The Iraq resistance SPEAKS!

[whosinpower]

www.atimes.com

'The liberation of Baghdad is not far away' under this link -

snip - "The Americans have prepared the war, we have prepared the post-war. And the transfer of power on June 30 will not change anything regarding our objectives. This new provisional government appointed by the Americans has no legitimacy in our eyes. They are nothing but puppets."

snip - The objective was "to liberate Iraq and expel the coalition. To recover our sovereignty and install a secular democracy, but not the one imposed by the Americans. Iraq has always been a progressive country, we don't want to go back to the past, we want to move forward. We have very competent people," say the three tacticians. There will be of course no names as well as no precise numbers concerning the clandestine network. "We have sufficient numbers, one thing we don't lack is volunteers."

snip - They are also responsible for the kidnapping of foreigners. "We are aware that the kidnapping of foreign nationals blemishes our image, but try to understand the situation. We are forced to control the identity of people circulating in our territory. If we have proof that they are humanitarians or journalists we release them. If they are spies, mercenaries or collaborators we execute them. On this matter, let's be clear, we are not responsible for the death of Nick Berg, the American who was beheaded."


much much more at above link. Interesting read......timely release considering the ramping up of coordinated violence across Iraq today......

[opihimoimoi]

1. Bush reaps what he sows.... Hate and Anger. So much for his

leadership based on ineptness and selfishness.

[porphyrian]

11. But we're reaping what he sows, too...

...and that just ain't acceptable.

[geek tragedy]

2. Fascinating article

It's hard to say how much is true, but we've known that this resistance seemed too well-organized to be sporadic.

<snip>Before any discussions, we don't want any doubts on your part about our identities," they say, while extracting some papers from inside a dusty plastic bag: identity cards, military IDs and several photos showing them in uniform beside Saddam Hussein. They are two generals and a colonel of the disbanded Iraqi army, now on the run for many months, chased by the coalition's intelligence services.
<snip>

I'm a little suspicious of this--I'm not sure they'd want to call attention to the fact that they're Baathist--it could lead people to assume that they're seeking to restore the old regime. Though they did say:

<snip>
The objective was "to liberate Iraq and expel the coalition. To recover our sovereignty and install a secular democracy, but not the one imposed by the Americans. Iraq has always been a progressive country, we don't want to go back to the past, we want to move forward.
<snip>

This is probably the scoop of the year, worldwide if true.

[whosinpower]

5. What I find particularily interesting

I just now read another article regarding the sudden increase of coordinated attacks across Iraq - the US is consistantly blaming the terrorist Al Zarqawi....for the rise in insurgency and painting an ugly picture of what Iraq would become should the US fail.

But what I find particularily interesting with this article is the broad picture of LIBERATION OF IRAQ against the occupation forces. And the desired goal of having a free SECULAR DEMOCRACY.

Hmmmmmmm - the Bush administration would be hard pressed to explain why they are fighting these guys - other than the US would lose control of Iraq fundamentally if a puppet government was not installed........

I think another interesting snip in the article is the statement of how unified Iraq is towards expelling the occupation. This is nothing new historically for the people of Iraq. They have been invaded countless times, and countless times they expell the occupation forces via organized insurgency.

[sangh0]

6. Then you want to read last Sunday's (6/21) NY Times Magazine section

There was an article about the Falluja Brigade, the Baathists that are now policing Falluja. The article tells a story about payday in Falluja. Two Marines observe the payments, and are surprised at how well-organized they are. They have payroll rosters, disbursement officers, etc....

[geek tragedy]

7. Remember, these are Saddam's generals

Hitler had officers like Rommel serving under him, but he also had war criminals as well. Are these guys Rommel or Chemical Ali? Impossible to tell at this point. It certainly wouldn't serve their interest to proclaim loyalty to Saddam.

The US is toast here, any way one puts it though.

[David__77]

9. A progressive, secular democracy is exactly what Iraq needs.

...and independence and freedom from foreign occupation.

[Frangible]

3. A war without end

Iraq is going to be ugly for a VERY long time. Such is the legacy of Bush and his cronies.

[geek tragedy]

8. Actually, if these guys are for real

a quick and humiliating exit for the US may be the best thing to happen to both the Iraqis and the US. We have no interest being over there, and if secular, rational democratic individuals both drive the US out and replace the US, that's a pretty good outcome.

[whosinpower]

10. I really don't think that is what GWB has in mind

A real secular free democracy in Iraq.....he says that is the goal, but I simply do not believe him. Excuse my skepticism but there has been far too much "privatizing" going on via Bremer - and far too many executive decrees that are not negotiable after whatever governmnent is "elected."

No, I am afraid the only way a free secular real democracy would be likely to exist and flourish would be if they (the Iraqi's) fought for it. Then again - maybe George is smarter than I give him credit for....and he recognizes that this is the only way for democracy to have legitimacy - is for the people to fight for it againt a foreign occupation. Maybe he is a better chess player than I thought.........

[Nadienne]

12. Don't give him too much credit.

I highly doubt he would want freedom for Iraqis. Especially when his administration has been using the war on terra to attack our freedoms.

[geek tragedy]

13. What's clear

is that Bush placed a higher premium on making Iraq friendly for foreign investment than on making it democratic (Garner vs. Bremer). That kinda backfired.

The Israelis probably figured this out six months ago, when they told Bush that his only choice was to figure out how big his humiliation was going to be.

[arcane1]

4. same damned thing I would do if the U.S. were invaded

even if they came to expel the Bush regime, I would fight the foreign invaders and their shock and awe to my last breath

as any patriot would