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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:09 PM
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Think F9/11 Will Impact the Polls?
It will be interesting to see.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:11 PM
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1. hubby predicts 3 points for Kerry
you saw it here first
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:12 PM
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2. I hope it impacts the media
in waking people up to the fact that CNN, MSNBC, et al., have been sleeping on the job, and conveying little of importance.
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cjbuchanan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:13 PM
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4. Exactly
I think the change will be in the questions asked by the media. I think Bush & Co. are going to be forced to answer questions they do not want asked.

As far as polls, not much of a change.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:24 PM
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11. No they won't...they just won't answer any questions or
not answer to any media that asks hard questions. Look what he did to that Irish Journalist! Our media will get plenty of letters too. Don't forget Murdock owns most of the media and he won't stand for it. Bet Fox will get all the interviews in the months to come.
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cjbuchanan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:40 PM
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18. If fox is the only one getting interviews
then no one is going to hear Bush & Co's message. It will spell then end of them. If the do not answer anywhere, then people will vote them out for it.

I know, I'm think best case situation, but it might just happen because now these ideas have made a lot of money and the media likes to follow things that make money.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:27 PM
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13. The "media" is very put out that Moore is exposing 'murkins to "news"..
that they neglected to report. They seem to be trying to paint Moore as a liar because they are embarrassed as being exposed for the propagana spewing hacks that they all are.

If any of you media hacks are reading this thread...THAT MEANS YOU!!!
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:20 PM
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21. I hope so, too. I know I'll be looking for aggressive reporters from now
from now on. I knew they were "rah rah"ing while being embedded during the war, but I hadn't fully realized how lame they had been during the whole time, from the campaign through now.

They're not hard hitting, fact seeking journalists anymore, are they? Well, maybe the ones in the newspapers. The TV media reporters work for big corporations, and if they want "access," they have to play nice. If they want the FCC bill to go through Congress, they have to play nice. It's disgusting.
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:13 PM
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3. I don't it will by much...
In my opinion, most people seeing this movie already hate Bush. This is why you won't see a huge jump.

But, I will say a small change could be in order, as the few fence sitters and maybe just maybe a few RINOs might get converted over.
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:15 PM
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5. "I didn't know that"
is something I heard a lot on the way out of the theater. This was a fairly young crowd, many of whom I heard on the way in talking about how they didn't know much about the movie. So there may have been some eyes opened.

Will the media be shamed into doing their jobs or fight back? That remains to be seen. So far, I haven't seen one good refutation of anything Moore had to say.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:19 PM
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8. Megadittoes, Longhorn
This is entirely new stuff for a lot of people, especially young people.

One thing you can say with certainty about all viewers: the film raises questions -- gnawing, troubling questions. I feel many, many people are going to start wresting with those questions and continue to do so as the summer goes on.

I feel the film will have a major impact --- barring some soon-launched mega-terror distraction. May this never come to pass.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:15 PM
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19. megadittos??
:wtf:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:28 PM
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14. My apolitical son and his girlfriend plan to see the movie...
That's the crowd the repukes have to worry about. The youth demographic who most frequent the movies, who will go out of curiosity.
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RoadRunner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:38 PM
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16. The conventional wisdom is that Moore is preaching to the choir.
But don't believe it for a minute. A lot of people who go to movies have no idea what the movie is about post ante. They go because the time is convenient, because they see people in line, because other people take them, etc. When I saw F911 in El Paso, the young woman in line in front of me had never heard of Michael Moore and had no idea what this film was about. She told me that she thought it was about 9/11 and wanted to know the facts. When the movie was over, I saw her leaving with tears in her eyes.

You are absolutely correct that "some eyes opened." This movie will have an impact, and it's all bad for bush.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:15 PM
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6. Too early
Any effect seen will be wiped away by the next ensuing few months of hard campaigning (and the October surprise of course).
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:18 PM
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7. I disagree
The ones we need to wake up are the media, and seeing numbers like this is just the way to do it.

Take a look at CNN's "estimated" take on movies this weekend. They don't bother to even list F9/11. That editorial decision is gonna cost them, and they don't like their privates hanging out in public. Its not like they were running as the Illinois Republican candidate for senate or anything.

We need to write CNN and wake them up. We need to write each "performer" and wake them up. We need to put those idjuts on the spot and demand answers to our questions.

That will make the difference. That will make things happen.

Shit, let's start now.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:23 PM
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10. cnn didn't bother to list the # uno movie
Edited on Sat Jun-26-04 03:23 PM by zidzi
this weekend?...that can only be gross negligence like everything else they do.
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:21 PM
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9. Immediately - Yes by November, No.
Two factors.

1. Folks have a short memory. If the stock market is up, gas prices low in November, Kerry is toast.

2. The movie is largely playing to the choir. Anti Bush folks go see it in droves, but they are not voting for Bush. Bushies won't bother to see it.

As for the the undecided folk. Well it will swing them in the short term. But Geez.. HOW CAN ANYONE be undecided at this point? If someone is undecided now, they are likely to change their mind 3 more times before November.

By November, the largest practical impact of f.9/11 will be to Moores bank account.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:25 PM
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12. There are alot of undecideds at this point ..as hard
as it is to believe..and the DVD is coming out in October ..so that's our October Surprise.

And as far as "Moore's bank account"..Good! Cause he puts most of his money back into making award winning Documentaries.
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:36 PM
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15. Oh I agree.
Im glad he's making money..although I don't remember saying otherwise.
Besides, I hear that he is donating most of his profits 9/11 victims.

Im just saying that undecideds today can hardly be counted on to stay decided until November.

An October DVD release is an excellent point. Hopefully that will act as a reminder.

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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:39 PM
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17. the only people I see it changing are
Nader and other far left voters who see it and decide Bush is so bad that they can't afford to let the perfect be the enemy of the good, hold their nose and vote Kerry.

It also may affect those who would never vote for a democrat or left leaning candidate but get disgusted with Bush and stay home or vote some other third party.

Those are the two groups I see it most affecting, other than maybe helping with turnout amongst mainline democrats.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:16 PM
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20. MM plans to debut the DVD in October
:evilgrin:
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