Meet the Press just confirmed to me

[CatWoman]

specifically, Gwen Ifill, that Moore's movie is just as much an indictment against the press in this country, as it if for *.

Just like he cherrypicks information, promoting his delusions while ignoring the obvious, so does the press. Especially Ifill.

[NMDemDist2]

1. yeah we were screaming at her here too n/t

[avenueb]

2. comedy

the only place in the mass media you get any truth these days is comedy shows, like the Daily Show. CNN has kicked into Laci Peterson mode again. They are a joke.

[TheFarseer]

3. I don't give a good God damn about Laci Peterson

Am I alone on this?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. I always care when people are murdered

but sensationalizing her death and the trial is par for the course with tabloid media

[Chovexani]

9. You said it

I trust the Onion more than I trust the local whore papers.

It's just like in Harry Potter, the so-called respectable paper, the Daily Prophet was a tool of the Ministry of Magic and only reported what TPTB wanted people to know...the "Enquirer"-type tabloid rag (I forget the name offhand, Luna Lovegood's parents ran it) was the only one reporting the real news. Crazy.

You know what the really nutty thing about CNN is? CNN International is light years different than regular CNN, they ignore the Laci/Kobe/Crazy Michael Jackson stuff and actually report real news! :crazy:

Goes to show you have to go to the foreign press for everything, even when it's run by an American outfit...

BTW, welcome to DU! :toast:

[silverpatronus]

44. always nice to see another potterfan.

:hi:

[Claire Beth]

5. yeah, the press should have been looking for.....

the FACTS all along instead of kissing Bush's ass!

[ewagner]

Got the impression

That in order to appear on the National Stage with the likes of Russert, you have to be "moderate" in your views. In a sense, any reporter wanting to gain the national spotlight has to trash the left.

[nostamj]

6. Ifill is

IFull of shit!

"they think they're getting FACTS"

[Touchdown]

48. Apple should sue her for putting that "I" in her name.

:evilgrin:

[Stephanie]

7. Gwen Ifill is a Kool Kid

She wants to make sure she still gets her party invitations to the WH. I am appalled by her remarks. She should resign from PBS.

[jdsmith]

11. Resign from PBS?? She's going to be its poster child.

On the Right: Tucker and Gigot. In the Middle: Ifill. See? PBS is really balanced!

[DeepModem Mom]

8. Another thread on Ifill mentions her friendship with Condi --

maybe it affects her perspective.

[Gildor Inglorion]

10. Since I gave up TV 20 years ago, I have no idea..

who you're talking about. Why flagellate yourself and poison your mind watching such drivel? There are other, better sources for news. I've always hated "Meet the Press," anyway, since my father made me watch it in the 1950's when Lawrence E. Spivak was the host. (OOOPS! I've just revealed that I'm older than dirt, haven't I?)

[CatWoman]

13. LOL

(OOOPS! I've just revealed that I'm older than dirt, haven't I?)

welcome to the club :D

[DancingBear]

17. It has LOTS of members

:D :D

[JuniperLea]

14. i have a friend who has done the same

giving up on watching tv news and reading anything but the sports and entertainment sections of newspapers. i've considered it, but i found i really want to know what the masses of 'sheeple' are being fed.

[Kali]

32. Don't worry you'll still get it

When I first heard someone advocate not watching or reading the news I was appalled - how could you tell what was going on in the world. Its important to be informed etc etc. You are NOT informed by that crap and trust me even if you try as hard as you can it will still seep in. I quit TV about 12 years ago and I don't know who any of the talking heads are anymore (hannity and the rest) but their message still gets through. Trust me you won't miss anything, and you will begin to gain time and dignity! It is so freeing to not HAVE to watch or read that crap - and all the subtle smaller stories that are what REALLY influence the conformity and fear in our culture - all the murder and crime stories with the hispanic names attached, the photos of criminals that always seem to be people of color, the local standoffs with the police and all of that propaganda that is NOT real or important in the big picture. Of course after a while when you do encounter a TV it will make you feel REALLY weird, especially commercials...and then you know you have escaped something vaguely evil and frightening.

[Beam Me Up]

16. I don't know about dirt but I'm 56 -- and I agree STOP WATCHING TV!!

You DO NOT NEED IT. I'm one of the "best informed" people I know and I haven't watched TV in years. People come to me and ask "What is going on?" -- They want to know what the corporate owned whore media IS NOT telling them!

TV sucks. It is an addiction. An addiction to CONSUMERISM. Vote with your attention. Vote with your dollars. Get Madison Ave and Wall Street as far out of your moment by moment life as you can.

[OETKB]

12. Gwen Ifill Shows Her Hand

I also found Ms. Ifill's remarks over the top. She is questioning the time sequence of a non-chronological film without any evidence of investigatory work to back it up. This makes her part of the right "Noise Machine." Michael presented a series of "coincidences" and even in the film castigates the press and all of Congress for not being more diligent in their duties to ferret these things out. Let's not fall into the trap of these right wing sponsored people by letting them set the agenda and letting them use their so called experts who are only there to represent one side.

[gratuitous]

24. Moore fuzzing up the time sequence?

Why, that's the media's province of storytelling ledgerdemain! How dare he!

Keep in mind the actual chronology later this summer when more stories of Allied torture and pictures thereof keep dribbling out: The torture at Abu Ghraib, carried out by our brave soldiers on our dime, was occurring late in 2003 and early in 2004 (September to January or February). The "contractors" burned and hung from the bridge in Fallujah were killed in March. So, when the media try to sell you the line that the Abu Ghraib torture (and the torture that happened in other prisons that we don't know about yet) was somehow in retaliation, remember that we "retaliated" months before there was anything to retaliate for.

[Sparky McGruff]

33. I always wondered if the hangings in Fallujah were "personal"

Three "contractors" strung up on a bridge to make a statement. I wondered from the moment I heard of it whether it was "personal". Could an Iraqi have recognized them as having tortured them? I don't know... But I sort of doubt the "official" story that a couple of Blackwater guys were simply travelling around the country trying to repair power lines (or whatever "official" reconstruction work they were supposed to be doing...)

[carpetbagger]

45. It was personal, but probably not that personal.

Everyone, including our real soldiers, hates these guys. Think about it. You're some GI making about a tenth of their salary, and here they are riding around with the shades and the SUV's, pointing their guns at you, and generally making your job at winning over the locals greatly more difficult.

Now if you're some Iraqi civilian, with no great love for either the US or Saddam Hussein, who just wants electricity, work, and safety. Forget about democracy, vengeance, Islamic theocracy, pipelines to Israel, or whatever your dream is. You're just trying to get by.

It's bad enough that a foreign army is in your town, but you kinda admit they did you some service in taking down Saddam, even though you want them to just go away. But they go into houses, and you never know whether you will be taken off by mistake.

Now add these guys going around roughing up people in their shades and SUV's, doing basically whatever the hell they want, which is what they've been doing. And they don't stick around to at least buy you off with some clean water, candy, construction supplies, or whatever.

I'd want a piece of them, too. And I think the Iraqis have been much more gracious towards them than we would be towards Arab mercenaries tooling around the streets of a similarly radical and semi-small town, say Waco, Texas.

[newyawker99]

30. Hi OETKB!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[dusty64]

15. It certainly is,

it says it all that the truth has to be exposed in a movie when it was ignored and shoved under the rug by our corporate media, which has become nothing more than a blatant propaganda outlet for extreme rightwing spew and lies.

[MikeG]

18. Gwen and Condi are pals. Condi's been to her house I hear.

[AussieInCA]

19. MTP is total vomit today - NT

puke

[LittleApple81]

20. I think I watched MTP before you did, and I even posted an Ifill thread

because it made me so upset that a PBS person could be so biased.

[CatWoman]

22. the bitch

:grr:

another lying liar.

[mitchum]

27. What Catwoman said

[mzmolly]

21. I agree CatWoman, and wonder how can we hold the press accountable!?

They trumped up this war, whipping the American public into a frenzy. The had programs dedicated to the war "showdown with saddam" and "countdown iraq" etc... what do those titles imply? WAR. Interestingly enough, GE owns the tele stations and makes weapons being used in Iraq today.

AGAIN I ASK, HOW DO WE HOLD THE MEDIA ACCOUNTABLE? A mass GE boycott might be a start?

[nodictators]

40. GE is also "rebuilding" the Iraqi electric power system

I'll bet they are making BIG buck$ there too.

[maggrwaggr]

49. gee, I'm so glad my tax dollars are rebuilding Iraq's power system

considering my tax dollars were also used to destroy it.

And considering my tax dollars are being used to not hire US workers in Iraq, and not even Iraqis, but Indonesians who will work for $3 a day.

Somebody plug the leak. This country's going broke fast.

[monchie]

23. I've had some interesting conversations about Shrub with co-workers...

...especially those who are libs but aren't as aware of things as many of us are. That's not their fault, because the mainstream media--and especially shows like Timmy "Cheney's Bitch" Russert's "Meet the Press"--has ignored these things, and you really have to be a Net-trawling political junkie to be aware of them.

A few days ago, I mentioned to one coworker that just a few days after Shrub's brother and the Supremos were successful at stealing the election for him, he met with the congressional leadership and said publicly: "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

My co-worker's reaction was "Go on. He said that???"

So I did a quick google and showed her the quote from a CNN transcript. Needless to say, she was shocked.

Interestingly, the first part of that quote (up to "easier") is included in F911. I'm sure most audience members were hearing it for the first time.

Now I wish that Moore had included Shrub's callous trifecta "joke."

[Eloriel]

35. THREE times he said it -- here are links

And I'm indebted to BEFOREATHOUGHT for these:

"It's not a dictatorship in Washington, but I tried to make it one in that instance." - George W. Bush Jan. 15, 2004
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&conten... ¬Found=true

“If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.” – George W. Bush - December 18, 2000 http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html

"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it," – George W. Bush - July 30, 2001 http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jul2001/nf20010730_347.htm

[Kimber Scott]

25. I think it's interesting what they protest the loudest about is the Saudis

Poor Saudis. Moore is being unfair to them. Interesting... To say the least.

[devinsgram]

26. The press knows it has been caught

lying down on the job and they don't like it. Lets face it, had they done the job they were supposed to do, this movie would not had to been made. Now they have to contend with the wrath of the people.

[chimpymustgo]

28. IFill was absolutely disgusting.

Shaking her head in sadness and disgust at the stupid, misguided lefties who actually believe Moore lies.

She is sick.

[Eloriel]

36. Did she even see the movie?

I don't know how it can be called a pack of lies. I haven't yet seen it, but all the reports I've read lead me to believe that for the most part it's a bunch of their own goddamned words (lies and other damning evidence) strung together.

Anyway, the small part of it I saw, it didn't seem like she'd seen it -- tho of course had no trouble passing judgment on it nonetheless.

[giant_robot]

29. I'm glad that other people caught that

and it wasn't just me who was incredulous. What in the hell was was Ifill trying to say, anyway? The woman wasn't making a lot of sense to me. You can hardly be shocked when Moore presents the facts to cast the administration in a bad light. I think that was the point of the film, after all.

[chimpymustgo]

31. "In a time a WAR".

These traitors - watching F11, and believing it - "In a time of war."

Unbelievable. The government stenographers are working overtime.

[JitterbugPerfume]

38. sigh

PBS used to be my rock Now I no longe contribute or watch

TV is really a "vast wasteland"

[goclark]

34. More details on Condi and Ifill

I wish I could remember the time frame. I know it was within the last year or so. There was a CSPAN or PBS feed of a Conference that was being held by the Black Journalist Association. Ms. Ifill,who I felt was fair and balanced then, was the moderator.

I was surprised that CONDI(who at the time was in hot water about something that this sorry Misadministration had done) was the featured speaker.

Ifill was just gushing over Condi in her introduction. Then, when Condi started to speak, she gushed over Gwen.

I can't remember which one said it but one or the other spoke about what a wonderful cook the other was,one mentioned having dinner at the home of the "great cook".. it was praise, praise, praise.

At the time, I was shocked! First because as an African American, I could not imagine such gush from a reporter about Condi! By that time, African Americans knew that Condi was just a flunky for Bush.

All this time I have wondered what their connection was/is. I also wondered how there was such extensive press coverage of the Black Journalist Conference. I bet it was because there was pressure from the WH to make it appear that Condi was "loved" by her people

-NOT!

[goclark]

42. Found This link to their friendship

As I just said, Condi and Gweny have a beautiful friendship. Everytime that Condi wants to spin something,she goes right to Gweny.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/july-dec03/rice_7-30.html

[U4ikLefty]

37. The best she could do was to say that Moore was "over the top"

about the Saudi-Bush connection. Very dishonest.

Becuase of people like Gwen Ifill, I am going to see the movie one more time. Box office, baby!!!

[hiphopnation]

39. Russert bugs me more than Ifill by orders of magnitude. n/t

[monchie]

41. You mean Timmy "I'm Cheney's Bitch" Russert?

n/t

[hiphopnation]

43. His framing of questions

is so slanted it defies explination. He's really quite adept at it.

Couple of times this morning he almost had a truly objective and lucid question but at the last minute he throws his right-wing twist on it... :puke:

[Zomby Woof]

46. it helps to call the show

"Press The Meat", because that is what it is, a mutual masturbation fest.

[Kahuna]

47. Anybody got an email for Ms. Ifill. I think she needs to hear from us all

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[radfringe]

50. I thought F-9/11 was as fair and balanced as

Faux news...

what's wrong with that?

[stevebreeze]

51. is MTP the only sabbath gasbag show to mention F911?

I do a lot of station flipping but did not even see F911 mentioned on any other show. How much did they talk about Mel Gibson's biblical misrepresentation the week it was released? I just always got questions when it comes to the press.