CNN: Iraqi's have a US Marine and are threatening to behead him

[neoteric lefty]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/27/iraq.main/index.html

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The Arabic-language television network Al-Jazeera broadcast a videotape Sunday of a man who it said an Iraqi resistance group identified as a captured U.S. Marine.

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Now these militants have one of our soldiers. Good job George.

edit: Picture removed. Was of captured Pakistani. Not any better but not the same man.

[Fleshdancer]

1. Bush got his wish. They're bringing it on with a vengeance.

I can't get the words of Lila's husband out of my head right now..."yes I'm sad, but what really saddens me is thinking about all the families who are currently going through what we've been through".

My heart goes out to this marine and his family right now.

[lanparty]

26. The militants WANT more US retaliation ...

The idiots on BOTH sides WANT more war. They BOTH want an pan-Arab vs pax Americana conflict!!!!

Those thugs know DAMN WELL what they are doing when they behead foreigners. You know, I can't remember ONE American hostage in Palestine that was EVER harmed. This killing hostages deal is BRAND NEW. And it's not from the "traditional terrorists". These guys are intentionally trying to bait more military action in the middle east!!!!!!

[qazplm]

2. going over there in a month

I gotta tell ya, if I get taken hostage, no WAY I am being beheaded, I will run, fight, bite scratch, do whatever to force them to shoot me (or escape) because there is no way they are going to let you go alive.

[neoteric lefty]

4. Are you getting called up?

as part of the military or a more "civilian"-esque job? If you do not want to divulge, I understand.

[qazplm]

10. I'm active duty

being sent over in a noncombat role, but even noncombat roles are combat over there.

I must say the story given so far doesnt match though...a marine "lured" out of the base? That would have to be one pretty dumb marine.

[TexasSissy]

24. Be careful over there. Watch your back. Don't get caught alone.

I hope you are able to be armed.

[lanparty]

28. A nice piece of Iraqi ass?????

I'm sure that they're are some damn fine lookers underneath those head scarfs.

[Yupster]

21. I read a book about a year ago

It was about an American jihadi warrior. His name was something like "Aksai Jones" but I can't remember.

He became a Muslim in prison and went to Bosnia and Chechnya twice on jihad. Then he turned on the jihadis and worked for the CIA, but he had a falling out with them and wrote this book.

Anyway, the scene remember most was of four captured Russian privates in Chechnya, and the four were standing there when they were told they would be killed now.

The first guy grabbed a Russian, pulled his knife and basically sawed his head off while he struggled in the dirt.

The American guy sid he just couldn't stop thinking "Run you fuckers" as the other three just stood there watching and were killed one at a time.

I guess maybe shock sets in or something.

Read about the Carr brother killings in Witchita Kansas a couple ago. These two maniacs who are now on death row broke in on five 20 something friends and forced them to strip and stay in a closet. Then all night they took them out one at a time, robbed them by their ATM's, beat them up and repeatedly raped them. At the end they stuffed them in a car (three men in the trunk) still naked, marched them to a snowy soccer field, had them kneel in a row, and then shot each one in the back of the head. You would think that seeing the first one fall dead, the others would run or fight or something, but they just kneeled in a row and got shot. One woman was saved when the bullet was slowed by a broach in her hair. The bullet went into her skull but didn't penetrate. She was run over as the brothers had their last fun, but still managed to drag herself to a house and survived. I don't know why people dn't fight back. I guess it's easy to criticize. It would be different if I were there no doubt. Maybe shock just sets in.

[lanparty]

30. Thats why you shouldn't surrender to thugs!!!!

And we learned this on 9/11. The insurance guys told us to hand over our wallets and consider ourselves lucky to be alive. I don't think so.

Every so often, one of these guys will murder you instead of just taking your wallet. So you might as well fight!!!!!

[lanparty]

27. Good plan !!!

Folks over there should know damn well NOT to surrender now. They're setting up conditions for mass blood baths on BOTH sides. Neither side will surrender because they BOTH believe they will be better off dead than as a prisoner.

This is NOT an accident. It is VERY intentional!!!!

[southernleftylady]

3. :-( This might be horrible sounding but...

I feel for his/her family but they knew what they were getting into when they signed up. The innocent children in Iraq had no choice. Ill be thinking of everyone who is danger over in iraq! Service men and women and the Iraqis :( such a sad story!

[neoteric lefty]

6. I have to disagree

those in power lied to the American people and many believed him. It isn't any more his parent's fault than it was for the parents of Vietnam veterans. Bush engaged in a war that was flat-out wrong. Don't blame the soldier for signing up to defend the coutry.

[southernleftylady]

9. No no no.. Im not "blaming " the soilders for anything...

But when you sign up to be in the service you dont sign up thinking "ill only fight for the wars i believe in " you sign up to do what your country tells you ... you know its going to be dangerous. Thats why alot of people dont do it...
I would never "blame" the soilders for anything unless they do something themselves. but they know when they go to Iraq even if we were going over there for a "real" reason .. its going to be dangerous.

[neoteric lefty]

11. most soldiers that sign up

are thinking either that A) this is a good way to earn money for college or B) this is a good way to get out of the hopeless situation I am currently in and help me learn something new. Like Michael Moore said in his film, these men and women give us their lives in defense of this country and it our responsibility not to send them somewhere unless it is absolutely necessary.

[southernleftylady]

13. I get what you are saying....

and I understand what they are thinking but the point is, signing up for the military is dangerous. Would I want my son to sign up for it in "times of peace" HELL NO!!! Because you never know when some fuck up is going to get into the white house and screw you. Period. Military is dangerous. No one can deny that. So are you saying that people who sign up for the military is just as innocent as an iraqi child? of course not.

[neoteric lefty]

16. I didn't say that, did I?

Of course civilian children are the most innocent of victims, but I am not trying to give "levels" of innocence. I am saying that many of these men and women are basically bribed to join the military. I am lucky enough to come from a stable, non-impoverished background but many of these soldiers see and are told that the military is one of their only ways to make something of themselves.

I do not care if this man is the most gun-ho!, right-wing, soldier. Him and his family still should not have to go through this painful situation and I do feel deep sympathy for them. You may disagree and thats fine. This is how I feel.

[southernleftylady]

18. I also said that I felt for his family...

losing a family member in ANY way is horrible esp. beheading and broadcast all of the world. All I am saying is that they knew the dangers going in to Iraq. I guess we will agree to disagree ;)

[neoteric lefty]

33. agreed!

:)

[lanparty]

31. I was close to enlisting ...

... due to being unemployed.

I was initially for the war because I believed Colin Powell. Boy, we was lying like a RUG wasn't he. Whats even more shocking is the film from F911 where Colin Powell is talking about Saddam in 2001 as a wounded, dazed, imprisoned and harmless animal.

Anyway, no way I would enlist now. I'd like to see lots of young men sign provisional enlistements petitions. Basically, they would promise to enlist so long as Bush was out of office. I wouldn't dare serve under this man.

If I was drafted under Bush, I think I'd flee. I wouldn't serve that evil madman!!!!!!!

[neoteric lefty]

34. I am in the nice meaty part of the draft age...

and if I get drafted, I will stay here and take my punishment (unless we actually have a real enemy we are fighting). I would rather spend time in jail then fight for this man.

[lanparty]

35. Upper "draftable" range ...

I'm on the upper end of the draft scale (32). But I also have those "computer skills" that the Pentagon has floated ideas about drafting.

And I'm pretty sure my "underemployment" will work against me in a drafting situation.

Why on earth would you draft American computer people to work on telecom systems in Iraq while importing Indians to do the same jobs in America. Why not save them a a long trip and hire TATA to do those jobs???? ;-) The Indians are a LOT closer to Iraq then I am!!!!!!

[fdr_hst_fan]

12. But you're suggesting the

"Nuremberg Defense": I was only following orders! It didn't save the Nazis, and it shouldn't work now!

[qazplm]

14. are you seriously comparing

the acts of our soldiers to the acts of the Nazi's?

I dont like Bush, this war, Republicans at all...but these Nazi/Hitler comparisons are just wayyyy over the top.

[southernleftylady]

15. I dont think they were comparing todays soilders to nazi but saying...

that the "only doing what was ordered" defense is weak

[qazplm]

19. no I think

using that specific terminology is absolutely doing that.

If you wanted to say "doing what was ordered defense is weak" then say that.

Besides, no one knows what this particular soldiers job was. He could have been a cook. He could have been a water purification specialist. He could have been a laundry and shower specialist. He could have been a translator.

In other words, I just have a hard time understanding people attacking soldiers unless that SPECIFIC soldier is shown doing something wrong or immoral.

[Malva Zebrina]

22. any soldier who signs up after Viet Nam has got to know that no war

the US indulges in is to "
defend our freedoms.

If he or she is not aware of the role of the military by now, is an uneducated and poorly educated person as to the role of the military in this modern age.

NO country will invade the United
States of America.

NONE

All that the military of the US will be used for is for empire seeking and that should be obvious if one cares to see exactly where we have postitioned our military bases all over the world

Our military will be used to pursue empire and that is obvious.

Our young have not been aware or educated as to the role of the military and are convinced that they are "defending our freedoms"

and they are all so "honored" and all so "honored" in their death for the US empire seeking.

It is bullshit.

They are there to preserve and defend empire seeking and it is the truth that many of them are seeking to kill. They are actually the oines who are aiming at the civilians and are killing children.

Do we ignore that they are the ones doing that?
Do we excuse them for doing that? Who exactly is responsible? Who exactyly is pulling the trigger and who is dropping the bombs?
Who is DOING the killing?

Are they wooden robots killing babies?

Are adolescents all fired up to kill others who get in the way of our empire seeking?

Do not let your children become this. Teach them the immorality of joining a military that kills in order to "free" those they kill.

[lanparty]

32. World War 1, and World War 2 ...

These wars were to defend the democracies of Europe and make sure the Nazis didn't come calling to the US (as they WERE planning).

[Hubert Flottz]

37. NO,,,,,you are wrong!

When most of the men and women signed up, the rules of the Geneva Convention were still in effect! Those rules were taught in boot camp! The only information a POW is required to divulge is the Name Rank and Serial Number! That's what the troops were told! Did Saddam ever kill an unarmed American POW that you know of? I NEVER heard of any!

Bush threw the gasoline on that fire in Iraq! We know now that unarmed Iraqi POWs were beaten to death and btw, this STILL may be SOP in Rumbo's war on Terra! The entire world knows it ALL now! Six months ago though, kids being signed up by recruiters at our high schools, didn't know what the DOD was doing in those Iraqi or Afghani prisons! * "Bush Knew!" *

[qanda]

5. I thought I heard that the Marine was Pakistani

I'm so confused :shrug:

[Goldmund]

7. That's a different hostage.

Two different incidents, both today -- a Pakistani hostage and a US Marine hostage.

[neoteric lefty]

8. I think the Pakistani was captured earlier today

The marine was captured and the video showed him in FAtigues and the militants showed his military ID to the camera.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. Oh, God. Someone tell these Iraqi terrorists that they are playing

into Bush's hands. They keep this up and the American people will respond with a call for low-level nukes.

[Goldmund]

20. You don't think they're aware of that?

Of course they're playing into Bush's hands. If they could send a campaign contribution, they would.

[troublemaker]

25. Visa-versa; Bush is playing into their hands

[lanparty]

23. Bush DARED them to do it ...

He said to come and get us (US Soldiers deployed in Iraq).

Bush should offer to trade HIMSELF for that soldier. He begged for them to come shoot at Americans. He threw Americans in harms way with little or no support.

An honorable man would take responsibility for his actions!!!!

[Hubert Flottz]

38. Bush damned sure did dare them to do it!

He and the Neocons thought the mission was over when Shrub smirked and crowed, "Bring It On"! The GOPers had been watching far too much television! The Cons believed their own lies!

[TexasSissy]

29. Oh my God. I was worried about this,that they'd try to get a soldier.

[Hubert Flottz]

36. It's what I expected!

When the neocons threw away the rules of war and started to torture POWs it was the green light for this! This is how Bush has supported our troops! Torture is WRONG, no matter who does it and the GOPers knew it!

Like every other crooked move the neocons have made, they thought they could hide this gross mistreatment of unarmed captives too! Bush signed on to the torture in Iraq because, at the time the GOPers were in a panic! They had no WMD, Saddam was on the loose, the cost in cash for the war was rising rapidly and the Iraqis were fighting back, instead of throwing roses as advertised! The neocons turned up the heat on the captives everywhere, for purely political reasons! The war in Iraq was not going well and it was making Bush look bad politically, so the noecons acted! They got caught with their drawers down around their ankles, PLAYING POLITICS, by the entire WORLD, when the torture story broke!

The greedy fools "Crossed The Line" and now our kids will pay the price, if they are taken alive in the middle east! Any American soldier who votes for Bush in November is NUTS! I'll never forget the smirk on Bush's evil face when he said "Bring it on", if I live to be a hundred! I'm betting the GIs will remember for a LONG time too! I doubt if the Iraqi people will EVER forget and forgive either!