For those who have seen F911

[WLKjr]

What was your favorite part (most moving)?

I would have to say I got goosebumps quite a bit through the film.

The part with the House pleading for a Senators Sig.

The black out and sound of lower Manhattan.

and the confrontation with the "Do Good'er" who question the grieving mother.


So what were the most moving parts to you?

[Kukesa]

1. The congressmen!

When Moore dogged the congressmen and suggested their sons volunteer to serve in Iraq! That part was priceless.

Hey, how about Jenna and Barbara -- why don't they volunteer?

[drthais]

26. tha POOR mother

I felt so bad for her
what a terrible way
in which to become disallusioned
poor poor woman
and to think
there are more than 800 more of those
not to mention the families
of all those who have missing limbs etc


shameful

[burrowowl]

2. The CBC begging for a

Senator's signature.
I hope our Nation did not die at that time and it is now only on life support.

[mdmc]

22. The Republican that I went with whispered to me

"Where was John Kerry?"
That was the most powerful part. The rich profit on war, the poor fight. A powerful message for Nader.

[WLKjr]

25. That's when you should have said

"Probably in the senate, doing a job. Unlike your messiah, um I mean president who is on vacation ALL THE FUCKING TIME!!"

[mdmc]

27. "Doing a job" on the American people

Awful
:hi:

[Nlighten1]

29. He wasn't doing what he should have been doing.

That was the person's point. Not one Senator stood up for Gore or the blacks in Florida.

[mzmolly]

35. Right, including the Independent Senator from Vermont.

Go figure?

[mdmc]

43. He wasn't indy yet, he was still GOP

But Gore seemed passive, as the USA was passive pre 9-11.
:hi:

[mzmolly]

50. Gore wasn't passive in my opinion. Also as you may have learned.

along with me, supporting the CBC would only have sent the measure to the R controlled house who would then get to choose ANYONE THEY WANTED TO BE PRESIDENT?! How's that for democracy?

Here is a good article about the ins and outs of election 2000.

http://democrats.com/view.cfm?id=6543

You know who's too f-ing passive, THE AMERICAN PUBLIC and our corporate controlled media.

[Cheswick2.0]

28. I hope you asked him where all the republican senators were

Don't they have a responsibilty for democracy too? Your friend is a hypocrite and Nader isn't going to do shit anymore than he has for the last four years.
Nader is part of the reason Gore is not president.

[mdmc]

44. She loves Bush, hated Gore and Nader

she's not so proud
doesn't talk so loud
anymore.

Still, she is no fan of Kerry (she did like Clark and Edwards, and HATED Dean with passion).
:hi:

[mzmolly]

34. Not as powerful as the fact that because of Nader it came down to

a recount. Not as powerful as Nader running again. Not as powerful as the fact that had Gore been our President there would be no F911.

I would ask where was the Independent Senator Jim Jeffords?

There are alot of questions, but I think the big *answer* is to defeat George Bush. :hi:

[Skittles]

3. I think when Lila was grieving outside the White House

such a hard lesson for her to learn; she paid so very dearly. And all Americans are paying now.

[AntiCoup2K4]

48. Lila should have smacked that Freeper bitch upside the head

and before the sexism patrol reaches for the alert button, I don't throw the word "bitch" around casually, but in this case it definitely applies. Even if the Freep in the movie had been male, it would apply.

As I said, had I been Lila, I would have lost all self-restraint at that point, if someone would have accused me of "staging".

[Slit Skirt]

4. i am in agreement with you

on all points.....
I also loved the Bush history....many aren't aware...

two guys had petitions to sign to change local election laws to eliminate all or none electoral votes....started passing them around before any previews started..some shrill started bitching about it and got the guys thrown out of the movie theatre....but not before about 3/4 of the people signed and conversation on MM's party on Monday:headbang:

[writekid]

5. Stop saying this film reveals nothing new

I can't believe how many pro F911 reviews and DUers are prefacting their reviews with things like "...even though there isn't much new in this film etc..." I'm a regular DUer and well informed and I was amazed at how rich, detailed and moving this film is.

I went to a noon showing in LA on opening day. I was informed that I bought the last ticket for that show. Old, young, men, women. A big cross section and the buzz was like nothing I've witnessed in a theater and I see everything.

People laughed, hissed, cried, clapped, cheered and jeered throughout. It was simply powerful. What I didn't expect was how much testimony came from soldiers and families directly affected by Bush. I also had no idea of the depth and complexity of the saudi ties.

As a cinematic experience it was breathtaking. The score was fabulous and the editing was spectacular. Juxtapose this masterpiece with anything like LAST SAMURAI, COLD MOUNTAIN, WHITE CHICKS or any other recent fare and there's no comparison. This thing is so moving and entertaining. Just plain awesom.

[Fovea]

6. all of the above

plus,

The ashcroft/carnahan comment.

"The roof is on fire" as the battle hymn of the
invasion.

And the horrible carnage of Baghdad.

[Cannikin]

7. When no Senators would stand up for the African Americans and sign!!!

[keithyboy]

24. It wasn't just for the African Americans, they were fighting for ALL of us

It was US democracy on the line, it was OUR country. The result was the disenfranchisement of every Dem who cast a vote!

[Mizmoon]

8. The soldier who lost his hands

haunting. Totally haunting.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

9. For sheer subtle pointed humor

the scene on the aircraft carrier with The Last American Hero as the background music, containing the line, "It should have been someone else."

[Lisa0825]

21. KNowing those words by heart after all these years....

I KNEW that line was coming, and started laughing as soon as I recognized the song! PRICELESS choice of music!!!!

[Systematic Chaos]

10. The whole "Shiny, Happy People" part

had the entire theater laughing their heads off at the screening I saw. Then later on, the part where the Iraqi man holds out the charred, dead infant (sorry for the spoiler but I don't know how else to convey exactly what scene I'm referring to) asking just WTF that child had done to deserve his fate, nearly caused me to lose the popcorn I'd been eating. I felt like I was on the brink of an anxiety attack throughout the whole second half of the movie. It all hit me THAT hard. Had my wife and I both crying at least once.

[Nevernose]

20. Reminded me a lot of "Roger and Me"

Where he's cruising down the street, looking at all of the boarded-up buildings, and the Beach Boys are blaring on the radio.

[BluePatriot]

11. Well...

the blacked-out screen with the 9/11 sounds was chilling.

Lila reading her letter was moving, too.

And, the run-in with the lady who thought it was all "staged..." everyone in the theatre wanted to reach out and smack her. Poor Lila. "Karbala...April 2nd..."

[gristy]

17. Yeah, that woman struck me too.

She is the stereotypical suburban republican woman. I have met the type at rallies.

[WLKjr]

19. maybe it was wrong....NAH

I spoke up on that one and said it kind of loud, "you just met your average Bush supporter"

[REVOLT823]

12. A lot of powerful moments

Mine would have to be Lila and the blackout scene of 911. There were a lot of very powerful moments in this film that I noticed really gripped the whole audience. Also the footage from Iraq was obviously a little more revealing than what we are spoon fed on themajor networks.

[Systematic Chaos]

13. Hi, REVOLT823, and welcome to DU!

And on that note, I gotta wonder just how many new members we're going to have as this movie continues to shake, rattle and roll the box office? :)

[Mizmoon]

14. Welcome to DU!

It's nice to have you here.

[WLKjr]

16. Welcome to DU buddy

Glad you came aboard REVOLT823! prepare to become enlightend.:toast:

[Still_Loves_John]

15. The soldiers

There's this one girl who is talking, and at first she doesn't really show any signs of distress, but after she's done she just kind of looks down, very moving.

All of those soldier testimonials were amazing--the guy who wouldn't go back and "kill other poor people."

And I love how they contrasted with the earlier testimonials where the soldiers still thought it was a game. Even though it wasn't the same soldiers, I think it did a good job of showing how their perception shifted from the beginning of the war to the end.

[Lisa0825]

18. It's hard to call it favorite, when it was so hard to watch...

but I would have to say it's a tie between the Iraqi woman crying and talking to God about us blowing up her house... her crying to God over and over.... and the papers in smoke 9/11 scene... and the woman reading the letter from her son after he was killed in Iraq. All scenes were about tragedy and loss, and my heart ached through it all.

[TLDHOME99]

33. those two scenes were the ones that got to me, also

Cried buckets. Not a dry eye in the theater. If that didn't break your heart, you don't have a heart.

I want all my Republican co-workers to see the film, but I bet they won't. They'll just dismiss it as liberal propaganda without checking it out.

[democrank]

23. From Vermont......

This film was both humorous and gut-wrenching, an odd combination that brought me to tears and left me even more determined than ever to beat Bush in November.

I was most moved by the blank screen with the sounds of the planes hitting the towers and the horrible images of Iraq. The recruiters trolling the poor neighborhood looking for more cannon fodder disgusted me and my heart nearly broke as I watched members of the Black Caucus BEG for so much as one senator to back them in their protest of the 2000 election results.

Although most of the Bush stuff was old news, when I saw him clip after clip....when I felt his arrogance like a slap in the face....when I saw him frozen in place in his September 11th grammar school chair....that flightsuit....his comment to supporters, his kind of people, `the haves and the have mores`.....I wanted to vomit.

[cybildisobedience]

30. the recruiters bothered me, too

They were so conniving and dishonest -- like vampires on the hunt for fresh blood. And to see the people they were targeting -- young, hopeless, obviously poor. It was just disgusting.
These recruiters are polishing up this whole concept of the great opportunities the military provides and selling it to these kids who have so few other options. In the end, these poor kids are nothing more than cannon fodder for the contempible, soulless cretins who are getting rich off this war.
It was heartbreaking.
And Moore and Cuomo and Rangel are right --kids ARE the ones who should see this. They'll be the ones paying the ultimate price.

[MisterP]

41. oh, the "how do you do; we're all well-to-do" speech!

[DemonFighterLives]

31. Welcome to all the new or newer people here!

The scene that hit me very hard was the CBC pleading for an election invetigation. Very ironic that Gore was their presiding over his own destruction. It seems we have a much bigger problem than just the S*ck P*ppet. I agree with the republican mentioned above. Where was Kerry? Where were Byrd and Wellstone and Kennedy on this day. Right in that scene we witnessed the destruction of America. All appeared complicit with the stolen election.
Great laugh when Moore commandeered the ice cream truck to read the paperwork to the congressmen. :D

[truth2power]

32. So many moving parts - all of the above, but one "yuk" moment

was Wolfowitz putting his comb in his mouth and using his saliva to groom his hair...in public...in front of the cameras. Good gawd!!!
:puke:

[freeforall]

36. It broke my heart to see

the Iraqi mother upset and questioning why this was happening, and the American mother upset about her son.

Despite all the political rhetoric, WE ARE NO DIFFERENT, BUT HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS!

When will people "get the drift" and quit fighting?

The footage of bombs being dropped on Iraq really got to me.

[liskddksil]

37. The Very End

Bush's quote-" Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me, although he couldn't say it correctly. AS he said it there was a collecive gasp in the theater. A very telling quote that * can not be reelected.

[Beam Me Up]

38. Struck by the image of the two people praying on 9/11

I'm a spiritual but not particularly 'religious' person and I don't call myself a Christian, but the image of those two people somewhere near the WTC touching hands with heads bowed engaged in prayer as the horror unfolded around them really touched me and will stick with me the rest of my life. I'm very glad MM included that -- it felt totally sincere to me.

I was also struck by the relationship between the 9/11 horror and the bombing of Bagdad -- to me they are ONE THING, both ultimately perpetrated by the SAME PEOPLE. Ultimately, one way or another, those who profit from war, will have the wars they want.

[Gordon25]

39. As a Vietnam vet...

...the gut wrenching truth of one line broke my heart all over again. A young soldier in Iraq, looking into the camera with that all too familiar thousand yard stare, murmuring: "You can't kill someone without killing a part of your own soul."

There are 135,000 American casualties in Iraq and God help their familes when they come home.

Political defeat is nowhere near enough. If there are no war crimes trials there will never again be an America worth believing in and we will have, as a nation, betrayed every American sacrifice from WW II through the present.

May God grant that Bush and his minions, and all who continue to support him, find their dreams filled with the images of the dead and mangled children who will forever bear mute witness to this administration's war crimes.

Forgive my rage.

Gordon25

[DemonFighterLives]

42. Great Post!

Just you talking about it brings a tear to my eye. I don't think I ever heard of the thousand yard stare until I came to DU. Now I can see it! The people who brought this on this country deserve everything they get.
Just after the movie, we went to Old Chicago for a beer and the bartender was spouting off about how there is a movie coming out about big fat liar Moore or something to the effect. Being freshly realeased from the movie, I said, "no way, Michael is telling the truth". He stated that he was a marine and has about 30 friends(marines) over there who are enjoying themselves or whatever. All the while he had a smirk on his face like the shrub.
I told him, "Go see the movie". He did say he would, but with that smirk, I expect him to continue to bash Moore. I felt good that a moore supporter got in his face. I highly doubt the 30 letters anyway. Maybe a few, but it says alot about who he hangs with.
I said, "maybe they like killing".
I served during peace time with Jimmy Carter, so what the heck do I know?

[Eloriel]

47. Your rage is entirely appropriate

THANK you for your rage, and providing the context of that thousand yard stare.

[Gordon25]

49. Thanks for the understanding

I really helps to be able to communicate with people who understand and don't try to tell me I am over reacting.

Gordon25

[Comicstripper]

40. DAMN

That stupid woman still pisses the hell out of me. I'm going to be staying in DC for the next week, maybe I'll see her and smack her once.
"No, no...this is all staged. This is staged."
"How dare you say my son is a stage!? My son was killed-"
"Where did he die?"

Ugh. Total bitch.

[DemonFighterLives]

45. Couldn't understand totally what was said

Was she trying to say that the war was staged or the deaths were staged? I guess it doesn't much matter, cause that woman was as heartless as they get. The woman in the tent came very close to the truth. B*sh was the worst terrorist. Be interesting to find out the woman in the tents story.

[Comicstripper]

46. I'm not sure

...but I was under the impression that the woman saw the cameras (and maybe Moore if he was there while they were filming) and stepped in, saying the whole event was staged. That was the impression I got.

[soggy]

51. when freeper bitch yelled "blame al qaida"

as lila was walking away.

it was so real, i wanted to turn around and go after her...

[sallydallas124]

52. Agree with much of above, also

Very moved by Lila in front of the White House - to me it symbolized the frustration of many and the extent to which the government has been taken from the hands of the people.

it also hit me - during the scene where the soldiers bust down the door of the Iraqi family's home and search inside - how they were really all unwilling players in some sick game. I sensed by the tone of their commands that the soldier's had to do it but didn't really want to. And of course the fear of the family was terrible. To me, it emphasized who the really enemy is in the situation - not the soldiers or civilians - but the fucks who put them there. It would be great if we could all come together - Americans, Iraqis, everyone who is just trying to live and see their family live - and fight the real enemy.

There was so much in that movie - to me it was a just a compilation of everything the media hasn't shown us. I feel I was aware of a lot of the information but it's great to see images rather than just words.

Loved the part where he asked what do you think would have been the reaction if Clinton had flown the McVeigh family out of america and then shows a lynch mob - funny and a good point.

[GiovanniC]

53. Several Scenes

• The Representative who, when asked if she had a signature of a Senator on her objection said pointedly, "The Senate is MISSING." I was so mad, even at my own Democratic senators, and at Kerry and Edwards and Kennedy and Byrd and EVERYBODY in the Senate. One fucking signature. One person to heroically stand up for Democracy. I know it wouldn't have made much of a practical difference. But someone should have stood up.
  
  
• The faces of the people as they watched the destruction on 9/11, particularly (you might have to watch it again) the old man who stood watching, just about to cry.
  
  
• The mother reading the letter from her son, and also when she stood in Washington about to collapse, saying, "I need my son!"
  
  
• The images of everyday life in Iraq as Bush was giving his address about attacking the country. Showing, as so many other places will not, that the people of Iraq are PEOPLE, not just animals or barbarians. They laugh, they play, they get married. And we attacked them for no reason.