CNN discussing F 9/11 on political roundup NOW

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[Cannikin]

1. kick

[Lefty48197]

2. This movie could move some people to oppose Bush

said the lady from the Christian Science Monitor.

[LittleApple81]

3. keep us informed please (my son is monopolizing the TeeVeee)... n/t

[Cannikin]

4. Overall it was positive...

It was the usual 'most of them going to see the film have already made up their minds'

with the other line 'But it could sway a few undecideds'

[William Seger]

12. Moore's target audience

Moore says he is mainly trying to reach the kind of people who don't ordinarily vote. I have to believe that a LOT of those people will see this movie, just to see what all the hype is about, and I really can't see how very many of them could come out unaffected. "A few undecideds" in the typical polling category of "likely voters" may not be *'s biggest problem, by any means. The real effect of this movie may not be apparent until the election.

[TacticalPeek]

5. Terry Neal said Nadir missed making the ballot in Oregon.

I believe this was in limbo last night. Is Saint Ralph out in Oregon (hope hope)?

From a poster at Eschaton:

Hi Everyone,

I went to a high school in Portland this evening to watch Ralph Nader's latest attempt to get on the Oregon ballot. He needed to do two things: get 1,000 Oregonians in a single room and get 1,000 valid signatures of registered voters on a nominating petition.

He did succeed on the first step, although it was close. According to election officials, there were 1,150 people in the high school auditorium when the doors were closed. But on the second requirement it's going to be very close. Some of the people who went in are bound to have problems with their registrations, so he won't have much room for error.

If Nader does make it on the ballot, it will only be due to the active help of the Republican party. Various Republican groups have been running phone banks in Oregon this past week, trying to get their members to show up, and there's no question that it worked. From what I saw, about a third of the attendees fit the classic country-club-Republican model: expensive clothes, expensive jewelry, expensive watches, expensive tans. They gingerly tiptoed in, trying not to brush up against the more hygenically-challenged hippies, and they only stayed as long as they had to. As soon as the count was done and the petitions were signed, the Republicans made their exit before Nader even started his speech.

Outside the school, political passions were running hot. It was the first major clash of the November election and a lot of people had some emotions to get off their chests. Some 30 or 40 young, eager Nader volunteers tried to shepard the attendees through a large crowd of protesters, while people chanted and waved signs saying "Nader = Bush" and "Ralph Nader Made This War Possible." To add to the chaos, most of the cars driving by were eagerly honking their horns, although there was no way of knowing if the honks were for the protestors or the candidates.

I saw several heated arguments although (fortunately) there were no fistfights. Several people asked the Nader volunteers to explain why they were willing to help re-elect Bush, but the answers seemed formulaic and rehearsed. I never got a good sense of what they were actually thinking. When I tried to talk to one young Naderite, she earnestly informed me that there was no difference between the two major parties and that it was Clinton who invaded Afghanistan. Oy.

In the whole course of the evening, not one person mentioned the Supreme Court and the lasting impact that this presidential election could have. The whole exercise had the feel of a Hare Krishna convention.

In any case, Nader may now be on the ballot and we'll just have to work a little bit harder for Kerry. Reporting from the front lines, I am... an Oregonian.
Oregonian | Email | Homepage | 06.26.04 - 11:29 pm | #

[Kimber Scott]

7. Great post.

:kick:

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6. Host tried to press the issue about preaching to the choir.

The guy from WP and lady from the CSM would have none of it. Both agreed that with the Sooldier's mother and others telling Moore's story for him, it may have an impact. The WP guy also mentioned that Citizens United was a "Conservative group" and what they're doing would be a moot point, since July 30th is more than a month away.

Both said it's still early in the election and that F9/11 would have less an impact on the election, since people so easily forget things. The DVD release in Sep or Oct, was ignored though.

[LittleApple81]

8. Sorry for them. Moore's ouvre tends to stick in your memory a lot

longer than Shrek.

[Cha]

9. Yeah...they're showing their

disingenousness..they wish it would go away! As this awesome review in the "Las Vegas Mercury" shows..It's an indictment of the media and they can't stand it.

http://www.lasvegasmercury.com/2004/MERC-Jun-24-Thu-2004/24162082.html

"Burning Bush: Fahrenheit 9/11 is a timely exposé of Dubya's perfidy and the media's subservience"

[GiovanniC]

10. About the "Preaching to the Choir" Defense

Moore may be largely preaching to the choir. But I know that's not what's happening entirely, because I took a registered Republican with me to see this film, and she walked away vowing not to vote for Bush. She wouldn't promise to vote Kerry, but no Bush this November.

But here's what I think about the "preaching to the choir" thing. Sometimes the choir doesn't know what to sing until they hear the preacher's message. There are some people who read the Bible on their own -- in the context of this metaphor, that would include many people on this site. But many others hear most of the Bible's message from their preacher. Then, they go out and tell the "unwashed heathens."

Preaching to the choir has some value.

[Cha]

11. It's just like the media to

find a tired, worn, cliche and stick with it.

[Mz Pip]

14. Preaching to the Choir

Sometimes yo0u have to preach real loud to wake up those folks in the back of the choir, too.

I remember how angry so many people were after the 2000 selection. Then the anger seems to dissipate as people got on with their lives. Seeing this film will remind people how mad they were two years ago. If it gets them to the polls in November, it's a good thing.

MzPip
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[Still_Loves_John]

13. It was interesting

The two panelists seemed like they had seen the movie, and that it had affected them. The host sounded like she hadn't and was just asking some rote questions.

It's weird, the host came off as so cold, and I really think it's because she hasn't seen it. This movie really has an impact on people, and I can't wait to see what happens once enough people see it.