It drives me crazy when they say I am not patriotic (vent)

[southernleftylady]

I feel I am more patriotic then they ever will . Or that I am not supporting our troops. ME?? I am the one who wants to bring them home. I am the one whos hearts break every time one of our soilders die for what? WHAT? To "free iraq"? PLEASE!
LOL Ok I just had to vent somewhere. This really irks me! Sorry

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. I know JUST how you feel!

[tnlefty]

2. Of course to free Iraq so they can be more free to hate us for 'our free-

dom and way of life'. I'm so sick of hearing Dimson* say that I could just scream!

Welcome again in case you missed it in the other thread.

[southernleftylady]

4. Thank you! :) I love this place!

[LostInAnomie]

3. Same here

"Unpatriotic" and "don't support the troops" are just idiotic catch phrases that let them stop thinking. If you ask them what the qualities are of a "patriot" they get a deer in the headlights look, and try to rattle off some poorly thought out characteristics the anybody can tear apart.

The nature of the enemy is ignorance, and an aversion to critical thinking. Exploit it.

[TransitJohn]

9. Don't forget "treasonous"

Qestioning this war (and ALL government actions)is the absolute most patriotic thing to do.

[Vickers]

5. I tell 'em, kiss my ass, I *was* a troop...how 'bout you?

I earned my skepticism, thank you very much.

:P

[Deja Q]

6. I never wanted this bollocks war in the first place...

We need our troops there to clean up the mess they were told to make. We are responsible. To pull them out is like a man who callously rapes a woman, impregnates her, leaves her battered, and never takes responsibility for his own actions. Sorry, but to pull them all out now would be a TREMENDOUS insult that would damage our reputation even more so, hard to believe as that is - * has already destroyed a lot of bridges and good will given to us after he allowed 9/11 to occur.

With the UN in control, Iraq stands a better chance, though it's sadly quite clear that the freeper phrase "The UN is irrelevant and weak" has actual relevance behind it. It's no wonder we're the nation getting away with our mad cowboy disease* in full control of things...

[Upfront]

7. Well said

It has cut my heart in half, I want this war for oil to end but I don't know how to tell anyone it was all for oil and to enrich the Bush family. I think it comes down to who wants to be the last person to die for the rich. That is it for me. I have lost no family members so far and that means I know nothing about pain. I understand that, I just want it to end.

[TexasSissy]

8. This is an old, common ploy to get others to go along w/the crowd.

Note the following:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in every country ."






Who said that? Hermann Goering at the Neuremburg trials after WWII.

I do not say this to compare our leaders to the Nazis, but rather to point out that this is an apparently old, common ploy used by those in power to get those who disagree to go along w/the crowd. Thought you maybe could use the quote. Look it up on the Internet if you want to be able to quote it more directly. There are a lot of sources.

[Rick in Maryland]

10. That's why they say it..... to drive you crazy <nt>

[southernleftylady]

11. Oh another one i just love to hear

"Well we are at war now we should just suport the prez. because he knows what is best"
AUGH!

[movonne]

12. I think that all this stuff about calling anyone that opposes this

horrible administration unpatriotic is backfiring on them.

[Zomby Woof]

13. Welcome to DU!

:toast: Glad to have you here.

[southernleftylady]

14. Thank you! :)

[Stew225]

15. It drives me crazy when they say

you're not patriotic, too. Welcome to DU!

[southernleftylady]

16. Thank you!

[spaceman75]

17. It Drives me crazy...

They really get down on me when I say I support the troops and wear a
flag. They say "oh your one of them." Whatever that means...

[playahata1]

18. Who is "they," may I ask?

Welcome to DU.

[southernleftylady]

19. They = righties

Thank you!

[spaceman75]

23. Who is "They"

The right, who think they are the only ones that can wear the flag.

Thanks for the Welcome. I just found out about this place tonight.

[Vickers]

20. WHO gets down on you for wearing a flag and saying you support the troops?

:shrug:

[spaceman75]

24. Who is the Right

Received some grief while wearing a shirt with the American flag and a Kerry sticker. Sorry about being so vague. will do better.:)

[Vickers]

28. Yeah, I get that sometimes, too. I tell 'em, this flag is mine, too

Don't co-opt it for your partisan purposes.

I actually cuss more in real life, so my actual response might be saltier.

:P

[newyawker99]

34. Hi spaceman75!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Cheneys_former_heart]

21. Support the troops--Bring 'em home!

I know a few guys who just got back from Iraq, and one of them is trying everything he can to get out. He's gained 40 pounds and is trying to eat his way out!!

[kodi]

22. those calling you so are objectively anti-democratic.

"Americans who accuse their fellow citizens of sympathizing with the enemy merely for dissenting from the nation's war aims are objectively anti-democratic."


http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2003_01_05_dneiwert_archive.html#90169184

[proud patriot]

25. See this thread , I had a confrontation yesterday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=1323578

[southernleftylady]

26. AWESOME! good for you! n/t

[davsand]

27. You wanna tell me I don't love my country?

Go for it. My response always has been and always will be that "This nation was founded by political dissidents. Speaking out when I disagree with policy is something I do because I hold with the ideals of those who came before me."

If I REALLY want to piss in their Wheaties, I continue with, "How dare you or ANYONE tell me that I am less of a patriot for honoring every man or woman who has died in defense of the freedoms we hold dear--including that of Free Speech!"

I'm sorry--If they are stupid enough to get in my face I'll be delighted to give them an education on WHAT exactly the the framers had in mind when they drafted the Constitution. Plus, IMO, the best way to honor our troops is to respect the ideals they fight in defense of, and to recognize the huge sacrifice they and those who love them make on our behalf. We owe it to them to not treat them like cannon fodder.

Seems to me, that most of the idjuts turn real green around the time I launch into a lecture on the idea that we honor our fallen best by living the ideals they fought for...

BTW, southernleftylady, welcome to DU!

Laura

[vetwife]

29. Welcome to DU..I got a whole segment on this

on my Take it Back CD. It gives you some ideas of what to say to these folks.
http://cafeshops.com/focusgroupnow.9200633

[southernleftylady]

30. Thank you!

[catzies]

31. Then tell them this great quote by fellow Southerner Mark Twain

"Being a patriot means loving your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it."

[southernleftylady]

33. ohh I love it!

[NRaleighLiberal]

32. ALL True Patriots should see F911...

I am still a relative newbie - can't start my own post yet, so I'm going to tuck a few other points into this one...

My wife and I (as guests of my daugther and her friend) saw F911 in Durham NC last evening. One overriding impression - Michael Moore loves our country, and this is an extremely patriotic film. Those of us who are truly disgusted with the current administration are the real Patriots...we should all be confident in this.

Three other points really stood out for us last night. The extremely effective use of fear over the last three years, the inexplicable effectiveness of repetition of lies to embed them into the sad majority of our country's so-called Minds, and the incredible failure of our media to tell the truth. Boggles the mind....

[newyawker99]

35. Hi nctomatoman!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast: