Moncia History here not good

[swinney]

1.Five years screwing married teacher.
2.First bj to Wjc when age 22. Experienced.
3.Told girl friends she was taking her Knee Pads to Washington.
4.Boy friend said she liked Kinky sex like being handcuffed.
5.She exposed herself to Clinton. She implied come and get it it's hot.
6.Work at Pentagon. Pregnant. Abortion. Nice girl.
7. associate of Tripp. That says enough.
Monica needs no sympathy only condemnation.

[noiretextatique]

1. and clinton? the victim of an evil, baby-killing, bad girl?

:eyes: sure...he was "forced" :eyes:

[WilliamPitt]

2. Condemnation?

A woman in the prime of her sexuality made some bad and stupid decisions. That deserves understanding and head-shaking, not condemnation.

There was a goddam adult in the room, too.

When I was in a relationship, I got hit on. I didn't take the opportunity because I have a brain in my head. That doesn't mean the person who hit on me deserves to be condemned.

[noiretextatique]

3. perhaps we should stone her

after we condemn her :shrug:

[HFishbine]

19. Yes! Yes! A stoning!

And let it be a lesson to all American women next time they think of flirting!

[noiretextatique]

29. saw "a handmaiden's tale" again last week

remember the scene where the handmaiden was hanged? they made the other handmaidens pull the rope. to be effective, a stoning would have to be done by other women :puke:

[HFishbine]

40. Yes! Yes! By other women!

Bet we could find some volunteers here!

[Tellurian]

42. Yes, we might have felt sorry for Monica when the scandal first erupted

But no more...

Monica has had plenty of time to think on the chaos that has ensued
because of her penchant for having affairs with married men.

The reason I feel justified in coming down on Monica is...
For all the trouble she's reeked on this country and President Clinton, he still gave her a "good" recommendation and wished her well. Monica had two choices in front of her when this book came out. She could have kept quiet and let the country go about it's business or she could have been an adult about it and shown some integrity and just given out a banal press release stating she has gotten on with her life and what happened between her and BC is history.
End of story!

She didn't!

What did she do?

She went for the GOLD...
The women doesn't have a shed of integrity...she,
like Cato Kailin, is out for her next 15 min of fame..
and $$$$$$$...

[HFishbine]

43. Then by all means

pick up a rock!

[Tellurian]

49. No, all she needs is a good kick in the

A** and a good talking to-

She doesn't realize she's letting the RWers use her more
than any *sex play* ever could.. All she's doing is making
a fool out of herself by listening to whoever it is telling
her to follow the $$$$ and further embarress the Clintons.

Whatsmore, she's hogging prescious headlines that should be
paying attention to unseating Bush!

[juajen]

53. Ok, enough already

Monica was no innocent and I am quite adept at flirting; so, let me say that the flipping of her thong was not flirting. It was a solid invitation. Unfortunately, not many men in this country would turn this down. I am not excusing Bill, but then neither does he. Two adults. Still, none of our freakin' business. I would expect this at Free Republic, not here. Even our discussing this keeps it alive for discussion across the country. OTOH, not much attention being paid to Georgie what with Bill's memoirs and F9/11 opening.

[jedicord]

6. I Disagree

There are too many people out there who have no qualms about luring married people away. Maybe just for fun sex, maybe because they decided they want that person for themselves. These people are called "home wreckers", 'cause that's what they do. Yes, the spouse is just as guilty. They should both be condemned.

Personal here, because someone "in the prime of their sexuality made some bad and stupid decisions" and broke up my first marriage.

[Ganja Ninja]

10. There were two adults in the room.

I don't condemn either of them for what they chose to do in private. I also don't feel sorry for Monica when she says her life has been ruined by the press. She's the one that opened her mouth to Linda Tripp. The guy she was doing was the f-ing president of the USA. He should have been smarter and she should have kept her mouth shut. She's no victim and her past says she's no angel either.

[Guaranteed]

33. Let's stone 'em both.

EVERYBODY must get stoned.

[noiretextatique]

50. LOL...thanks for some levity

in this dismal thread :D

[stellanoir]

11. agreed with one slight caveat. . .

women generally don't hit their sexual primes till their late thirties or early to mid forties. Granted, that's a generalization. Monica's motivations were most presumably somewhat different. . .

The interesting thing at the time was that she wasn't complaining at all back in '98-'99.

Even though she had been violated by federalies who interrogated her and had absolutely "no respect whatsoever for "the constitutional rites of women wearing thongs."

It's a bit odd and rather telling that she's complaining now that WJC is not romanticizing their connection in his autobiography.

All somewhat curious. . .

[juajen]

54. Probably back then, she thought they might resume their affair

Now, she nows that ain't gonna happen and she's pissed. Typical. The same with the other two who are making waves. Jennifer and Paula just need some more money and/or attention. Actually, they all wanted more attention in the book; and, now that they didn't get it, they're perhaps getting paid by someone else. Amazing that this late in the game, Clinton is still such a popular man to love and/or hate. He's something else! I sincerely hope he, Hillary and Chelsea live happily ever after. It takes a good marriage to get through what they have suffered through and, it makes the ties that bind that much stronger.

[liberalhistorian]

18. No, Will,

I'd say the person who hit on you had very good taste, lol! Of course, I hope you're glad that I managed to restrain myself when we were staying in the same hotel in Kent for the May 4 commemoration! :evilgrin: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Samurai_Writer]

48. A woman's sexual prime -- correction

A woman's sexual prime doesn't happen until late 30s/early 40s. When I think back to when I was 24, yes, I knew the technique, but no way was I in my 'prime'.

[Mandate My Ass]

4. She will be forever associated with blowjobs

She's paying a big price for her poor judgement.

Let he who is without sin....

[Cat Atomic]

5. The dogma of Saint Clinton.

Sorry, but I think Monica Lewinsky is just a human being who got caught up in a big mess. She's not a villain. Certainly no less moral than Clinton.

[theboss]

7. Those evil sluts

Making 50-year-old married men do all these awful things.

There are a lot of silly, promiscuous women out there. Not a lot of them get the president to stick a cigar in their vagina.

They both deserve blame, but I blame the one who could have been sued for workplace discrimination.

[noiretextatique]

8. not to mention HE was the one who, in part, "blew" it

by whoring, getting caught, and lying about it.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

9. She needs no sympathy...

She went to Washington on a "man hunt" and wound up grabbing the brass ring. She understood exactly what she was doing and with whom she was doing it. She's no more deserving of an apology from Clinton that Clinton is deserving of an apology from her.

39. I think Clinton did apologize though

I read it a couple of days ago, been trying to find it on Google but haven't been able to track down the exact quote yet.

[rinsd]

12. St. Clinton can do no wrong!

Why does everyone turn into #$@&*#*-lite(insults sans the threats) about Monica?

Reminds me of one of the aspects I really disliked about Clinton's handling of the affair. The character assasination.

Thanks for reminding me that people are petty & blindly partisan across the political spectrum

[Mike Daniels]

41. Clinton lost me with his initial non-apology

Spent the entire time when he initially 'fessed up by blaming everyone but himself for the whole mess. I recall that it went over so badly that he ended up having to apologize again a day or two later.

That incident showed that Clinton truly lacked character.

[rinsd]

45. It wasn't the non-apology for me....

It was Sid and the gang whispering to reporters about some of the stories referenced in the original.

What it really shows is how hypocritical both the Dems and GOP can be. GOP bastards called Anita Hill a little bit slutty and a little bit nutty and that insult was then used against Monica.

This is why when people ask if we're better than that, the pat answer is "no of course not, we're all petty bastards to one degree"

[juajen]

57. I resent that comparison on Anita Hill's behalf

She certainly had nothing going sexually with Justice Thomas. In no way was her behavior comparable to Monica Lewinsky's; and, Clarence Thomas was certainly no Bill Clinton.

Anita was slimed by the Republicans and, while Monica was mistreated, I believe that Starr and the FBI were the ones who really tore into Monica. Surely, everyone, including Monica, expected Clinton to deny this as 99% of men in his position would have done; and, her behavior was, excuse me, slutty.

Anita Hill stated her case against the confirmation of Clarence Thomas in a calm and dignified manner, though some of the subject matter was obscene. At no time do I ever remember her behavior as anything but ladylike. This is tantamount to comparing figs with jalapenos, IMHO, absolutley nonsense.

[Killarney]

13. Neither one of them is innocent.

She knew exactly what she was doing and so did Bill. Both are to blame.

But... it never would have gone as far as it did (impeachment, etc) if SHE HADN'T FUCKING KEPT THE DRESS! She's a psycho.

[liberalhistorian]

25. Actually, it shouldn't have gone as far as

it did because IT WAS NO ONE ELSE'S FUCKING BUSINESS!!!! EVERY PRESIDENT, and I mean EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT since Washington has done something similar. In fact, Harding's WH escapades make Clinton look like a Boy Scout leader (for instance, screwing his secretary in a WH closet while stationing a "guard" outside the door to keep his angry wife from barreling in, that kind of thing), he'd screw anything that moved, anytime, anywhere. The difference is that we didn't have the immediate mass media we have today and people also didn't get into those kinds of matters, believing them to be private.

[Killarney]

27. I agree with you.

I could care less who my president has sex with as long as he runs the country well.

[ArkDem]

51. My guess is that Harry Truman smoked his cubans.

[bluedeminredstate]

14. Huh?

"6.Work at Pentagon. Pregnant. Abortion. Nice girl."

Are you saying people who have abortions aren't "nice girls?" It's still legal in this country and many people do it for various reasons other than because they're skanky nymphos. If she slept with someone and got pregnant (before, during or after Clinton), it's not anything that millions of girls her age haven't done. Are they all bad girls too?

I think the fact is that if Monica just screwed Clinton and wasn't famous for her other "gifts" people wouldn't get so worked up about her character. There's something about what was involved in their encounters that makes it so naughty to the people who can't over it.


edited for clarification

[Mandate My Ass]

20. How about #4?

I wonder how much OP would like his past sexcapades, as
told by his exes, splashed across the internet.

What a bunch of sexist claptrap.

[bluedeminredstate]

26. Yep.

I feel bad for her no matter what she did. She didn't deserve to be publicly humiliated like that.

[RBHam]

15. enough, already...

god

[HFishbine]

16. Wha? Wha? Where am I?

I think the rules prohibit me from offering an answer.

[LoZoccolo]

17. I wonder if she pursued him knowing he had problems.

Then it would be completely her fault.

[RBHam]

21. yeah, Clinton was victiminzed by a 20 year old intern...

har...

what the hell are you trying to prove?

[LoZoccolo]

24. Nothing.

I'm just kidding. :+

[Terran]

22. Sounds like you're faulting her for getting an abortion

I've called Miss Lewinsky a "slut" on another thread, but implying she's bad person for getting an abortion is going way too far.

[Name removed]

23. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[hiphopnation]

28. agreed...

just sit back and watch the flames.

Got any marshmellows?

[Taylor Mason Powell]

36. Nothing at all wrong with kinky sex.

or liking kinky sex. or being handcuffed. Or (use your imagination here).

Silly me, I thought this was a free country. Consenting adults, and all that...

[TexasSissy]

38. True.

[troublemaker]

55. APOLOGY

Having been responsible for the above deleted message (#23) I must apologize for violating the rules. I am informed that we should limit our criticism to *ideas*, not individuals.

Having reviewed the rules I can see that rather than saying the poster "is a b*g*t" I should have said that the *idea* of calling for the condemnation of a woman for having an abortion or enjoying kinky sex is a "bigoted idea," or "an idea broadly associated with bigots," or "is an ideal clue if I'm ever on the $20,000 Pyramid and the answer is 'things a bigot might say.'"

[noiretextatique]

56. LMAO

:thumbsup:

[Mizmoon]

30. I like Monica

I'd have her over for dinner anytime. Clinton too. Just not at the same time.

[West Coast Democrat]

31. I don't sympathize, nor do I condemn

As an adult, she was responsible for her own choices. But I don't have a full understanding from all of the points of view involved in this affair, so I can't automatically condemn her or Bill.

[TexasSissy]

32. Clinton is the one primarily responsible for "screwing up"

1. He was twice her age, and so had more life experiences
2. He was the married one
3. He was the government official who owed a duty to the country not to screw up his presidency.
4. He'd had affairs before.

He clearly knew what he was going.

She was wrong. But I cut her slack because of her age. I did some stupid things when I was in my early 20's. (I think Monica was about 21 years old? Or was she 22? Barely past the legal age. A few years before then, and she was 16.)

I don't hold her any ill will because she had an abortion. That is a legal procedure that I do not regard as immoral. All it says is that she had sex. Well, duh. I hope you don't either, since presumably you believe in the party platform of pro-choice. Also, I've never heard that she had an abortion, so unless she's admitted it, I would doubt it. But it doesn't matter to me.

We all bring our life experiences to things. I cannot count the times when older, married men tried to get me to do things when I was a young woman. I know from personal experience how often middle-aged men go after young women. I also know that some young women go after older men. But they are older, presumably wiser, and they are married with responsibilities. They should have much stronger will to resist temptations. It takes making a few mistakes to get better at avoiding them. Bill Clinton had many more opportunities to learn from his mistakes than a 21 year old had.

Having said the above, I think Clinton was a terrific president, and if he could run again, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

[DrWeird]

34. She kept the dress.

Fucking savages.

[smirkymonkey]

35. What's with the morality police lately?

Of course the men have no part in this. The women "make" them do "evil" things. God, it's starting to sound like a Promise Keepers meeting.

Everyone needs to grow up and take responsibility for thier OWN actions.

46. I know the rules say

not to call people freepers, but the morality police thing you see going on, I see going on also & it really makes me wonder.

[redqueen]

37. Oh whatever

I admit I didn't know she'd chased after a married man before (I say chased after because didn't she admit coming on to Bill?)... but to trash her like that is just wrong wrong wrong.

They both screwed up, and to be honest I DON'T EVEN FREAKING CARE ANYMORE. IT'S OVER!

What chaps my hide is her CURRENTLY cashing in on her little love note to the RNC.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

44. This is way, way out of line.

Seriously people, back to the Bible. 'Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged'. Words to fucking live by.

[Catherine Vincent]

47. Condemnation?

Please!

[mitchum]

52. She's just a typical Princess...silly, shallow and not-too-bright...

neither contemptible nor pitiable

[He loved Big Brother]

58. In my eyes the only wrong she did

(Besides the obvious that she shouldn't have slept with married men) was blab to Linda Tripp. Nobody told her to open her big mouth. A few years older and she may have realized this. Hell, she wouldn't have done it. Age is hardy ever "just a number".

I also agree she knew Clinton was "easy-pickings".

2.First bj to Wjc when age 22. Experienced.
She was sexually experienced at age 22. And?

3.Told girl friends she was taking her Knee Pads to Washington.
Off-color humor said to girlfriends. And?

4.Boy friend said she liked Kinky sex like being handcuffed.
And????

6.Work at Pentagon. Pregnant. Abortion. Nice girl.
I myself wouldn't work at the Pentagon. But I applaud her for making the choice to not have a baby at such a young age. And?

She deserves condmenation, but not for most of the reasons I see here.