Robert Duval pissed off at Canada

[Swede]

While he was up here making a movie someone informed him that he could not use deadly force while protecting property. Apparently Canadians value human life over stereos. What's next? Gay marriage. Legal pot smoking. Them dirty rat fuck commie bastards.

[DarkPhenyx]

1. How does one get pissed off...

...at an entire country? This doesn't even begin to remotely make sense.

[glarius]

23. Duval has said anti-Canadian things before....He seems to be a hard-nosed

right wing type to me, when I've seen him on Leno or Letterman...He made the ridiculous statement that American actors are better actors than Canadian actors...As if the place of birth determines their talent...Perhaps he lost a part to a Candian and it's bugging him...

[CanuckAmok]

33. Tupical of a RWer...

Maybe he hates Canada, but he'll travel up here to shoot if there's a bck to be made.

Way to stand on your principles, Santini!

[Kamika]

2. lol id be pissed off too

Thats a stupid law. If someone is prepared to hurt you or steal somethin he should be prepared for what he might get in return.

Thats one of the things i never was able to figure out why the socialist countries deprive their people of basic rights to protect their homes

[leesa]

4. Idon't think they are deprived, I think they have not fallen for the

propaganda of 'Buy Arms and be afraid at all times please', 'Buy expensive security systems and be afraid at all times please', crap that our country fell for. Now we have the most paranoid, aggressive, dangerous mentality in the developed world. Canada's definitely on the right track.

[Kamika]

7. what propaganda??

Thiefes and murderers are the same in every country..

Just we have the option to actually defend ourselfes

[StandWatie]

10. unless you live in Texas you don't

there is only one state in the union that allows you to use lethal force to defend property and that leads to interesting things like the ability to legally shoot the repo man on sight.

[never cry wolf]

13. and for every case

where a gun has actually prevented a crime there are 10 accidental shootings and hundreds of crimes committed with the use of guns.

[caribmon]

18. I am sorry but...

Texas flags and typos don't make us Canadians feel any more respect to your opinion.

So before you go on a tirade of anti-Canadianism over Robert Duvall's security fears in Canada, let's look at a few things.

Generally guns are, and should be, used for killing wildlife like deer, moose and elk in a sustainable fashion to fill up the freezer for the winter. Not for trophies, nor for shooting people who are in your front yard.

At least that's what guns are for in Canada. Some DU'ers may not agree with me on that, but that is a reality for a lot of my family who live in central BC. There are no horns on the wall, its food. Simple enough... and apologies to the vegetarians.

We have 30 million people in a country larger than the US and can live very comfortably in a sustainable environment… If we can keep the multinationals from raping our resources that is.

For the rest of it, we don't have an hysterical NRA lobbyist segment in Ottawa, nor do we have an enormous weapons industry that is crucial to our economy. So why should we create fear to fuel an industry?

If Duval doesn't like it he can leave, it's simple. We aren't going to change our lifestyle and culture for an actor. We have decriminalized pot, made gay marriages legal, and spend less on our military and more on healthcare than you do... so shoot us, take us over, bitch about our 'lack of security', buff up your guns and go home to Texas or wherever if you don't like it. Simple... it's like changing the channel.

Click.

We have already taken Hollywood by storm because of our highly talented film industry (much thanks to the government funded National Film Board of Canada which has consistently given more projects to visual artists than any country on earth on a percentile level).

I say that with tongue in cheek, because what righties have been screaming about in Canada for years (the NFB) has now turned out to be one of the largest industries in Canada, our film industry, which has decisively taken huge market share from the south for many good reasons. Including talented cheap labour, less stringent legal loopholes on shoots, a broad talent pool of actors and comedians and more.

Duvall can join the Ted Nugent School of Knocks as far as I am concerned. I totally lost all respect for him at this point. And for that Texan Freeper-cum-democrat or reversed; who actually has the audacity to post shit like this.

[Darth_Kitten]

29. Uh, I'll trust the legal system.....

over vigilante justice anyday.

As for acts committed in self defence, why isn't battered women's defence as successful in the US as it is in Canada?
Options to defend ourselves, yes, I think we do have them......

[never cry wolf]

9. it's not socialist countries

try great briton, japan, france, germany practically every damn developed country in the world. our gun laws more closely approximate a third world country.

[Kamika]

11. I think they are just fine

Our gun laws are great as they are. Maybe its those countries that should develop alittle and face facts

[never cry wolf]

15. here's the count

"Every year, approximately 14,000 people die as a result of handgun use in the United States. In other nations with stricter handgun laws, rates are much lower. Last year, Australia had 13 handgun deaths, the United Kingdom had three, Sweden had 36, Japan had 60, Switzerland had 97, and our neighbor to the north, Canada, had 128. Rates in the United States were as much as 1,000 times higher."

you tell me who's more "developed".

[Kamika]

17. well whats the %

those countries has alot fewer people then we do

[MiltonLeBerle]

19. Try reading a little closer-

Although a link might have been appreciated, the last line says that rates in the U.S. are 1,000 times higher- I assume that that has to do with "per capita" rates, and would be about percentages, not raw numbers.

[never cry wolf]

34. sorry i didn't link

i just googled "handgun deaths" and pasted from one of the many, it was dated in the year 2000. there are numerous sites and yes, they are talking about the "rate" per capita.

[VermontDem2004]

20. I would say

Australia, United Kingdom, Sweden, Japan, Switzerland, and Canada's populations combined is more then the United States, if you count all the deaths by handguns, it isn't close to the ones by US. But all of these countries prevent the sales of Semi-Automatic Weapons, require owner licensing, and owner registration while in the United States only Some States require this. I do notice the poster said Japan, but I know for a fact less then 1% of all households own guns, they are well dicipline society, they rarely commit the crimes we do.

[glarius]

21. You should come up and see us sometime...You might like us

Robert Duvall seems to have a hate on for Canada. He has made anti-Canadian remarks before....He said not too long ago that Americans are much better actors than Canadians...This is a ridiculous statement...Actors' abilities are not a result of whether they were born in Canada or the United States....I wonder if perhaps he's pissed because he was passed over for a role that went to a Canadian?....Who knows....From the things I've heard him say on late night talk shows, he strikes me as a rather hard-nosed right wing type anyway...He probably shares your assessment that Canada is a "socialist country", which of course it is not, really....I think we have an excellent balance in the way our country is run....We do not have people being spirited away to secret prisons, not charged with anything and not allowed to see lawyers etc.....Think about it...

P.S. This is not meant as America bashing....I live close to the U.S.A border and we have much going on back and forth across the border and are good friends...

[Minstrel Boy]

22. I've heard some virulent anti-French nonsense

from Duvall, too, so I think we all know where he's coming from.

He's still one of my favourite actors. It's when he's playing himself that I have problems.

[glarius]

27. Agreed....He is an excellent actor....PERIOD....

:)

[Darth_Kitten]

31. I don't think so....

he ain't so hot.....

[glarius]

35. I don't care for him personally, but I have to admit he's a good actor!

To me personally, he's about as appealing as a lizard but I really do believe he is an excellent actor...

[Darth_Kitten]

36. I can't care for somebody so lacking in nuance and sensitivity.....

he's good in his very limited way. ;)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. "lacking in nuance and sensitivity"

Robert Duvall is one of the great character actors of his day. He's up there with Pacino, Hoffman, Hackman, and DeNiro.

Look at his work as the consigliere in The Godfather. You are looking for subtlety. He gives it to you in spades in that roll.

Some of Robert Duvall's and Sean Connery's politics are a little right for me but they are good role models for how a man should conduct himself.

[Darth_Kitten]

41. Yes, lacking in nuance and sensitivity....

He contradicts himself and shows himself to be such an ignorant, small-minded clod in real life....no Mr. Sensitivity....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I Have Seen Him On TV

a couple of times and that's not the way he comes off to me.

But I guess some folks want to reject anything remotely masculine.


To me being a liberal and being masculine are not mutually exclusive.

[tameszu]

30. Pretty funny for a guy who's named "Duvall"

Just like Tom DeLay, attacking Dem politicians for being "French." Duh!

[tameszu]

28. C'mon now, this is easy math

The % is pretty simple to figure out, and the U.S. isn't that much bigger. It's prety obvious that the %-tage of deaths in the U.S. is ridiculously higher. Back of the envelope calculations:

Australia: 13/20,000,000 = 0.000065%
Canada: = 128/32,000,000 = 0.0004%
Japan: 60/127,000,000 = 0.000047%
Sweden: 36/9,000,000 = 0.0004%
Switzerland: 97/7,000,000 = 0.0014%
UK: 3/60,000,000 = 0.000005%

USA: 14,000/290,000,000 = 0.0048%

That is, the %-tage of handgun deaths per capita in the U.S. ranges from 10x more (than Sweden) to 1000x more (than Australia or the UK). That's a crapload more.

BTW, in Canada, you have the right to use deadly force to defend yourself as long as it is not disproportional and you also have the right to use force to defend your property, as long as it is not more force than is necessary to conduct your defence. This doctrine is not an unreasonable one. It says: please don't kill anyone if you don't have to. I would respectfully submit that the alternative is rather barbaric.

[Kellanved]

32. look over here

Gun Homicides per million inhabitants:

Canada 6.0
Germany 2.1
United Kingdom 1.3
United States 62.4




http://www.handgunfree.org/HFAMain/research/abroad/

[treepig]

38. why do you limit deaths to hand guns?

other types of guns can kill and injure too!

the total number of gun deaths is much higher, from this site

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~confiles/american.html

there are 38,317 total gun deaths in the USA in a recent year with 17,971 of them being suicides. there are better statistics available directly from the CDC (i'm too lazy to look them up right now) but they're in line with these higher numbers. in fact, in some years almost as many people are killed by guns as in traffic accidents.

[Maple]

25. Well actually

we Canadians just call the cops, and they take care of it.

It's not a problem.

[magnolia]

46. What I don't get....

...is why anyone would be willing to take another human life to protect their STUFF! I wonder about the person who puts their STUFF and their family in the same catagory. Sure, I would kill with my bare hands to protect my daughter...if she were in actual risk, not imaginery risk. But there is nothing I own, including my house and my entire bank account, that is worth a human life no matter how depraved that life is. In fact...I wouldn't kill a dog to protect my STUFF!!!!

[pink_poodle]

3. You can only use as much force as you receive..............

In other words, if you are hit by a stick, you cannot blast away with a gun. It sucks. It means that anyone entering your home can do so and you cannot hit them unless they hit first and only then can you give back what they give you. If they use a baseball bat, then so you can you but you can't hit with a machete or shoot with a gun. See what I mean? It is just way too screwed up here. I for one would not want some creep coming through my house and not having an option to stop him in any way I can. It's just not fair. He has no right to be here in the first place and therefore I should have the option of being able to fight back to defend myself and property.

As far as Duvall goes, he can piss off as he lives in America so therefore it is none of his business. What the hell does a Mr. Big like him care about us up here for anyway. sigh.

[Swede]

8. You can only use deadly force

when your life is threatened. If someone was in your house in the dark ,shoot the bugger. But if he was on your land or stealing your car and you or someone else was not in danger,you cannot shoot him. A couple of years ago a Japanese student was trick or treating on Hallowe'en. The property owner told him to freeze. He didn't and the guy shot him. No charges. There was no threat,the guy was on the lawn.

[Jacobin]

5. You can't use deadly force to protect property in this country either

You can use it to protect yourself or the life of another.

Been the law for decades here.

Duval is a fricking cowboy.

[VermontDem2004]

6. Duval is an excellent actor IMHO

I especially liked him in the recent movie "Gods and Generals"

[Swede]

12. I loved him in Apocalypse Now

but actors should not be expressing their opinion right now cause we're in a war.

[VermontDem2004]

14. Actors who live here in America are allowed to

There is a first amendment. Just because someone choose entertainment as a profression doesn't mean there rights should be stripped away. If they can't express their opinions, then nearly can Bill O'reilly or whoever.

[Swede]

16. That was just a lame joke

I was just making a comment on how the Dixie Chicks and Garofalo (is that the right spelling) were dragged around for their views.

[bicentennial_baby]

24. Yep

I learned that in my Firearms training course, first thing.

[carrowsboy]

26. no wonder...

..he was so believable as Stalin in that HBO movie a few years back.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I Hope He Doesn't Think

you can use deadly force in America to protect property.

You are entitled to use as much force as necessary to repel an attack, not more...

And if a guy's running down the street with your tv you're prolly going to prison id you shoot him.

[CanuckAmok]

39. One thought...

I'm basically sitting on the fence on this one, but I think the fact that a Canadian home is less likely to have a deadly weapon such as a handgun withing the owner's reach means that a Canadian burgler is less likely to feel the need to arm himself to level the playing field. Particularly as you can likely avoid serious jail time in Canada for property crimes (non assault/murder etc), but if you use a gun (or even a replica or toy gun) in a crime and get caught, they throw the book at you, and you go inside for a couple of years. It's not worth the risk, especially if you know that whoever lives in the house won't have anything to shoot at you with.

Signed,
Devil's Advocate

[robbedvoter]

42. F* Duval! I'm avoiding everything he makes along with the other wingnuts

(Arnuld, Gibson, Eastwood, Stallone Raygun, Gibson and the guy from the Love Boat). There isn't an accomplishment so breathtaking to excuse bigotted and hateful attitudes - I can't even see his face now without thinking of his ugly soulles insides.
Been avoiding Hollywood trash anyway for years, so this will be easy.

[Lost4words]

44. I am with you robbedvoter! n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. You're Throwing In Good Actors With Bad Actors

and conflating conservatism with bigotry.

I won't go to see a movie by a racist or a bigot but I am not going to boycott someone just because he or she is a garden variety conservative.

I'd have to see the context of Duvall's remarks about the use of deadly forece to protect private property. I wouldn't shoot someone who was running down the street with my tv but I wouldn't think twice about putting a bullet in the head of someone who was trying to burn down my home.

Boycotting someone because their views differ from yours is about the most illiberal thing I could think that someone could do.