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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 05:34 AM
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GW Bush is required to fire Rumsfailed!
Rumsfailed has admitted to a violation of the Geneva convention. He must be fired and Asscrack must indict him for crimes. CIA Dir. Tenent must also be indicted because he ordered an action that violates the Geneva Convention and most likely other laws.

All the people that approved &/or ordered &/or participatated in "abuse"/Torture must be fired &/or Court Martialed immediately. The Pres. claims that he ordered no torture, therefore any person that is accountable must be brought up on charges for disobeying the Pres. The civiilans must be indicted and the Military personnel must be Court Martialed.

Those who approved of Secret Prisons must be brought up on charges, as well.


What is a war crime?
By Tarik Kafala
BBC News Online


Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention defines war crimes as: "Willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including... willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile power, or willfully depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial, ...taking of hostages and extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly."


This, international lawyers say, is the basic definition of war crimes.

The statutes of The Hague tribunal say the court has the right to try suspects alleged to have violated the laws or customs of war in the former Yugoslavia since 1992. Examples of such violations are given in article 3:

* Wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity
* Attack, or bombardment, by whatever means, of undefended towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings
* Seizure of, destruction or willful damage done to institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, historic monuments and works of art and science
* Plunder of public or private property.

The tribunal defines crime against humanity as crimes committed in armed conflict but directed against a civilian population. Again a list of examples is given in article 5:

* Murder
* Extermination
* Enslavement
* Deportation
* Imprisonment
* Torture
* Rape
* Persecutions on political, racial and religious grounds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1420133.stm
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 05:41 AM
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1. RumsFAILED? That's perfect & hilarious! n/t
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 05:42 AM
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2. Anyone written the WH on this?
I'd like to see their response. Bet it's something like the response I get to my letters to my Repuke Conman-"Thank you for your letter. I appreciate you letting me know your views. However, my views are different...." meaning "I'm in power, and forget about you, the rest of the nation, and the Constitution."
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 05:51 AM
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3. A Military that investigates itself
War Crimes Investigation is left to the Military, who are carrying out the War Crimes. Why not allow that Mafia to investigate itself, as well?

Republicans block the Senate from reading documents of torture.

Amerika is a Right Wing Dictatorship!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 06:07 AM
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4. An Imperial Pres.
Bush's Mistaken View of U.S. Democracy
by Robert O. Keohane and AnneMarie Slaughter

"President George W. Bush's efforts to build democracy in Iraq are underpinned by a misguided view of America's own democracy. He believes that American democracy works because Americans are innately good people, believing in values of tolerance and respect for others and guided by religious faith. In his view, Americans don't need checks and balances so much as reminders of basic American values and America's overriding moral mission to bring freedom to the world. Similarly, abuses of power, as at Abu Ghraib prison and beyond, do not represent the failure of the system, but rather the deviant behavior of a few bad people.

The "auxiliary precautions" decided upon were America's system of checks and balances, by which Congress, the president and the courts each check each other, as do the states and the federal government, to ensure that the power of the government is both limited and controlled. These are not simply theoretical differences about the core of American democracy. They have profound implications for how we think about and control the role of the United States in the world.

If, in the president's view, the goodness of Americans and the nobility of our mission are self-evident, then the failure of peoples around the world to see the struggle in Iraq the same way we do means that they are "enemies of freedom." Fighters opposing American power, even if they are residents of occupied countries, do not merit the protections of international law. Institutional restraints on the exercise of power by Americans in detention centers and prisons can, in this view, safely be relaxed. Moreover, constitutional protections can be denied even to American citizens, arrested in the United States, when they are suspected of being "enemy combatants."

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0623-08.htm

*This Pres. stated that he believes that he has the power to do whatever he feels like doing during war time. This notion must be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court. America was founded on the notion that this Nation shall have no Kings in charge.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 06:09 AM
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5. You really don't understand this administration.
They APPOINTED convicted criminals to positions in their administration. They did this openly. They are not going to fire one of their own over violations of the Geneva conventions. More likely they'll give them a medal or something.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 06:34 AM
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6. Oh, I understand.
Unfortunately, too well! Pointdextor comes to mind. I am sure there are others.

I am not real hopeful that the BushCo Crime Org. can be gotten rid of.
This Cabal is financed by many Mulit-Corps and Diebold is a Right Wing Corp., as well. Unless someone or a group of the rank and file of the Pentagon or CIA provides documentation of proof of their crimes, these scum won't be easy to get out of power. V. Plame could succeed but will it come through? Will culpabilty in the System Wide Torture be revealed? I am not hopeful about an election.
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