Gephardt on Abortion

Overturn the ban on new stem cell research. (Nov 2003)
Voted 7 times against partial birth abortion. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
Voted NO on banning human cloning, including medical research. (Jul 2001)
Voted NO on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)

Dick Gephardt on Budget & Economy

Return to Clinton economic policy from Bush's failed policy. (Sep 2003)
Healthcare reform is critical to economy. (Sep 2003)
I led 1990s boom-I can get economy moving again. (Sep 2003)
Push a bold plan for health care and jobs creation. (Jun 2003)
Repeal the Bush tax cuts and invest in people. (Jun 2003)
1993 tax increase & sound economics caused budget surplus. (May 2003)
Stakeholder economics: Balance for everyone’s benefit. (Jul 1999)
Top 1% have benefited much more than average worker. (Jul 1999)
People are working harder for same wages. (Aug 1995)

Dick Gephardt on Civil Rights

Voted for USA Patriot Act, but it's not balanced now. (Nov 2003)
Democrats need to earn the vote of African-Americans. (Sep 2003)
We're all in it together. (Sep 2003)
Strike a balance between liberty and security. (Jun 2003)
Christian Coalition’s intolerance has no place in politics. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit burning the US flag. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
Constitutional Amendment for equal rights by gender. (Mar 2001)

Dick Gephardt on Corporations

Greed can kill democracy and capitalism. (Sep 2003)
$36B in tax relief for small businesses. (Mar 2000)
Code of conduct for US businesses empowers workers. (Jul 1999)

Dick Gephardt on Crime

Voted NO on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
Voted NO on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes. (Apr 2001)
Require DNA testing for all federal executions. (Mar 2001)

Dick Gephardt on Drugs

Voted YES on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted NO on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)

Dick Gephardt on Education

Republicans don't want to fund special education. (Dec 2003)
Vouchers take needed funds away from public schools. (Nov 2003)
Join Teacher Corps and we'll pay your college loans. (May 2003)
Make first $10,000 of college tax deductible. (Jan 2002)
Mobilize against national security crisis in our schools. (Jan 2001)
Education agenda to improve public schools for 21st century. (Oct 2000)
Address school violence via character ed & counselors. (Oct 2000)
More teachers, more classrooms, more federal funding. (Jul 1999)
More federal help for college; outraged at rising costs. (Jul 1999)
Longer school day and longer school year. (Jul 1999)
Opposes vouchers on equity & civic grounds. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
Voted YES on requiring states to test students. (May 2001)
Voted NO on allowing vouchers in DC schools. (Aug 1998)
Voted NO on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (Nov 1997)
Voted NO on giving federal aid only to schools allowing voluntary prayer. (Mar 1994)

Dick Gephardt on Energy & Oil

Apollo 2: Make US independent of foreign oil. (Sep 2003)
End dangerous addiction to foreign oil. (Jun 2003)
10-year plan to develop hybrid cars then hydrogen fuel cells. (May 2003)
Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted YES on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
Preserve Alaska's ANWR instead of drilling it. (Feb 2001)

Dick Gephardt on Environment

Provide real leadership on critical environmental issues. (Jun 2003)
Base trade on shared environmental values. (Jul 1999)

Dick Gephardt on Families & Children

More funding for Violence Against Women Act. (Sep 2000)
Parental involvement with school & kids solves social woes. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)

Dick Gephardt on Foreign Policy

Bush broke up alliances built over 70 years. (Sep 2003)
Voted NO on keeping Cuba travel ban until political prisoners released. (Jul 2001)
Voted YES on withholding $244M in UN Back Payments until US seat restored. (May 2001)
Voted YES on $156M to IMF for 3rd-world debt reduction. (Jul 2000)
Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)
Voted YES on $15.2 billion for foreign operations. (Nov 1999)

Dick Gephardt on Free Trade

I'm for labor rights and NAFTA supporters are not. (Jan 4)
Walk the walk of labor and environmental standards-by voting. (Jan 4)
Enact international minimum wage through WTO. (Nov 2003)
Against protectionism and for trade treaties. (Nov 2003)
Trade agreements must protect labor & environment. (Oct 2003)
Fair trade saves jobs-globalization with fairness. (Sep 2003)
Progressive trade policy helps every worker in the world. (Sep 2003)
Race to the bottom if we have no trade standards. (Sep 2003)
NAFTA and China PNTR cause a race to the bottom in wages. (May 2003)
Rejected NAFTA: needed more for labor & environment. (Jul 1999)
Gephardt Amendment: results-oriented trade penalties. (Jul 1999)
Fair trade on an equal playing field. (Aug 1995)
Trade will not bring about change in China. (Jul 1999)
China: no positive economic relations with totalitarians. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)

Dick Gephardt on Government Reform

Fact Check: Would ban lobbyist donations, but took $4.4 M. (Jan 4)
Election reform: restore faith in “one person one vote”. (Feb 2001)
Citizen participation solves crisis of faith in democracy. (Jul 1999)
Disturbed by cynical attitude that government is the problem. (Jul 1999)
Limit campaign spending, by Const. amendment if needed. (Jul 1999)
Voting reform: easier registration, weekend voting. (Jul 1999)
Limit campaigns to 8 weeks, with no TV. (Aug 1995)
Voted YES on campaign finance reform banning soft-money contributions. (Feb 2002)
Voted NO on banning soft money donations to national political parties. (Jul 2001)
Voted YES on banning soft money and issue ads. (Sep 1999)

Dick Gephardt on Gun Control

Sensible gun safety legislation & right to possess firearms. (Nov 2003)
Leading Dems distance themselves from divisive gun debate. (Oct 2003)
No additional authority for federal gun agency. (Oct 2003)
NRA opposes gun rules that vast majority support. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)

Dick Gephardt on Health Care

AdWatch: Criticizes Dean for 11-year-old outdated stances. (Jan 16)
Link. (Jan 4)
Fact Check: Dean agreed with Clinton on cuts, not Gingrich. (Jan 4)
Lay aside Bush tax cut to fund healthcare package. (Nov 2003)
Dean sided with Gingrich against Medicare Plan. (Sep 2003)
Tax breaks to all companies to cover all employees. (May 2003)
Subsidize 60% of health costs for all employees. (May 2003)
Sharing health costs reduces overall costs & reduces worries. (May 2003)
Get everybody covered with health insurance. (May 2003)
Bush tax cuts hurt economy; same $ for health helps economy. (May 2003)
$172B over 3 years for state employee health care. (May 2003)
Help corporations give people needed health insurance. (May 2003)
Ensure that all seniors get the care they deserve. (Jan 2001)
More funding for Meaningful Prescription Drug Coverage. (Jun 2000)
Focus on seniors; no blank checks to insurance companies. (Jun 2000)
Federal tax breaks for small business health coverage. (Jul 1999)
Health care reform: no selective insurance. (Aug 1995)
Voted NO on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
Voted NO on capping damages in medical malpractice cases at $250,000. (Mar 2003)
Voted NO on allowing suing HMOs, but under federal rules & limited award. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on Prescription Drug Coverage under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on establishing tax-exempt Medical Savings Accounts. (Oct 1999)

Dick Gephardt on Homeland Security

Address the root causes of terrorism. (Dec 2003)
Voted NO on permitting commercial airline pilots to carry guns. (Jul 2002)
Voted YES on $266 billion Defense Appropriations bill. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999)

Dick Gephardt on Immigration

Immigration service is a mess and needs reform. (Jan 11)
Federal government should help illegal immigrants. (Jan 11)
Legalize all immigrants who've been productive for 5 years. (Sep 2003)
Bush tax plan is a failure-return to Clinton tax plan. (Sep 2003)
Celebrate diversity and welcome hard-working immigrants. (Jan 2002)
Nothing wrong with immigrants, but Americans in jobs better. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)

Dick Gephardt on Infrastructure

Space programs shouldn't be a top priority. (Jan 11)
Using raw census numbers disenfranchises minorities. (Feb 2001)
Fund schools & workplaces to close Digitial Divide. (Oct 2000)
Protect medical privacy via consumer consent. (Aug 2000)
Supports R&D funding for medical and health research. (Jul 1999)
Use gas tax for highway infrastructure. (Aug 1995)
Voted YES on allowing telephone monopolies to offer Internet access. (Feb 2002)

Dick Gephardt on Jobs

Ask the WTO for an international minimum wage. (Jan 11)
AdWatch: claims Bush did worst on jobs-but Reagan did worse. (Dec 2003)
Supports safe genetically modified food. (Nov 2003)
My presidency will have three goals: jobs, jobs, jobs. (Nov 2003)
Fight for unions & working families is in my bones. (Sep 2003)
How many Americans lose their jobs before Bush loses his? (Sep 2003)
Represents hard-working labor union people. (May 2003)
Establish international minimum wage. (May 2003)
Workers need to be paid a living wage. (Jul 1999)
Require companies to invest 1% of payroll in worker training. (Jul 1999)
Employees must “think like owners” to compete globally. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on $167B over 10 years for farm price supports. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on zero-funding OSHA's Ergonomics Rules instead of $4.5B. (Mar 2001)

Dick Gephardt on Principles & Values

Keep "under God" in Pledge of Allegiance. (Nov 2003)
Dems need to beat Bush in Midwestern states. (Nov 2003)
Favorite song: Bruce Springsteen, "Born In The USA.". (Sep 2003)
We're all tied together to make America a better place. (Sep 2003)
We're all tied together in a single garment of destiny. (May 2003)
Not a fresh face, but experienced voice for workers. (May 2003)
Build a bipartisan coalition of the center. (Jan 2001)
Truth about votes will come out, no matter what. (Nov 2000)
No more demands for perfect morality. (Jul 1999)
Politics is a substitute for violence. (Jul 1999)
Foundation of liberalism is community activism. (Jul 1999)
Citizen participation will get us to “an even better place”. (Jul 1999)
Religious affiliation: Baptist. (Nov 2000)
Member of Democratic Leadership Council. (Nov 2000)
New Democrat: "Third Way" instead of left-right debate. (Nov 2000)

Dick Gephardt on Social Security

Don't raise retirement age over 67. (Sep 2003)
Social Security stands between many retirees & poverty. (Jul 1999)
Treat Social Security like insurance; no stock market. (Jul 1999)
Social Security is most successful peacetime program. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on raising 401(k) limits & making pension plans more portable. (May 2001)
Voted NO on reducing tax payments on Social Security benefits. (Jul 2000)
Voted YES on strengthening the Social Security Lockbox. (May 1999)

Dick Gephardt on Tax Reform

Supported Clinton 1993 tax plan, despite it being unpopular. (Sep 2003)
No Bush Lite: get rid of tax cut and get health care done. (May 2003)
Crazy to cut taxes without creating a budget first. (Mar 2001)
$900B tax cut protects other important interests. (Feb 2001)
Bush tax cut plan threatens our prosperity. (Feb 2001)
Targeted tax cuts for middle-class families. (Jan 2001)
Require national referendum to raise federal income tax. (Jul 1999)
10% Tax Plan: end loopholes, lower rates. (Jul 1999)
Remove special interests from tax code. (Aug 1995)
Voted NO on making the Bush tax cuts permanent. (Apr 2002)
Voted NO on $99.5B economic stimulus: capital gains & income tax cuts. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on Tax Cut Package of $958B over 10 years. (May 2001)
Voted NO on eliminating the Estate Tax. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on eliminating the "marriage penalty". (Jul 2000)
Voted NO on repealing the estate tax ("death tax"). (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on $46 billion in tax cuts for small business. (Mar 2000)

Dick Gephardt on War & Peace

Helped initiate Iraqi war resolution because of CIA support. (Jan 4)
Two-state solution for Arab-Israeli conflict. (Nov 2003)
Voted for Iraq war because of intel on WMDs. (Nov 2003)
It is not unpatriotic to criticize the president. (Oct 2003)
Would not negotiate with terrorists. (Oct 2003)
No on $87B for Iraq-until Bush answers some hard questions. (Sep 2003)
Iraq: get allies to reduce $1B per week war cost. (Sep 2003)
Yes on $87B for Iraq, but also for homeland security. (Sep 2003)
We can't cut and run in Iraq - but use UN. (Sep 2003)
We need allies and the UN to rebuild Iraq. (Jun 2003)
Congress should ask questions and find the truth. (Jun 2003)
Pay any price and bear any burden to win war. (Jan 2002)
Congressional authority united country for Kuwait invasion. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
Voted NO on disallowing the invasion of Kosovo. (May 1999)
Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. (Oct 2001)
Solidarity with Israel in its fight against terrorism. (Apr 2002)

Dick Gephardt on Welfare & Poverty

Voted NO on promoting work and marriage among TANF recipients. (Feb 2003)
Voted NO on treating religious organizations equally for tax breaks. (Jul 2001)
Voted YES on responsible fatherhood via faith-based organizations. (Nov 1999)

http://www.issues2002.org/Dick_Gephardt.htm

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Bio information:

http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=H2180103&PHPSESSID=841791f32320071977c9aae29fba5330

http://dickgephardt.house.gov/meet/index.asp

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Iraq: "I supported the resolution because I gained information from the CIA and other former Clinton security officials that Iraq either had weapons or components of weapons of mass destruction. I have been severely critical of President Bush's inability or unwillingness to get more international UN help in Iraq. Getting that help is the only way we can succeed."

Energy: "I'd first have a long-term energy policy in this country that would get us to be independent of Middle Eastern oil in 10 years. I have a program, a bold program I call Apollo 21, that is designed to do that."

Immigration: "I would enforce the immigration laws. That's first. If you've got a law on the books you have got to enforce it. I asked Immigration after 9/11 how many expired visas there were in the country. They couldn't answer the question. This is not a competently run service. It needs to be changed. But I have got another bill that I think makes sense also, I call it "earned legalization." I would say to people that have been here for five years, worked for two years, paid their taxes, not broken laws, you can get into legal status. We have got to get the people who have been here and done the right thing out of the shadows while we enforce our immigration laws."

Gun control: "I have strong beliefs in the need for sensible gun safety legislation. I led the effort in the mid 90s for the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban and I think both bills have helped reduce needless gun violence. Having said that I do support the right to possession of firearms by lawful citizens who are complying with all federal and state laws."

Minimum wage: "I would ask for an increase in the minimum wage here in America as well, to show as example to the rest of the world, but we have got to build consumers in this world, not just producers. We have got to have demand, just not supply. And we're on a way to a world where we're going to have billions of workers making a $1 a day or less. That's not good for anybody."

Gay marriage: "It is time for President Bush to end his alliance with homophobic bigotry once and for all and speak out against the Republican Party's hostile election year attempt to amend the United States Constitution to include a ban on gay marriage."

World trade: "The WTO must begin to recognize better standards for labor, human rights and environmental concerns. When I am president I will ask the WTO to enact an international minimum wage. It will be different in different countries, but we must begin to get international standards for labor and environment."

Pledge of Allegiance: "I favor the retention of the words 'under God.' In the House of Representatives we have the words over the Speakers desk 'In God We Trust.' I think that is an appropriate reference in our Pledge of Allegiance."

Education: "My education program is designed to really help local schools do better. I am for more preschool programs, after school programs, smaller classroom size programs and I have a new idea called teacher core which will be like ROTC for teachers. My belief is that vouchers take needed funds away from public schools and therefore I have opposed them."

http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/campgn04-gephardt.html
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:36 PM
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1. My only question for Gephardt?
Why would you believe George W Bush? He is a lyin' snakeshit hustler. Why were you so naive?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:37 PM
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2. Will that be your only disqualifier?
Hell of a record I just posted.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:40 PM
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3. Definitely a hell of a record
and blown to shit by one stance as far as I'm concerned.

Davis has a hell of a voting record, too, but I'd vote for ANY Republican over that piece of shit because the piece of shit crowned Moon.

Some times, it all comes down to a single issue pushing one over the line.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:40 PM
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4. Mmmm, single-issue voters are the best
They always go to heaven.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:45 PM
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12. When choosing how to vote, you have to weigh all the positions
and it can come down to a single issue as to whether your vote goes one way or the other.

Something to consider when elections are extremely close. Definitely something to consider.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:48 PM
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18. Weighing all the options
Bush: anti-choice

Ham sandwich: pro-choice

Bush: environmental slayer

Ham sandwich: enviromental protector

Bush: Screw alliances

Ham sandwich: welcomes alliances

Bush: Dumb as a stone and surrounded by proto-fascists

Ham sandwich: Smart as hell and surrounded by internationalists

...and what single issue overthrows these?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:52 PM
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25. The fact that I do have other options
than Bush and Ham Sandwich.

Definitely something to consider. Will a Gep Veep throw me to voting for a third party candidate?

I dunno...

:shrug:
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:41 PM
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5. But he has negative Elvis factor
Will he bring in any votes that Kerry wouldn't get anyway?

He did really poorly in the primary and I'm afraid that discouraged me.

Of course, I will vote ABB
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BigJerr Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:49 PM
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20. Gephart.
I have a real issue with Gephart. I was in a local Dean Campaign and my opinion of Gephart really changed.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 09:34 AM
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60. Hi BigJerr!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:41 PM
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6. No. I won't disqualify him but....
... I thought he was a wiser man - in regards to the war . He will probably carry Missouri for Kerry and if things go as before, Missouri could be he clincher. He is strong on labor issues, NAFTA and trade, economy, and other issues that I care about. Plus he is a "safe" choice. No surprises expected.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:43 PM
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9. I thought he voted IN FAVOR of the partial birth abortion ban last
go around.

Is my memory failing me?


Or has the above list been fact checked? I think it would be important to do so before sticking our collective necks out.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:46 PM
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15. Find a link to prove it wrong
I'll beat on the webmaster.
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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:51 PM
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23. A hell of a progressive record...

...and zero personality. What the hell does Gephart bring to the ticket that Kerry doesn't already have? The labor unions? The midwest?(he wasn't much help to Jean Carnahan)

That choice would baffle me almost as much as Leiberman four years ago.

It'll be a big let down, for me.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:42 PM
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7. Personally, I will die of lack of enthusiasm
but it really doesn't matter. Most people don't care and haven't been paying much attention since the primaries.

I do question the merit of chosing a VP who came in 4th in a State he heavily campaigned in and had to win. He just seems like someone who peaked 15 years ago.

That said. I'll be happy to vote for a Kerry/Gephardt ticket.

MzPip
:dem:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:43 PM
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8. Well, in fairness
he came in fourth because he engaged in a death battle with Dean in Iowa and turned off the voters there. I assume he won't run the same kind of campaign strategy as the VP resumptive.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:55 PM
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28. Related Note: Gep Said If He Didn't Win Majority In House
he'd quit and run for President.

What an unbelievablely negative thing to say.

In other words, Gep said he'd try and fail upwards.

I think this says quite a lot about Gep's state of mind.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:24 PM
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42. And this is his reward for doing so.
eom
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:29 PM
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45. Could be
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:31 PM
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46. Oh well
didn't need all of those Dean supporters either, I guess. He'll still get a percentage of them, though...

:shrug:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:32 PM
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48. Are you one who thinks Dean would have been a good VP pick?
If so, how do you overcome the problems associated with a double-barrelled New England ticket? I mean, I live here so I dig it, but here isn't most places.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 11:48 PM
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52. Nope, I'll take any of the names being floated
other than Gephardt or Lieberman.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:43 AM
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57. I think a lot more is put on region that matters
I have never cast a vote for geography. I doubt many really have.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:44 AM
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58. You live in Florida, yes?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:44 PM
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10. Political Science professor who is a member of our local Dems
club said the same thing. I am not thrilled. I keep thinking get Bush out and then try something else. I dunno anymore. Everything my Repub dad taught me about how important our vote is, seems mute now. Even he wouldn't recognize his country now and I know he would have recognized these Repugs for the Nazis they are.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:44 PM
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11. If he picks Gep I may lose faith
Gep would not be a good candidate He's boring as hell.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:46 PM
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13. Boring as hell
And that may be the point. The country is freaked. Totally on edge, angry scared, and George & Co. try to use that. Two mellow, smart alternatives (Kerry + Gep) might be the salve.

We want barn burners. Everyone else really just wants to chill the hell out.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:51 PM
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22. not a barn-burner, but someon inspiring
someone with vigor and a freshness about them - you know who I'm talking about....

Do you think that it's possible the Kerry is trying to not step on anyone's toes by choosing someone who probably won't run in 2012? I've heard that theory advanced before...I don't know. I just never felt much for Gep.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:54 PM
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26. "I just never felt much for Gep."
Honestly, me neither. He never reached my screen...but then again, I'm an east coast douche who isn't all that up on my farm issues, etc. Gep has been, however, a stalwart for the heartland for many years now. I think this would actually be an interesting choice. How can the GOP propagandize against him in the midwest? Those people know him well already.
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AbbeyRoad Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:23 PM
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41. I'm from the "Heartland"
I'm from Southern(not as liberal as upstate)Illinois, and I find Gephardt incredibly boring and uninspiring. Plus, he was weak when we needed strong Democratic leadership.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:28 PM
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44. Would you say that is the general consensus?
Illinois is going for Kery pretty much no matter what, but you're in the right place to answer that question?
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AbbeyRoad Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 11:05 PM
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50. I can't say that it is a general consensus
I can only give my sense of him. I'm probably more well-informed than the average person, so obviously it colors my opinion. I wouldn't feel comfortable generalizing based on my perspective.

Currently I live in a college town that is less conservative politically than the surrounding area. I grew up in the "surrounding area" where I still have relatives, aunts and uncles, who are of the more countrified, Baptist church going every Sunday variety. I know that they have expressed that the candidate they identified with the most was Edwards partly because of the whole "son of a mill worker" element. Also in this part of the state, I think there exists a sort of desire to associate more with a Southern cultural identity.

I was a Clark supporter in the primaries.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:46 PM
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14. No doubt about it, Gep's a good man. Top-notch Democrat.
Thanks, Will.

Kerry/Gephardt? Sure, but I don't see the war ending anytime soon. That's not going to go over well, at all.

Shades of LBJ ...
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:47 PM
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16. It's a one state strategy
Kerry is betting on two things if he picks Gephardt

1. Gephardt will put him over the top in Missouri

2. He will carry every state Gore carried in 2000

Picking Gephardt helps him nowhere outside Missouri with the possible exception of Michigan which I think he would carry either way.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:52 PM
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24. republicans need missouri
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:57 PM
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30. The Problem is
There are a number of states Gore barely won last time that Kerry could very well lose - Oregon, Wisconsin, Iowa, New Mexico, Pennsylvania - where I can't see Gephardt helping him in. It's a risky strategy.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:47 PM
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17. There's the Dork with no eyebrows factor.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:49 PM
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19. Do We HAVE to? n/t
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:50 PM
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21. Hey, if Gephart is chosen
I will vote for Kerry, but I will bet that bush will win
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:54 PM
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27. he voted against Welfare Reform
not sure if that was in the list as i just looked over it quickly. but we know it will be a non dlc pick if he does pick edwards since welfare reform and nafta are two of the dlc's biggest issues.

but i wonder if voting against welfare reform might hurt kerry as he has to appeal to the moderates now and most of them support welfare reform. kerry himself voted for it but i wonder how much of an issue it will be that they voted different on welfare reform, nafta, wto.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 09:56 PM
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29. fuck them all and ABB
know what I mean?
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:00 PM
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31. Labor Secretary...Gephardt
Edited on Wed Jun-23-04 10:01 PM by Crewleader
very good position in Kerry's administration...

Clark, Secretary of State and most likely Edwards for VP...the second choice, just like the voters picked in the primaries. That's my guess...Clark quite comfortable in the role as Secretary of State, though I love him across the debate with Cheney but Edwards will hold his own!



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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:14 PM
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33. That's what I've been salivating over...
Clark vs. Cheney

:evilgrin:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:14 PM
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34. Works for me
That's perfectly acceptable. Total focus on domestic issues? No problem!
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Loki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:12 PM
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32. I'm sorry Will
I'm from Missouri and even with his record, he has very little drawing power outside the state. Even in the labor backed primary in Iowa, he didn't do as well as the other candidates in union households. And if Kerry does choose him and wins, will we be willing to back a Gephardt presidency in 2012? Personally, with Gephardt on the ticket, I don't see a win in November.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:40 AM
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56. Maybe Gephardt is Bill Clinton's recommendation?
That way Hillary can be the next Dem Prez candidate after Kerry no matter what happens.
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DWolper Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:17 PM
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35. self-delete
Edited on Wed Jun-23-04 10:27 PM by DWolper
Sorry misread the post
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:18 PM
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36. When will we actually know who Kerry picks as VP?
I'm getting a little nervous with anticipation. Originally, I was a Howard Dean supporter. And, now I've embraced John Kerry and whomever he picks. (I'm an ABB).

Is it going to be Gephardt, Clark, or Edwards?

I'll vote for the ticket regardless of who else is on it...but, I may have to hold my nose when I mark my ballot.

:-(
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:19 PM
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37. Great record BUT
1)He couldn't even retain his leadership position among House Democrats!!

2)He did poorly in the primaries!!

3)He was far too cozy with Bush on Iraq (recall the supportive Rose Garden photo-op which went WAY beyond a 'yes' vote on IWR)) and Iraq may boil down to THE issue come November!!!

4)He has no charisma (zip, nada, zilch) and Kerry needs help there because sadly big segments of the electorate don't vote for record, they vote for personality. Kerry-Gephardt ... snoozers :boring:

5)If record mattered, GWB would never have gotten 50,000,000+ votes in 2000. And both Geps' and Kerry's records will be spun negatively by the wingnut press.

6)A Kerry-Gephardt ticket represents TOO much Washington insiderism and the inside-the-beltway punditocracy will cast it as such.


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Oddman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:20 PM
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38. I love Gephardt but can he
Edited on Wed Jun-23-04 10:21 PM by Oddman
get down and do the funky chicken?

Can he excite the voter?

I think Edwards, while too centrist for my tastes, will be a better choice for Kerry.


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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:21 PM
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39. Just the facts ma'am
Good post Will

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:22 PM
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40. Nader made a decent VP choice this week
much better than Gephardt. Gephardt did a lot for Unions 10 years ago, but where has he been lately? Gephardt will excite me enough to give Nader another look this year.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:27 PM
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43. Selection of Gephardt, to me suggests...
that Nader did secretly agree to drop out at the last moment...pulling the rug out from underneath Bush*. Just a guess. If so, hopefully he won't stab Kerry in the back. :scared:
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:31 PM
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47. Anyone but Gephardt
I agree with this article from CBS news:

The choice of Gephardt would reinforce every negative stereotype about Kerry in current circulation while muddying the picture of what he actually stands for. Put Gephardt on the ticket and suddenly, instead of an experienced moderate leader with a progressive bent, you have a pair that can be caricatured as two aging, pro-tax creatures of Washington...

Gephardt didn't just lose the Democratic primary. He was trounced. In Iowa, he came in fourth in a state he had won 16 years earlier and in which he'd maintained a polling lead or strong second for most of the year.

Under his leadership, the Democrats lost the House of Representatives in 1994, and then failed to regain it in four successive elections. Undeterred by party losses in 1996, 1998, and 2000, he took them to defeat again in 2002 -- the first mid-term election in which a first-term president's party gained seats since 1934 -- and then left his leadership post to run in the 2004 presidential primary, which he once again, inevitably, lost.

Here's more:

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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 10:57 PM
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49. This choice would tell me more about Kerry...
then I really care to know. It would tell me he has no true vision.

It would be a totally uninspired choice. I'm sorry, but Gephardt has a track record as a loser on the national stage.

At some point, Kerry must offer us something other than "I am not George W. Bush".

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 11:11 PM
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51. Yupster! And perhaps if he had taken a stand against the Afghan and
Iraq invasions and the passing of the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act, we would not be in the peril we are now in. Instead, he booosted the effort. Impressive!
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 11:56 PM
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53. Not a huge thrill.. BUT.. he speaks really, really well..
I met him around 6 years ago. He spoke at a small event I worked on for a congressional candidate. Honestly? I really, really liked him. He spoke with such fire and passion. He was incredibly nice and humble.. AND.. this sounds funny, he treated me with total respect. As a woman, it was really refreshing to be treated so nicely.. and non-sexually by a man in power.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:05 AM
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54. I'm willing to listen to all arguments about Gephardt
Up until recently, I have been against ANYONE who voted for the "Patriot Act" and for war.

I will try to keep an open mind, even though there are some other issues with which I take umbrage.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:23 AM
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55. Gephardt = the DLC's anti-Dean kamikaze (nt)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 12:57 AM
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59. Well....don't think it's a choice that's going to enthuse the unenthused.
Not much else, to say about it, one way or the other. ho..hum..is about what it is. If being "dull" is The Strategy, then Gep is the best pick. He won't outshine Kerry, but being a "sneaky" type I hope he doesn't stab him in the back. Perhaps his knowledge of the House would help Kerry. Sort of a Senate/House Team of Experience.

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61. .
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