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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 03:23 PM
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Nazis in the Republican Party
The other day I posted some information on Nazi links to the Republican Party after Bush tried to imply in an ad that the democrats are Nazis.

A Fresh Look
by Carla Binion
Nazis and the Republican Party

Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in BLOWBACK that after World War II, Nazi émigrés were
given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U.S. These Nazis assumed prominent positions
in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees." Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not
come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas.

snip

Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll "for
their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare," among other purposes. The most important Nazi
employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's most senior eastern front military intelligence officer. After
Germany's defeat became certain, Gehlen offered the U.S. certain concessions in exchange for his own
protection. Gehlen promoted hyped up cold war propaganda on behalf of the political right in this country, and
helped shape U.S. perceptions of the cold war.


Journalist Russ Bellant (OLD NAZIS, THE NEW RIGHT, AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY) shows that
Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican émigré network. Pasztor, who served as
adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate
Hungary's Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council.


Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week,
disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The
article prompted six leaders of Bush's coalition to resign.
According to Russ Bellant, Nazi collaborators involved in the Republican Party included:
1.Radi Slavoff, GOP Heritage Council's executive director, and head of "Bulgarians for Bush." Slavoff was a
member of a Bulgarian fascist group, and he put together an event in Washington honoring Holocaust
denier, Austin App.
2.Florian Galdau, director of GOP outreach efforts among Romanians, and head of "Romanians for Bush."
Galdau was once an Iron Guard recruiter, and he defended convicted Nazi war criminal Valerian Trifa.
3.Nicholas Nazarenko, leader of a Cossack GOP ethnic unit. Nazarenko was an ex-Waffen SS officer.
4.Method Balco, GOP activist. Balco organized yearly memorials for a Nazi puppet regime.
5.Walter Melianovich, head of the GOP's Byelorussian unit. Melianovich worked closely with many Nazi
groups.
6.Bohdan Fedorak, leader of "Ukrainians for Bush." Fedorak headed a Nazi group involved in anti-Jewish
wartime pogroms.


more

http://www.bartcop.com/nazigop.htm


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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 03:27 PM
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1. Nazis in the Republican Party?
I'm shocked! Shocked I say!

Wasn't Schwartznegger's dad an officer in the Austrian army while they were under Nazi domination?
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 03:35 PM
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2. I'm no fan of Ahnuld
But he's come clean about his family's past as Nazis. FWIW, often people who have that in their background are more sensitive to those issues than the rest of us.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 03:38 PM
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3. Not possible.
There was no Austrian army while they were under Nazi domination. Austria was annexed outright; the entire country became a province of Germany and its citizens (minus the 'undesiribles') became German citizens.
Arnie's dad, if he served in the military at that time, would have served in the German army.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 03:45 PM
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4. Here's some more information
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853#199887

Octafish (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-03 01:18 AM
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24. Remember Russ Belant and Chip Berlet .

Thanks for a great post, too, Bob DU Drummer Friend! Working together to spread the word on the Little Turd from Crawford and Vast Reich Wing Conspiracy he fronts for is how we can speed the day.

For those who don't know Russ Belant and Chip Berlet, they are investigative reporters associated with Political Research Associates of Cambridge, Massachusetts.

A review from an unknown author:

Old Nazis & The New Right

by Russ Bellant

If you can bear to think back to the 1988 presidential election, you'll recall that at one point Bush had to dismiss several Nazis from the top of his campaign committee. This article discusses the role that fascists and Nazi collaborators have played in the new right's subversion of traditional Republican values. Bellant focuses on the Republican Heritage Groups Council, a Nazi nest which Bush and Reagan have courted in their pursuit of power. It was Bellant's research which forced the dismissal of some of Bush's Nazi friends from the campaign committee, but as Bellant points out, While Bush campaign spokespersons pledged there would be an investigation into the background and views of the CAN members whose resignations it had announced, no serious investigation ever took place and the campaign repeatedly referred to the charges as unsubstantiated politically-motivated smears. Several of the persons who had been reported as resigning told journalists they had never been asked to resign and considered themselves still active with the Bush campaign.

Here's an excerpt from their work:

What distinguishes Nazism from generic fascism is its obsession with racial theories of superiority, and some would say, its roots in the socialist theory of proletarian revolution.

Fascism and Nazism as ideologies involve, to varying degrees, some of the following hallmarks:

*** Nationalism and super-patriotism with a sense of historic mission.

*** Aggressive militarism even to the extent of glorifying war as good for the national or individual spirit.

*** Use of violence or threats of violence to impose views on others (fascism and Nazism both employed street violence and state violence at different moments in their development).

*** Authoritarian reliance on a leader or elite not constitutionally responsible to an electorate.

*** Cult of personality around a charismatic leader.

*** Reaction against the values of Modernism, usually with emotional attacks against both liberalism and communism.

*** Exhortations for the homogeneous masses of common folk (Volkish in German, Populist in the U.S.) to join voluntarily in a heroic mission_often metaphysical and romanticized in character.

*** Dehumanization and scapegoating of the enemy_seeing the enemy as an inferior or subhuman force, perhaps involved in a conspiracy that justifies eradicating them.

*** The self image of being a superior form of social organization beyond socialism, capitalism and democracy.

*** Elements of national socialist ideological roots, for example, ostensible support for the industrial working class or farmers; but ultimately, the forging of an alliance with an elite sector of society.

*** Abandonment of any consistent ideology in a drive for state power.

It is vitally important to understand that fascism and Nazism are not biologically or culturally determinant. Fascism does not attach to the gene structure of any specific group or nationality. Nazism was not the ultimate expression of the German people. Fascism did not end with World War II.

After Nazi Germany surrendered to the Allies, the geopolitical landscape of Europe was once again drastically altered. In a few short months, some of our former fascist enemies became our allies in the fight to stop the spread of communism. The record of this transformation has been laid out in a series of books. U.S. recruitment of the Nazi spy apparatus has been chronicled in books ranging from by Hohne & Zolling, to the recent by Simpson. The laundering of Nazi scientists into our space program is chronicled in by Bowers. The global activities of, and ongoing fascist role within, the World Anti-Communist League were described in by Anderson and Anderson. Bellant's bibliography cites many other examples of detailed and accurate reporting of these disturbing realities.

SOURCE:

—Russ Bellant (Chip Berlet, Introduction) “Old NAZIs, the New Right and the Reagan Administration: The Role of Domestic Fascist Networks in the Repubican Party and Their Effect on U.S. Cold War Politics.” 1988. Political Research Associates, Cambridge, Mass.

PS: We can't forget Mae Brussell and her work in this area. THe late Ms. Brussell documented the connection between the NAZIs and the events in Dallas of November 22, 1963.
==========================

And here are two Mae Brussell links:
http://www.maebrussell.com/index.html

and her diagram of interacting players: http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mbspiderweb2,21,83.htm


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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 03:47 PM
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5. Some Operation Paperclip Links
How we recruited Nazis to work for the CIA and as scientists in the U.S. just after WW2:

Ratlines: The CIA and the Nazis (Tarpley)
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm

CIA's Worst Kept Secret
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/051601a.html

Project Paperclip and Camp Evans (in N.J.)
http://www.infoage.org/paperclip.html

Opn Paperclip (Namebase)
http://www.namebase.org/main3/Operation-Paperclip.html


Project Paperclip: Nazi Scientists Who Performed Human Experimentation in the U. S. http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.htm

Project Paperclip and Literal Nazi Connections
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/paperclip.html
Resources on Human Experimentation by Nazi Doctorszi Experimentation
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html
and Resources on Nonconsensual Human Experimentation
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html

Operation Paperclip Revisited: Moral Schmoral By RICHARD THIEME, August 22, 2003
http://www.counterpunch.org/thieme08222003.html

MKULTRA
Mindfield (Globe Intel) http://www.gordonthomas.ie/mindfield.htm

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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 08:31 AM
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7. Thanks for adding this on.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 04:26 PM
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6. More history of how real Nazis found a political home in the Republican
Edited on Sun Jun-27-04 04:27 PM by bobthedrummer
Party- don't forget, there have always been Third Reich admirers in the USA. And the RW attempted a coup against FDR.

The 1930's: Nazis Parading on Main Street
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/1930s.html

WWII: Corporate Traitors
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/waryearsp5.html

President Clinton's administration prosecuted Nazis
http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/hr071498/holtzman.html

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/hr071498/maloney.html

Operation LAST CHANCE: Simon Wiesenthal is 95, he's called a last push to catch Nazis in hiding before they die of old age
http://www.guardian.co.uk/germany/article/0,2763,1218337,00.html
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 01:09 PM
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8. Oh, THIS needs a good, swift
:kick:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 02:02 PM
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9. And obviously another
:kick:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 02:06 PM
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10. Why not another?
:kick:

The SOB's pander to the KKK crowd down South. I guess they need to make a special appeal to the Jew-haters who may get confused by Christian fundies supporting Israel (for the time being).
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 11:24 AM
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17. Where's my badge?
Edited on Tue Jun-29-04 11:36 AM by seemslikeadream


Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son?
Oh, where have you been, my darling young one?
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains,
I've walked and I've crawled on six crooked highways,
I've stepped in the middle of seven sad forests,
I've been out in front of a dozen dead oceans,
I've been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Oh, what did you see, my blue-eyed son?
Oh, what did you see, my darling young one?
I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it,
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin',
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin',
I saw a white ladder all covered with water,
I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken,
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

And what did you hear, my blue-eyed son?
And what did you hear, my darling young one?
I heard the sound of a thunder, it roared out a warnin',
Heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world,
Heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazin',
Heard ten thousand whisperin' and nobody listenin',
Heard one person starve, I heard many people laughin',
Heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter,
Heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Oh, who did you meet, my blue-eyed son?
Who did you meet, my darling young one?
I met a young child beside a dead pony,
I met a white man who walked a black dog,
I met a young woman whose body was burning,
I met a young girl, she gave me a rainbow,
I met one man who was wounded in love,
I met another man who was wounded with hatred,
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Oh, what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son?
Oh, what'll you do now, my darling young one?
I'm a-goin' back out 'fore the rain starts a-fallin',
I'll walk to the depths of the deepest black forest,
Where the people are many and their hands are all empty,
Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters,
Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison,
Where the executioner's face is always well hidden,
Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten,
Where black is the color, where none is the number,
And I'll tell it and think it and speak it and breathe it,
And reflect it from the mountain so all souls can see it,
Then I'll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin',
But I'll know my song well before I start singin',
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

dylan

one of those drummers is right here and a few whispers too!
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 08:01 PM
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11. Here is a Right-Wingers response to this topic
Ironic it is. Communists in the Soviet Union recruited Nazis in the late 1940s to 1950s. They needed their skills in technology, like their space program and rockets to use against America. Also, Communists smuggled Nazis into the Middle East. One of them is an agent named Kim Philbin so of Jack Philbin. The people who propelled the Holocaust Denial movement were Communists like Roger Garaudy and Robert Farisson, Noam Chomsky's friend and defender. Garaudy is now a Muslim and an avowed Communist. In the Soviet Union, textbooks omitted the Holocaust, but justified the pogroms against Jews because they were seen as agents of capitalism and Zionism. Also, some Nazis advocated that Germany have more relationship with the Soviet Union because they saw it as more White then America. Ironically, Soviet Union is not entirely White either. In addition many leftist populists in Latin America had sympathy for Nazis, especially in South America. The sympathy for Nazis in South America was widespread from Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru, Uruguay, and Paraguay. One of them Juan Peron helped Nazis escape, which explains why Argentina was a Nazis haven after World War II. In addition, many Nazis, including former SS officers, were involved in terrorism in the Middle East and many worked for PLO, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and numerous other Islamic terrorist groups. Nazis and Neo-Nazis called for alliance with Muslims, most notably Francois Genoud, a Nazis finacier from France who handled assets and used it to defend Nazis at court and help them escape and engage in terrorism. Some Nazis and Neo-Nazis even converted to Islam, like Ahmed Huber. Many Middle Eastern nations' government sympathized with Nazis and welcomed them into their nations and were treated as honored guests, mainly Egypt and Syria.

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 08:12 PM
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12. Kicking this for all of the mewling nitwits who want us to "lay off the ..
Hitler references"
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:05 PM
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13. "Repuke" Is Just Another Name FOR "Nazi" n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 08:32 AM
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14. American NAZIs hated FDR. They still don't like the New Deal...
... or the Fair Deal, or the New Frontier, or the Great Society or public education, or Civil Rights, or Equality or anything that makes life better for ALL Americans.

The Attempted Coup Against FDR

By Barbara LaMonica

The John F. Kennedy assassination represents a theme in our political history. The causes, even the inevitability, of the assassination were born out of the power struggles among the ruling elite which are consistent throughout the American story. These struggles revolve around questions of what is the proper role of government vis a vis the business community’s pursuit of its own self-interest. Is the government’s role minimal or laissez-faire? Should government only provide a stable environment of "law and order", through increased police powers, conducive to the maximization of profits and the minimization of workers wages and benefits? Or does the government have a higher purpose? Is it responsible for the common good? Is it the one entity capable of implementing justice, equality, and a partial redistribution of wealth through the regulation and taxation of corporations in order to provide a cushion against the more egregious effects of the free market? Should it ensure the worker’s share in the profits they helped to create?

At various times factions of what has become known as "corporate America" have argued over which role of government is ultimately more advantageous to their own ends. Generally speaking, banking and Wall Street favor less government. Retail, light manufacturing and small to medium size corporations are more tolerant of an activist government which might put more money in the hands of their consumers, and protect small businesses against the unfair competitive practices of larger corporations.

The stock market crash of 1929 and the ensuing Great Depression dramatically thrust the question of government’s role to the forefront of American political and corporate life. The election of Franklin Delano Roosevelt represented a revolutionary realignment of political power: the ascendancy of the Democratic party facilitated by new voting coalitions of rural south and industrialized north which dislodged the Republican Party’s nearly seventy-year dominance, signaling the abandonment of laissez-faire economics in favor of state regulation. The losers in this political process coalesced into right-wing Republicanism, and the next sixty years of American history is, in part, the story of their attempt to regain power, reinstitute Lassiez-faire policies, and dismantle the New Deal.1 I would like to suggest that the forces behind the assassination of President Kennedy were born in the furies which the Great Depression unleashed between these competing sectors of American political and economic life.

I believe that in 1934 there was a foreshadowing of the JFK assassination. A conspiracy was uncovered in which right-wing elements of big business, namely the DuPont family and the Morgan banking interests, planned to finance and arm a veteran’s army to march on the White House and hold President Roosevelt captive.2 The conspiracy was reported by two- time Congressional Medal of Honor winner Marine Corps Major General Smedley Darlington Butler. Although the House Committee to Investigate Un-American Activities found his allegations credible, it failed to call major conspirators to testify, and the Committee deleted crucial testimony from its final report to the public. The press relegated the story to the back pages, and discredited those, including Major Butler, who tried to alert the public to the threat against republican government. No prosecutions were forthcoming from the Justice Department, in part because the main witness who would have substantiated Butler’s claims died suddenly from pneumonia at the age of 37. In short, there was a cover-up, maybe worse.

CONTINUED TREASON TO THIS FUCKING DAY BY NAZIS NEO-CONS KKK MAFIA RIGHTWINGKOOKS ILLIBERAL BEDWETTING OCTOPUS BFEE BASTIDS...

http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr399-fdr.html
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 08:49 AM
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15. More Background on Bush/Nazi:
George Bush - The Unauthorized Biography
by Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin

http://www.kmf.org/williams/bushbook.html

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 11:03 AM
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16. "Blowback" excerpts online...
A Discreet Silence

excerpted from the book

Blowback
America's recruitment of Nazis,
and its disastrous effect on our domestic and foreign policy


by Christopher Simpson
Collier / Macmillan, 1988

EXCERPT...

Contrary to the promises once made inside secret U.S. government councils that the use of such persons would be of practical benefit to this country, the truth is that these Nazi utilization programs have frequently been disasters, even when all ethical considerations are laid aside; Their behind-the-lines spy teams are now known to have been largely nonexistent, and those that did exist were laced with Soviet double agents. Instead of building a relatively airtight anti-Communist spy service, the same old boy circles used to recruit former Nazis ended up giving the USSR a relatively easy way to penetrate legitimate U.S. intelligence gathering on Soviet military capabilities and intentions. U.S.-sponsored secret warfare campaigns employing these recruits failed consistently, leading to the arrests, imprisonments, and sometimes executions of thousands of Eastern Europeans.

The government's use of Nazis and collaborators in intelligence programs has also left a mark on life in the United States itself. This impact is what is known in spy jargon as "blowback," meaning unexpected-and negative effects at home that result from covert operations overseas.

Often blowback from CIA clandestine work abroad has been no more (and no less) alarming than, say, a fraudulent news report planted in a European magazine that later shows up in U.S. publications as fact. Sometimes, however, the problem has become far more serious. In a case revealed here for the first time, an organization of former SS and German military intelligence experts provided false information that nearly led to World War III. In another instance Senator Joseph McCarthy employed a secret U.S. espionage squad made up in part of Nazi collaborators to gather slanderous information used to smear political opponents.

Despite these negative consequences, the existence of U.S. operations employing ex-Nazis has remained a carefully kept secret in the West. There has been a certain convergence of powerful interests, rather than the great conspiracy that some critics have alleged, that has kept this story buried. The American government, for example, has not been inclined to publicize the men and women involved in sensitive "national security" missions. Many U.S. documents concerning these programs have been systematically purged from the files and destroyed, and the majority of the records that remain are still classified above "secret." Most of the men who put together the U.S. program-including the CIA's former chief of clandestine operations Frank Wisner and his boss, CIA Director Allen Dulles-are dead. Most of those who are still alive refuse to talk.

CONTINUED NAZI-CONSERVATIVE SHIT...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/DiscreetSilence_B_CS.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 11:30 AM
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18. I've found my badge now where in the hell are my blinders?
Edited on Tue Jun-29-04 11:38 AM by seemslikeadream


"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."

All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.

Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

It's a dylan morning




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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:48 PM
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19. It's ALWAYS a Dylan morning. Better "Blowback" link, too.
First: Better link to "Blowback."

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Blowback_CSimpson.html


Second: My thinks re Morning in Dylan's America:

The Drifter's Escape

"Oh, help me in my weakness,"
I heard the drifter say,
As they carried him from the courtroom
And were taking him away.
"My trip hasn't been a pleasant one
And my time it isn't long,
And I still do not know
What it was that I've done wrong."

Well, the judge, he cast his robe aside,
A tear came to his eye,
"You fail to understand," he said,
"Why must you even try?"
Outside, the crowd was stirring,
You could hear it from the door.
Inside, the judge was stepping down,
While the jury cried for more.

"Oh, stop that cursed jury,"
Cried the attendant and the nurse,
"The trial was bad enough,
But this is ten times worse."
Just then a bolt of lightning
Struck the courthouse out of shape,
And while ev'rybody knelt to pray
The drifter did escape.

Copyright © 1968; renewed 1996 Dwarf Music

Hendrix did a dynamite version of this lil' hymn on "Loose Ends."

Third: I've been thinking about that badge.



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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:05 PM
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20. In hopes that Dwolper
finds this thread... :kick: :kick: :kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 11:32 AM
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23. Interesting quote that provides some perspective
"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer do not think."

-- Adolf Hitler.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:19 PM
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21. Will the circle be unbroken?


Oh, the age of the inmates
I remember quite freely:
No younger than twelve,
No older 'n seventeen.
Thrown in like bandits
And cast off like criminals,
Inside the walls,
The walls of Red Wing.

From the dirty old mess hall
You march to the brick wall,
Too weary to talk
And too tired to sing.
Oh, it's all afternoon
You remember your home town,
Inside the walls,
The walls of Red Wing.

Oh, the gates are cast iron
And the walls are barbed wire.
Stay far from the fence
With the 'lectricity sting.
And it's keep down your head
And stay in your number,
Inside the walls,
The walls of Red Wing.

Oh, it's fare thee well
To the deep hollow dungeon,
Farewell to the boardwalk
That takes you to the screen.
And farewell to the minutes
They threaten you with it,
Inside the walls,
The walls of Red Wing.

It's many a guard
That stands around smilin',
Holdin' his club
Like he was a king.
Hopin' to get you
Behind a wood pilin',
Inside the walls,
The walls of Red Wing.

The night aimed shadows
Through the crossbar windows,
And the wind punched hard
To make the wall-siding sing.
It's many a night I pretended to be a-sleepin',
Inside the walls,
The walls of Red Wing.

As the rain rattled heavy
On the bunk-house shingles,
And the sounds in the night,
They made my ears ring.
'Til the keys of the guards
Clicked the tune of the morning,
Inside the walls,
The walls of Red Wing.

Oh, some of us'll end up
In St. Cloud Prison,
And some of us'll wind up
To be lawyers and things,
And some of us'll stand up
To meet you on your crossroads,
From inside the walls,
The walls of Red Wing.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-04 08:09 AM
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27. Maybe that's why we're here...to provide the means.


Then, again...



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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:36 PM
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22. Kick the Nazis out of our house!
:kick: Adolph Bush out
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 02:17 PM
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24. First folks have to realize
how many been hiding in the closets of the main rooms for DECADES!!!
:kick:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 02:46 PM
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25. The Ghost of Adolph Hitler: Nazi Influence in America
Who Won WWII?
“As the world enemy wages war against the White Race and Western Civilization in every corner of the world, we have found that the ONLY WAY to shock our people awake is through BOLD ACTION. Too many others would rather try to TALK the problem away, while we realize that the time has come to FIGHT!” That from http://www.library.wwu.edu/cbl/piper/Internet/Nazi.htm , a web site of the American Nazi Party. With the election of Arnold Schwarzenegger in California (his father was a member of the Nazi Party opting to be a member of the storm-trooping “Brown Shirts” who eagerly pursued and persecuted Jews, Christians and Gypsies) and Nazi-tainted George Bush II in the White House, the American Nazi Party, the Aryan Nations and other despicable hate groups have received an unintended acknowledgement that their hateful struggle on behalf of the “white race” has merit.

And why shouldn’t they when their government officials and so-called leaders tacitly sanction ethnic cleansing, demean Islam and Arabs or strive to eliminate the civil rights gains of minorities and same-sex groups.

It’s no surprise to find Hitler’s ghost in the offices of Senator Trent Lott who said of white supremacist Senator Strom Thurmond—an opponent of integration and civil rights in the 1960’s-- “When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over all these years.” Hitler’s ghost visits the House side in the offices of Representative Tom Delay, an avowed Christian Zionist, who advocates the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians by Israel and is a proponent of the Security Fence, while at the same time admonishing those who will listen to him to “stand unashamedly for Jesus Christ”.

And in the Pentagon, Hitler’s ideology, has a friend in the form of US Marine Corps Lieutenant General William Boykin who believes that “God supports the US military because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christian...Our spiritual enemy will only be defeated if we come against them in the name of Jesus.”

That what the Aryan Nation says too. They proclaim that they have God’s support. Like all God-fearing Nazi’s, they hope “To ordain, establish, and pledge our fidelity to our Aryan Racial Nation, under the Law of God, the uniting of our individual strength as a united lawful power, for the preservation and total independence from all alien influence and control over our Faith, Children, and Destiny. “

“I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator,” said Adolf Hitler.

“God told me to strike at Al Qa’ida and I struck them. And then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did. With the might of God on our side we will triumph,” said George Bush. Or was that Hitler talking to Bush?

Hitler’s ghost haunts the United States of America.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/STA310A.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 05:27 PM
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26. 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis


Editorial Reviews
About the Author
Lenni Brenner has authored three critically acclaimed books on Jewish history: Zionism in the Age of Dictators, The Iron Wall: Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir and Jews in America Today. He currently resides in New York City.

Book Description
The Nazi era is the most discussed period in history, yet most Jews and other Americans are unaware of the interaction between Zionism and Hitler and Mussolini. The reason is simple and stark: the Zionist record is dishonorable. This book brings to light, through the use of actual historic documents, the disservice that the Zionists did to Jews before and during the Holocaust. Some of these documents were published in English decades ago, but are only now seeing the light of day. Others are being translated into English for the first time. Included are documents from Propaganda Minister Goebbels' newspaper, Der Angriff, detailing an SS-man's visit to Palestine as the Zionists' guest. Readers will also learn about Adolf Eichmann's account of his personal dealings with the Hungarian Zionist Rezsö Kasztner, who was later assassinated in Israel as a Nazi collaborator who betrayed 400,000 Hungarian Jews. Also revealed is pro-Zionist propaganda put out by the Nazis, such as a medal for getting Jews to Palestine and a Nazi board game where the object is to move Jews to Palestine. The documents contained in this book were selected with due care so that a rounded picture of history emerges. The author concludes that Zionism betrayed the Jews; and the evidence that led him to that conclusion is contained in this book. This book shows that the consequences of Zionism demand exposure.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1569802351/ref=ase_count...


One of the most important documents, Brenner reprints, is one that is based on Eichmann's testimony originally published two parts in Life Magazine under the title, "'I Transported Them to the Butcher,' Eichmann's Own Story," published after Eichmann was captured in 1960. The material comes from taped interviews Eichmann originally gave to a Dutch Nazi journalist in 1955 in connection with the trial in Israel of Dr. Renzo Kastner. At that time, Kastner was an Israeli government official who during the war, had collaborated with Eichmann in order help a few thousand Jews escape to Palestine. Eichmann's motivation to agree to the deal was to avoid another Warsaw Ghetto style uprising in Hungary. In the end, Eichmann successfully transported more than 600,000 Hungarian Jews to the ovens of Auschwitz. The few who escaped, he later said, were a cheap price to pay for the smooth Hungarian operation.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1569802351/ref=ase_count...


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