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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:23 PM
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Not smart, Georgie.
Edited on Thu Jun-24-04 10:44 PM by rocknation
From Georgie's latest campaign ad The Coalition Of The Wild-Eyed:



If he's angry about being compared to Hitler, why in the world did they include this scene? And why include the quote that God, rather than Congress, sanctioned his war on terror?

:headbang:
rocknation

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Leprechan29 Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:25 PM
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1. ...
Edited on Thu Jun-24-04 10:28 PM by Leprechan29
edit: was asking for link - found it on bush reelection website. quite funny actually - and yes, why did they include that?
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DustMolecule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:27 PM
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2. You can watch it here
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Leprechan29 Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:29 PM
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3. found
found it, but thank you regardless
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:30 PM
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4. Steady leadership? What is he smokin'?
Oh yeah, right.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:34 PM
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5. It's almost like they're parodying themselves....
Why?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:41 PM
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11. Maybe it's their idea of pre-emptive strike.
The liberals don't DARE compare him to Hitler now, right? At least, they couldn't if it weren't for that scene. Maybe if I watch Take Back The Media's Bush Is Not A Nazi, I can make sense of it.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:35 PM
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6. Mmm,mmm,mmm
They seem to be going off the deep end in a major way.:crazy:
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:42 PM
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12. It's like Mr. Toad's Wild Ride...all of a sudden.
...or is it all of 'the' sudden...?


I can never keep that straight.

Anyway, they are the high diving horsemen of the Bush Apocalypse.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:39 PM
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7. That is from one of the MoveOn submitted ads
The one that caused all the controversy. It is in the latest Bush ad as an example of "liberal extremism." So, it is not in the Bush ad as direct discourse, but indirect discourse (here's how the liberals behave).
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:44 PM
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15. Ohhhh. I see.
But I never saw the submission to Moveon, so I didn't make the connection. I wonder if they are going to show this other than on the website. I think lots of people will need an explaination like I did.
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gbwarming Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:47 PM
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16. I hope they run it a lot -
Edited on Thu Jun-24-04 10:49 PM by gbwarming
They're paying for an attack ad against themselves. It just doesn't seem like a good strategy to bring up torture prisons, fictitious reasons for war, etc.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:22 AM
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29. My initial reaction was to wonder why a Kerry ad was on Bush's site
especially when I saw the MoveOn logo. But I agree with Gbwarming that's it's a self-inflicted attack ad. And I'd also like to quote a poster on the Randi Rhodes message board poster who wrote that it was the best pro-Kerry ad he or she had seen so far!

:headbang:
rocknation
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:23 AM
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30. My initial reaction was to wonder why a Kerry ad was on Bush's site
especially when I saw the MoveOn logo. But I agree with Gbwarming that's it's a self-inflicted attack ad. I also agree with a poster on the Randi Rhodes message board who wrote that it was the best pro-Kerry ad he or she had seen so far!

:headbang:
rocknation
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:25 AM
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31. My initial reaction was to wonder what a Kerry ad was doing on Bush's site
especially when I saw the MoveOn logo. I agree with Gbwarming that's it's a self-inflicted attack ad. And I agree with a poster on the Randi Rhodes message board who said it was the best pro-Kerry ad he or she had seen so far!

:headbang:
rocknation
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 04:56 PM
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33. No, they do more than that. They intersperse ...

clips of Democratic candidates with "Seig Heil" audio and footage of Hitler.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:41 PM
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8. wow, that seems like a horrible commercial for bush
are they that stupid or do they just believe we are?
showing people who are pissed off about his polices and then throwing corny george up to tell eveyone it's gonna be ok, seems like it is a few lines away from being a parody. strange.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:41 PM
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9. It's not just the scene ...
it's the picture they used in the scene. Bush has his arm raised like the Nazi salute! What were they thinking??? :crazy: :shrug:
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:42 PM
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13. That's the MoveOn submitted ad that caused all the controversy
It is being CITED in the Bush ad to show "liberal extremism."
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:54 PM
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18. Oh, I see ...
Edited on Thu Jun-24-04 11:08 PM by BattyDem
I didn't realize that. But still, while watching the ad I wanted to put myself in the place of an undecided voter. I was trying determine what the average moderate, "swing" voter would think while watching it?

I'm not in marketing so I can't predict how other people will react, but honestly, seeing that picture with the "God told me to do it" quote on top of it really gave me the creeps. :scared: Besides, I saw the MoveOn ad and I didn't realize it was the same clip ... so would the average person know that? I mean, the DUers and the Freepers all knew about it, but did the average American ever see it or even hear about it? :shrug:

On edit: I just watched it again and yes, I did see the "Sponsored by MoveOn.org" frame earlier, but I didn't make the connection. Duh! I guess I was just too busy trying to figure out why they would do an ad that makes everyone look good except Bush!

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 11:54 PM
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24. Maybe they are trying to
recruit the neo-Nazis?
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:41 PM
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10. I don't get it
Edited on Thu Jun-24-04 10:45 PM by LizW
The rest of the ad is outrageous, but at least the message is one I recognize from the 'Pukes repertoire: if you speak out against Bush*, you must be insane, wild-eyed, wackadoo, yadda, yadda, yadda.

But this scene -- wtf???

It's bad enough that they have Hitler morphing into Bush* in the same Nazi salute pose, but to superimpose that freaky quote over Hitler's picture, as if he was saying it? All you have to do is substitute the words "the Jews" for "al-Qaida" and the word "homosexuals" for "Saddam."

It freaks me out. Why would they do this, if not to appeal to the base? And if this does in fact appeal to the base, then god help us.

:scared:

Edited to say, Ah, now I get it thanks to your explainations. Thanks.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:43 PM
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14. I just wonder...
... since they are showing these clips as the average Kerry supporter. And, they used a clip from an ad that was never aired, if we could do the same with their supporters. I'm sure we could find clips of various KKK and insane religious fanatics saying horrible things in support of Bush.

That would be great: George Bush - Supported by racists and zealots.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:48 PM
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17. Racists and zealots?
Edited on Thu Jun-24-04 10:48 PM by rocknation
As in, "If Strom Thurmond had been elected President, we wouldn't be having all these problems?"

:headbang:
rocknation
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donhakman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:57 PM
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20. The similarities between this regime and Hitler are now so striking
that they have to address the issue by claiming that it is the Democrats that are the wild eyed Nazis.

Look and you will see, every right wing attack is in the form of accusing the other side of the crimes in which they themselves are guilty of committing.

The advantages for doing this are: putting the other side on the defensive and creating the first impression of guily on Democrats every time the issue is ever mentioned from then on.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 11:38 PM
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22. that has been my observation too and I wondered about that
everything they accuse others of ...they are doing....

but I knew a woman once who did that to everyone....they believe her and never saw that she was all those things and not the others..
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:56 PM
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19. Hey! We could run ads featuring this guy...
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 11:06 PM
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21. OH MY FUCKING GOD! DO THESE PEOPLE HAVE ANY CLUE?
They're running a campaign ad AGAINST themselves!

What the hell are they thinking!

I agree with EVERY sentiment expressed in there.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 01:13 AM
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28. Mind boggling!
Way to heat up the base! (Not the one they meant to, though! )
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 11:48 PM
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23. I think it's brilliant. I hope they play it 45 times a day.
:bounce: Go Bush! Oh, I meant, "Heil, Bush!"
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:00 AM
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25. I just saw it
If it makes Americans vote for Bu$h, then we are in deep shit.
It is a rather mindless ad.
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drthais Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:06 AM
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26. thanks for the link
how abhorrent
I sent them a nice little message
i do nt care if they know who I am
I am not scared
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 01:11 AM
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27. Wow! Free advertisment for kicking Bush's boily ass back to Crawford!
That is the most ill-advised "attack" ad I've ever seen! I hope they run it every hour every day until the election!
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 10:43 AM
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32. wow . . . speechless
without knowing the context, this could be a kerry ad.

first thing that came to mind was the old canard about not believing one's own press releases.

and this pessimism meme? do they think we are retards? it's almost a non-sequitir and they want to make this a sales point of their crusade, er, i mean campaign?

didn't bushy practically talk us into a recession during the 2000 presidential election cycle, even though the economy was still pretty decent?

some serious disconnect going on in the bushy camp
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cmf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 05:06 PM
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34. They're morons
It's from an ad that was submitted to MoveOn.org. The problem is that most people never saw that ad. So it totally looks like Bush is comparing himself to Hitler. This ad will probably go down in history as the most ineffective political ad ever.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 05:06 PM
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35. This is so awesome!
I can't get enough of this ad. I'm ROFLMAO!

Kerry: "Today George Bush will lay off your camel, tax your shovel, kick your ass , and tell you there is no promised land."

and shrub shows himself compared to der fuerer! He really shot himself in the foot with this ad.

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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 05:09 PM
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36. Does anyone have a way I can save this for later?
because Rove will realize he's an idiot and pull this ad very soon.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 05:33 PM
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37. Stunning. Its as if they WANT to lose.
"i'm george bush, and i approved this ad that proves i'm a dumb ass & shoots me in the foot."

show it a million times, GOP. Please.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 05:50 PM
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38. Hold on guys, it's not a campaign ad
Edited on Fri Jun-25-04 05:51 PM by Independent429
They are not running it on TV or anything. Nobody is that stupid. It is for the (supposedly) 6 million supporters that go to that website.

6 million....Where have I heard that number before?



http://www.georgewbush.com/Default.aspx
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=5509167


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