I'm getting tired of hearing how Clinton "sold nuke secrets to China"

[noahmijo]

From a freeper type:

"Bill Clinton sold ALL of the intelligence on our warhead designs and weapons development including a new way to "simulate" tests (using 50 years worth of data) which would violate treaties or slow down development of multi-staged ICBM's. How much was that, the Clintonistas likely discussed more than once, worth to the Chinese Communists? That's not enough. Tell the chicoms we'll also throw in about 25 years worth of balistic accuracy technology and solving their ICBM decades-old failures from Loral Space Corporation, that guy's a personal friend of mine and if we get enough for that too, why this whole thing could get even more interesting in terms of value to the campaign, the library, past deals left unpaid, and the DNC and NDLC. What a pity to waste so sharp a mind on criminal activity and political, power-hungry narcicism and ruthlessness!"

I have heard this over and over again.

I am not in a current argument with the clown who said this, I just saw it passing through one of the conservative forumns I tend to browse around on for fun just to laugh at their anguish over how their emperor is losing the battle fast.

[calimary]

1. Just fire back with all the nerve gas and other lovely stuff Reagan and

bush1 sold to Saddam.

[truhavoc]

2. The two terms I cannot stand anymore are "Clintonistas" and "Leftists" n/t

[tritsofme]

3. When they pull out this oldey,

it truly means they have nothing left.

Maybe they'll revive Vince Foster again?

[noahmijo]

4. What's the story anyway?

I was in grade school and junior high during the Clinton years, so I'm behind when it comes to charges like this.

I just remember everything going great during those times when Clinton was in office.

I'd say the worst thing to happen during the Clinton years was MTV slowly starting to suck more and more, but that's not really Clinton's fault now :)

[HawkerHurricane]

5. Just ask them how...

Bill Clinton, as attorney general of Arkansas, got ahold of nuclear secrets to sell.

You see, the CIA found out that China might have gotten ahold of our nuclear bomb designs in 1984. Clinton was attorney general of Arkansas. The CIA couldn't confirm it until 1990. They tracked down the leak in 1993, and then gave the information to the FBI, who then started the criminal investigation.

So, Clinton sold nuclear secrets to China that HE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO! How'd he pull that off?

Then ask how how the clown feels about the treason committed by Ronald Reagan, GWHBush and Ollie North, selling weapons to a country that we were technically at war with.

[Dogmudgeon]

6. It's all disinfo

The real culprit was Bechtel Corporation and its agents. This was, in fact, a news item in the 1980s.

They tried to tie Clinton to this because he opened up scientific channels to China. So the Republicans' back-channel scam was immediately rendered unprofitable. But it also became plausable to blame everything on Bill Clinton, which they did. Never mind that anybody with any memory left from the mid-1980s -- who is a political junkie -- will remember the Reagan-Bush-Bechtel troika.

People don't even listen anymore when the Right blames something on Clinton, which, in effect, makes the story go away. Since the deals to China are linked to the current administration, the pressure is on to keep the links quiet. It's the same people -- Rumsfeld, Poppy Bush, Schultz, Cheney, the whole crew of eminences grises that are politically engineering the middle east.

Google search terms: Reagan Bush Bechtel nuclear science transfer China Beijing (use in various combinations)

--bkl

[ConsAreLiars]

7. Debunking link

From: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/091800b.html

Only a careful reading of the text inside the boxes revealed that the principal security breaches under review, particularly the stolen secrets of the W-88 miniaturized nuclear bomb, occurred “sometime between 1984 and 1992,” the Reagan-Bush years. The first test of the lighter warhead occurred in 1992, the last year of the Bush administration.

The illogic of blaming secrets apparently lost during a Republican administration in the 1980s on Democratic fund-raising in 1996 didn’t stop the stampede of media pundits who latched onto the Republican allegations. In spring 1999, “Chinagate” filled a void in Clinton scandals left by Clinton’s impeachment acquittal in the Senate.

[Lefty48197]

8. Here's a website that debunks all the right wing insanity

www.dontbeanidiot.com

[neebob]

9. My mom used to tell me this all the time

until I started refusing to talk politics with her. She's got some book that explains how it all happened, and now the Chinese have all these missiles pointed at both coasts.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

10. >>> CLINTON WAS JUST FOLLOWING THE GOP LEAD LEAD <<<

A few facts this GOP idiot is missing -

1] Both the Reagan and Bush administrations routinely granted waivers to China allowing the launching of US satellites on Chinese rockets. Bush senior did so only two years after Tienanmen Square.

2] The supposed "bribe" - a 100,000 campaign donation the Chinese made to Democrats (that Clinton was unaware of) - is ludicrously small. It played no part in the decision making.

3] Satellite launch is by no means something the U.S. has a monopoly on. The Europeans were also competing for the same contracts - the reason why there was so much pressure to waive the rules.

4] The "technology transfer" that Loral made, as such, was part time advice of a single man, Bansang W. Lee, a Chinese-American rocketry consultant, who attempted to help figure out why Chinese rockets had an unacceptably high failure rate in launching satellites into high Geosynchronous orbit (satellite launch failures are very expensive). A couple of technicians aided them.

5] There is no evidence that this peripheral aid ever improved any Chinese design of a ballistic missile (which - due to their simpler designs and smaller boost requirements tend to be more reliable anyway). It is highly unlikely it would change the deterrence effect.
(In all-out war, having only 600 100 Megaton nuclear warheads on the U.S. rather than 750, is probably not going to make a lot of difference.)

6] If a cable the CIA intercepted (and promptly ignored) was true, the "aid" Bansang Lee gave the Chinese wasn't valued very highly, because there was an allegation that he needed to bribe certain government officials in China to land contracts. You'd think that if he was really selling them "25 years worth of ballistic accuracy technology", they'd want to buy it without a kickback, right?

7] There is absolutely no evidence Clinton knew about the "technology transfer", as such. Apparently a U.S. corporation offering kickbacks is so common, the CIA didn't bother to investigate it.

A little reading for you:
http://www.pulitzer.org/year/1999/national-reporting/works/122498.html


- C.D.