Where have all the hippies gone?

[southernleftylady]

Did they all get too rich to care anyomore? Where have all the "make love not war" hippies gone?

[mopaul]

1. jeez like, i'm too stoned

and broke

[Wilber_Stool]

2. I'm right here. n/t

[Rainbowreflect]

3. Here!

:hi:

[NMDemDist2]

4. me too n/t

[Jacobin]

5. Yer lookin at one

cyber-visually that is.

:hi:

[King_Crimson]

124. Old-hipster here...

like Mopaul...I'm stoned! Old habits die hard ya know! :evilgrin:

[Liberal Veteran]

6. Long time passing.....

[never cry wolf]

31. Ya stole my reply......

When will they ever learn....when wil they ever learn.

[Dees]

7. Still mellow here

[Dees]

8. Still mellow here

oopsy dupesy

[teach1st]

9. Here!

Busy indoctrinating our nation's youth.

[whirlygigspin]

They all moved to Marin

and went hot tubbing.

[upperleftedge]

13. I'm older

but I'm still here! I still think it is better to make love than war.

[Berserker]

15. I'm a Million Miles away

from that helicopter day but I think I wanna go back and stay!

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

29. ...I thought you were going to say:

..."but at the same time I'm right here in your picture frame"...

"Because I'm a million miles away
And at the same time
I'm right here in you picture frame
Because I said I'm a Voodoo Chile
Lord knows I'm a Voodoo Chile"



My ALL-TIME favorite Hendrix lyric...from the same song:

"Way down by the methane sea
I have a humming bird and it hums so loud
You think you were losing your mind"

:toast:

[merh]

10. IMHO, some joined the establishment, had kids,

have made more money than they need and feel guilty for turning their backs on their principles so they are the repukes that believe they are entitled to their wealth and all liberals are wild eyed fanatics. (Again, IMHO)

:hippie:

[tilsammans]

11. I'm here too . . .

. . . still lettin' my freak flag fly.

:hippie:

[Mz Pip]

12. Older and

just as feisty as ever.

I still have my "Yippie" button from the '68 convention. I wear it every election year along with my "War is ugly, Love is lovely" button. It will be particularly meaningful this year.

:hi:

MzPip
:dem:

[Az]

14. Long hair hippie freak here

Check me out in the gallery (don't have link on this puter).

[H2O Man]

16. YIPPIE!!!

I'm a rural Yippie who on a couple of occassions has asked,"Where are any 'student leaders' these days?" I think that there are plenty of old hippies and yippies on here, who are hoping that the younger generation will step up to the plate. We can play our role, and support the younger generation, but we can't pretend it's 1968. Come on, you youngsters! Organize!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

28. Heck yeah

where's the SDS???

[H2O Man]

36. What do these kids need?

They shouldn't need a weather vane to know which way the wind is blowing. (grin)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

37. Hee hee

if I were still in college, I'd be startin' it up. Actually I think there are a load of active progressive student organizations they just don't go by the name of SDS.

[H2O Man]

45. I believe you are right....

however, there does not appear to be any nationally recognized "leaders." And while I wish there was not a need to have nationally recognized leaders -- and I recognize the seductive dangers that go hand in hand with "leadership" on any level, but particularly at that level -- there is the need. College students are in the best position to provide this type of influence. About a week ago, I read about a student going on a hunger strike on his state's capital's steps. I posted on DU, but got no response.

[dweller]

17. pssst....SL lady....

we're blending into the bounteous greenery..

peace,
dp

[gauguin57]

18. I saw them on C-span Sat. night

at the Green party convention. SUCH a collection of old hippies!

My brother used to have a sign on his house that said "Home for retired hippies."

[Cleita]

19. We're still here. It seems we couldn't pass our passion down

subsequent generations. Many younger people take for granted freedoms that we won for them and can't even conceive of the fact that such freedoms were once against the law. Think of all the civil rights advancements just in the workplace since the sixties. It used to be you never saw a black waitress, or a black receptionist in an office or a black or hispanic or a woman in a management position.

[havocmom]

61. Nah, some of the passion lives in the young

I know of several very wise old youngsters. I love to help them along the path less taken, where I can still be found, huggin trees and refusing to be part of the problem.

[Mikimouse]

20. Not gone, not forgotten, still here and spittin' flame...

nothing has changed. The establishment has simply forced most of us to focus on our own damned survival. It's a nice way of keeping people in line, keeping wages low, keeping us centered on having to keep our mouths shut and not rocking the boat in order to keep our jobs. I call bullshit on the establishment and I look forward to ALL the truth coming out. THEN, we'll see what happens. I for one, am active in my own way; I do radio spots on a progressive station, and have been an invited speaker at civil rights rallies. If each of us does one thing, the situation in which we find ourselves could, at least, get better.:hippie:

[AntiCoup2K4]

21. Some of us were just born a little late.

Yeah, I was technically "there" for the last 4 years of the 60's, but I don't remember much. But then, isn't what most of the hippies say? :hippie:

[mike1963]

30. That post REALLY made me

LOL
:D

[Wilber_Stool]

34. Don't feel too bad.

I was there for the whole thing and I don't remember much of it either.

[Geo55]

92. If you remember it.....

you weren't there man...

[DancingBear]

22. We just look a little different now, that's all

Everything else hasn't changed. Some of us have a little more money, and some of us live a lifestyle that we never could have envisioned.

Some of us listen to "Volunteers" on better stereos, and some of us are decades away from Blue Microdot LSD and The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers.

All us, however, still believe.

Peace.

[mctrotter5]

23. This one stopped focusing on an organic food supply two years

ago and hit the streets. At least we could show the "young ones" how you demonstrate. Too bad it took the invasion of Iraq and this fascist administration to bring me back to politics.

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. Welcome to DU! :^)

[mctrotter5]

32. Thanks for welcome. Signed up months ago and finally getting my

self working to be part of this community. Working with Move on, ACLU and even more motivated since I have seen F9/11!

[GreenPartyVoter]

35. Glad to hear it. :^D

[Zorra]

25. Go to an anti-war/Bu$h protest and you will see where they have gone.

Because there are lots of them there. Or go to a Rainbow Gathering and ask this question

Check out this website.
http://www.hippy.com/php/article.php?sid=245

[itsnoteasybeingreen]

26. Checking in

Young "hippie" student leader here. Although I don't like the term "hippie", it's too reminiscent. I prefer, "societally disadvantaged".

[Zorra]

39. Welcome

to DU. I don't really care if people call me a hippie, or a librul, or whatever. (The RW and their media lapdogs are often successful at applying publically stigmatic labels to people and groups that they need to discredit). But it's pretty hard to call somebody a "dirty societally disadvantaged", so you might be onto something there.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

27. Well

I was born in 1970.

I think today's progressives definitely look different, but we're out here.

And a shout out to all the 60's hippies. Growing up, I always wished I had been in my 20s during that time period.

[Eloriel]

85. It was a GREAT time

with the BEST music, too. I think I was so lucky to be a young adult in the 60s and early 70s.

[LifeDuringWartime]

127. theres plenty of great music being made today!

(despite what you hear on the radio)

www.boxesofsquares.com

www.cstrecords.com/html/godspeed.html

www.themarsvolta.com

www.moe.org

www.umphreys.com

www.radiohead.com

www.kronosquartet.org

www.black47.com

www.theflaminglips.com

www.freewebs.com/ricemountain

[Beam Me Up]

161. Won't argue that :-)

Great music in the 60s -- I was there.

But I love the music today, too. I'm a Muslim Gauze, Autechre and Square Pusher FREAK.

[Wind Dancer]

33. We're still here!

[leftbend]

38. We will never go away

Foolish as they may seem to some my ideals will be with me until I die. The hair may be gray but its still long,to make a statement if for no other reason.
Peace

[Maeve]

40. you should have been a Comfest in Columbus today!

You wouldn't have to ask... :smoke::hippie: :smoke:

[southernleftylady]

41. Ok maybe im just not in the right place lol

Being in the buckle of the bible belt doesnt make finding peace loving people hard to do! ;)

[Jim__]

42. Gone to pot, I'm afraid.

[shanti]

43. working, raising children

and other sundry things....

btw, you can see many "old hippies" at reggae shows nowadays;-) the message is the same.

[Zomby Woof]

44. they sold out

I won't go much further than that. I have a very Generation X disdain for boomers and hippies. Hippies were just spoiled suburban kids pretending to be rebellious and dropping acid (courtesy of the US Army and the CIA, hey...). Lots of tie-dyed shirts and patchouli were sold, making someone some money for The Man.

To quote from the lyrics of a great composer who properly lambasted hippies, "I will even love the police as they kick the shit out of me..." Fuck that! Confrontation is the way to go. I am admittedly a product of the post-Watergate cynical age.

And in true Whitmanesque fashion, I am a huge peace activist, so so much for the Time-Life version of the 60's and what constitutes orthodox hippie behavior and mores. Let them be relegated to the dustbin of sell-out history. :thumbsdown:

[annabanana]

50. Sounds Like sour grapes!

:nopity:

[Zomby Woof]

65. not at all

I embrace the REAL activists and hard-fighting people of that generation. Not the bad-acid dropping punk kids pretending they were rebelling against mommy and daddy's bank account.

I am Old Left, and view the post-WW2 sell-outs with disdain. They became Tom Daschle, for example.

[indigobusiness]

52. Man, you are so incredibly wrong...

maybe if you'd been at Kent State you'd see it differently.

For certain if Woodstock was attempted today, you would.

Sheesh.

[annabanana]

54. tin soldiers and Rumsfeld coming...

...still freaks me out.

[Zomby Woof]

63. You confuse hippies with the real opposition

Hippies were suburban kids who, once they got out of college and had kids, decided they would follow in their parents' footsteps after all. So much for rebellion.

It belittles the activists of that generation, who may have had long hair and assumed some of the miasma of "hippies" to saddle them with that label.

Oh, and welcome to DU.

[Zomby Woof]

62. lol

Kent State wasn't hippies. Those were smart and dedicated young people, not saddled with a sad manufactured label like "hippies".

That is my problem with the whole "hippie" canard - everyone wants to lay claim to who and what they were to bolster their personal mythology of the 60's. For the most part, they were just little suburban snots from well-to-do families. It sounds to me like you buy into the "Hair" version of the 60's.

You denigrate the real peace activists, whether past (Kent State), or present (Iraq War build-up) with drivel like that.

I am right, and will continue to mock those who say otherwise. Age of Aquarius, indeed.

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[southernleftylady]

67. hey hey ... no arguments on my peace loving thread ;) lol

[Zomby Woof]

70. if I am not pissing people off

I am not using DU as intended. ;-)

[Zomby Woof]

69. LOL

I am so wrong, because you said so. I see.

If you were there, you should know better, and not buy into the Time-Life Hair version of the 60's. Hippies were phony kids from the suburbs who so desperately wanted to be different and were casting off those shackles of oppression, man! They weren't.

I think of all those yuppies in the 80's who once thought they would save the world. Fucking sell-out phonies. I would say I am bitter, more than sour. ;-)

Turns out they left us with a bigger mess than before.

You can tell me I am wrong, but you haven't refuted me, you have only attacked me with ad hominems about being "ill". :eyes:

[indigobusiness]

74. You are so devoid of actual insight, it is ridiculous.

Believe what you wish, but you are DEAD wrong.

Do your own homework.

But, you'll never really know...had to be there.

[Zomby Woof]

77. you know the saying

If you remmeber the 60's, you weren't there.

Your anger and defensiveness seems to indicate that I struck a very personal nerve. If you consider yourself a non-selling-out, non-spoiled, non-suburban hippie, then enjoy the limitations of your self-applied label. I do not think you are any of the things I said about alleged hippies in my above posts, but you clearly think my critiques were aimed at you. Very interesting. Unlike you do with me, I do not claim to know ANYTHING about you, nor do I insult your intelligence, as you have with me.

But again, you keep repeating yourself with the personal attacks and telling me I am wrong without any FACTS to back you up. How do you know I wasn't there? I was. Besides, being there is no indicator of rightness or wrongness, or all historical analyses beyond living memory would be rendered invalid. Are you really prepared for a preposterous dismissal of history such as that?

Bush is here now, and so 35 years from now, are you going to validate his POV because of his participation in the present? I sure hope not. He is wrong in any age, by any generation's estimate.

I wasn't around in the 40's but I know Hitler was on the wrong side of history. Is my POV invalidated because I wasn't there? Do you see the futility and intellectual impotency of your argument? Probably not.

So tell me one more time... I am wrong, wrong, and wrong! ;-)

[indigobusiness]

82. Hippies turned the tide of so many ills the country was experiencing.

The 60s were a brutal time for everyone that fought the good fight.
The true Hippie movement was a force that bears fruit today. Without the sacrifice and influence of the Hippie movement, America would be an even more toxic cesspool than it is. I remember trash filled ditches by the highways, ddt and mercury filled lakes and streams, 'colored' drinking fountains and toilets, J Edgar Hoover, Eisenhower's warning of the Military Industrial Complex--- all the things that Hippies fought pacifisticly to make right. Oh, and some of my hippie friends didn't come home from Viet Nam...some did and were never 'right'.

What have you sacrificed for your country, ZombyWoof?

What makes you think I am angry? I'm not angry, you're just wrong.


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[Zomby Woof]

88. please

If you're going to chastise me intelligently, at least master the simple use of the apostrophe. I respect the opinions of literate people more, whether they call themselves hippies or not.

But gawd, I do love boomer sanctimony and finger-wagging. ;-)

Judge so much, for knowing me so little. :spank:

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[Zomby Woof]

104. I value both equally

;-)

[H2O Man]

96. I knew hippies, sir.....

and you are no hippie! I'm not sure the source of your anger -- how could I be? you are but a post on a thread -- but I suspect that your hostility may be effecting your vision. "Hippies" were not just snotty-nosed rich kids, although snotty-nosed rich kids could certainly be hippies. But so couldn't rural farm kids. And teen-agers from small towns across America that listened to the Beatles and knew that there was something desperately wrong with their parents' world-view.

Did they change the world through decisive actions? Of course not. Few people/movements do. To create change in actions, you must create changes in perception, changes in the way people view their world. Did hippies help to do that? Sure. Along with several other cultural forces, they did create significant changes.

Can young people stop a war? Only by refusing to fight. So every hippie that refused to fight did their part as an individual,and by participating in mass protests, they did their part as a group.

We will only change society by changing individual('s) action. You are right that many hippies did not have a deep grasp of the concepts of peace and love and other hippie values. Some went on to become their parents. But many more went in the other direction, my friend, and became parents who instilled hippie values in the children they raised. A funny thing: there is nothing on earth more revolutionary than raising the next generation.

We are not going to reach a better society by being angry, pointing fingers, and creating divisions. Were the hippies perfect? No. But most of them did the best they could, as individuals, at the time. We are all, after all, sad and weakly human.

I'm curious: what have you as an individual accomplished that you consider superior to the hippie generation? And I'm not trying to put you on the hot seat. But if you have found a superior way, tell us about it. Thanks!

[indigobusiness]

98. Hippies did change the world.

The 70s and 80s saw much of the positive influence of the Hippie movement absorbed by American culture. It's just that the power of selfishness and greed held sway. Otherwise, I am in complete agreement.

on edit--I'm looking for the article about 60s music being directly responsible for the fall of The Wall.

[H2O Man]

106. To my friend indigobusiness:

Yes, you and I are in general agreement. The power of hippies was the potency of their ideas. And much of that potency came from their ability to communicate those ideas through cultural means. But many of the forces the hippies struggled against have again taken control of our society -- not because the hippies were wrong -- but because the younger generations have not carried the torch forward. While many of today's youth are smart, most lack insight -- because they have very little to compare today to ..... and minds that lack the ability to compare lack the ability to understand. We today see a purely physical youth .... and when their comfortable world, with its eatting and sleeping, its loud music and dancing, its designer drugs and expensive wines, and its bright flashing colors and its merry laughter are taken away .... as this administration is doing ... these children are left without understanding and hence the ability to resist a criminal and unholy system that is attempting -- no! accomplishing! -- to rob them of their very selves! Because they know little about the measure of thought, nor do they recognize the power of ideas, and therefore they have nothing to support or defend themselves with! And so this administration is able to capitalize on that ignorance.

Those who slander the hippies need to put a better idea forward in order to be considered seriously. It's not insightful to say that "hippies changed." Every single thing changes, and so it would be sad, even pathetic, for old hippies to pretend that they are still 18 years old. But it is even worse to have people bad-mouth the hippie movement, especially when .... as I've noted .... they do not have an understanding who the hippies were, much less what they stood for. So! Thank you for sticking up for the hippies! Earlier, I noted that I never was one .... I was a Yippie!, but I have great respect for the hippies. Peace!

[indigobusiness]

133. I just claim we were influenced by the culture and the high ideals.

Ever look around and see how, in time, the opposite pole of culture has taken on the the trappings of its sworn enemy?

Every sword cuts two ways, but that was not the point.

Keep fighting the good fight.

Peace.

[H2O Man]

139. My cousin once told me that:

(and I quote) "We must seek out the spiritual people because only that is going to help us survive. We have a great force -- a great brotherhood. This brotherhood includes all living things. And that, of course, includes us all. We are talking about the natural world, the natural force, all the trees, everything that grows, the water. This is part of our force.

But when you gather spiritual force in one place, you also gather the negative force. we begin to perceive the enemy now, the power and the presence of the negative force.

There is a great battle coming." -Oren Lyons

Now, many of the hippies relied upon, and learned from, different Native American nations. Oren sits on the Onondaga Council of Chiefs, and the grand Council of the Six Nations Iroquois, or Haudenosaunee. But his message is as true on DU as it is at Onondaga. And I think we've seen proof of that tonight! (grin) Maybe our friend should drink less. It's a sad thing: bitterness always contaminates the vessel that contains it.

[indigobusiness]

143. well put.

I went to a Lakota Sun Dance once, and was invited into a lodge at the end of a vision quest. Big medicine.

[Zomby Woof]

117. thaks for disco and Reagan

Fuckers. :-)

[indigobusiness]

135. Now you are saying Reagan and Disco were a product of Hippie influence?

Trade in your Halcyon for some Halcion, before it's too late.

[Tamiati]

142. I hear ya on that !!

:toast:

[AndyTiedye]

157. Reagan Got In via Arms-for-Hostages

and the hostile takeover of the media by the far right.

You cannot blame hippies for Reagan.
Not even the plastic kind you found in the mass media.

That year's media creation was something called the "yuppie",
totally selfish and so alwasys a dependable Republican voter.
which was basically the opposite of a hippie in every important respect.
They were selling this as part of the right-wing takeover package.

Hippies did not turn into yuppies. Yuppies came after, and resented
the fact that they'd missed all the good parties and all they got
was disco. That resentment carried over into their politics.

[Zomby Woof]

105. affect, not effect

*sigh*


"Every town must have a place where phony hippies meet
Psychedelic dungeons popping up on every street
Go to San.... Fran...cisco-o-o-!" :smoke:


I love the conceit by boomers that they changed the world.

Utter bullshit, with flies buzzing around, no less.

[H2O Man]

111. So tell us....

what you've done to improve the world around you? You seem to avoid that part..... which is okay, 'cause I'm guessing that you wouldn't have say in answer to that.

[Zomby Woof]

116. I have done plenty

But I also honestly have a sense of PROPORTION about it, and don't go around thinking I am the greatest thing to happen to America or the planet, like you narcissistic boomers do.

But my avoidance of your question has more to do with my lack of respect for you than any wish to avoid furthering of the discussion. I would pretty much have to cure cancer to get a modicum of concession out of you that I am right. ;-)

I know it sucks to be told YOU MADE NO DIFFERENCE with your endless wanking about the halcyon 60's, but well, you didn't.

Bleeding ponytails, all of you. :-)

[H2O Man]

120. The cure for cancer?

Getting rid of your hostility would be be a great start. (grin) I'm pretty sure that you aren't listing anything that you have accomplished for another reason. And you're confused -- angry people usually are -- because I have never said that I was a hippie. Not at all. And it doesn't "suck" to read your rantings .... and your opinion seems to say much more about you than about the people and issues you are attempting to insult. I worked for decades as a psychiatric social worker .... and I got used to people with borderline personality disorders saying pretty much the same thing about socialworkers who made no difference with their endless therapy and mental health, etc, etc. This thread brings back memories of all the people I helped to help themselves .... and some of the others. Thanks!

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[H2O Man]

132. And not only that!

(s)he spelled "thanks" wrong! O.M.G.!!!!! Someone call the police!

[indigobusiness]

136. He cares as much about form as content...

said so himself.

Hypocrite cynics always hang themselves.

[Tamiati]

144. hard not to

be cynical, when those from the time are driving fancy cars & living the high life in the burbs would'nt you agree??? They basically sold out their principles for their beliefs....

just my observation:shrug:

[indigobusiness]

148. I have a bone to pick, given that context....but that wasn't the argument.

People can prosper, materially, without selling out. Michael Moore is a millionaire. But, your point is well taken.

[Tamiati]

151. materially prospering

without selling out for most of us is extremely difficult would'nt you say?? There is some principles that you give up in order to survive within this materialistic world that we live in ......

:pals: I think we agree fundamentally, I feel it is such a shame that this has to happen and that is what I still squawk about really, that we have come to this point.......it really is not anyone's fault (ok, yes I blame the neo-con type thinkers, for this)it really is quite upsetting...
I don't mean to hijack this thread....sorry

[indigobusiness]

156. To paraphrase a Brazilian saying---

To struggle is to be truly alive. --

That is the irony of our culture, we don't realize how the love of money corrupts us.

I've always admired the prople I've known, or known about, that lived simply, while wealthy.

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[Tamiati]

140. I tend to agree

with some of your observations about the hippie movement......

The real activists WERE NOT distracted by the influx of the drugs & I DO agree with you that were planted by CIA & the "establishment" to subvert the real agenda of that day...This ASPECT has created much confusion about what the actual movement had been....

Fundamentally however many of those little suburban snots started out with good intentions...they did not know how to stand up and be heard (as they were taught by their parents to be like sheep & follow)

However, that IS the very type that I take issue with still today....they seem to have become everything that I abhored then & still abhore today...
(if you catch my original post)during this time I was an observer or rather a sponge my mind was being shaped by the events of the times I was quite vocal & activated by the time I was in the 5th grade...Kent State was when I was 12.....Anyway, I see my brother who is 5 years older & all his buds seem to have "fallen" under the neo-con ideologies & that really upsets my principles...

Anyway, I just wanted to express that....(check my original post, for how I feel further)

[indigobusiness]

146. False Hippies are like False Christians...

But big medicine defies false agendas.

[Zorra]

72. I know a whole bunch of 60's "hippies" that live in the mountains of the

west that live totally environmentally conscious lives, developed a means of earning a living while contributing as little as possible to the corporate system, and are extremely politically and environmentally active. These are people that I know very well, and have the utmost respect for because of the way they conduct, and have conducted, their lives. They have fought the system all their lives, and actually won some battles through hard work, dedication, and donating more money than they could afford to important causes.

No offense intended, but, you were what, I'm guessing 10-15 years old when Reagan left office? I suggest some self-examination in order to discover where your hatred for "hippies" comes from.

Because you are mistaken in your generalization.

http://www.televar.com/~kliegoha/

http://www.ecosystem.org/projects_loomis.html

[indigobusiness]

76. That is the hippie culture I knew...

The bigoted notion that hippies came from privalege is insulting in the extreme.

The culture lives on in concern for a non-toxic, peaceful society.
Anyone that says differnt is clueless, or has an ax to grind.

[indigobusiness]

95. Why

was your post directed at me? I was defending hippies. I can only assume that was in error. I VOTED against Reagan, and Nixon.

[Zorra]

159. indigobiz- it was not

directed at you - no way - on my puter it points to zombywoof post # 44.
No?

[Dees]

81. Just how many Gen Xer's are out there on the streets

protesting the Iraq war?

[Zomby Woof]

86. tens of thousands

But alas, we were as effective as the boomers - we failed to stop either war.

Despite how good and empowering it feels, protests never stopped a damn war. How I wish it were so.

[Tamiati]

141. May not stop a War

but certainly we are the people who make others look at how it shall impact humanity on a whole perhaps even but for a short time.....hence we should never give up the fight for the change

Agree??

[indigobusiness]

149. Antiwar protest did end the Viet Nam war.

Are you going to rewrite history for us? Make Gore president for the last 3 1/2 years while you're at it.

[TacticalPeek]

101. This thread branch reminds me of the perpetual, gentle internecine warfare

within many underground newspaper staffs of the time: hippies vs lefties.

It was a false dichotomy then, and it is a false dichotomy now. As then, perpetuating it now only serves the interest of The Man.

Think FDR: coalition. And for coalition to work, one must have some basic respect for one's partners.

Organize and use the state.

:hippie:

[AndyTiedye]

155. Semanttic confusion?

> I have a very Generation X disdain for boomers and hippies.

I really think you need to work on that. It's gonna take boomers,
hippies, gen-x-ers and anybody else who still has a working brain
to get our country back.

> Hippies were just spoiled suburban kids pretending to be rebellious

That's a start, and a better one than most kids got since then.

> and dropping acid (courtesy of the US Army and the CIA, hey...).

Did most of them a world of good.
Suppose Bush had done that instead of just booze and coke all the time.

> Lots of tie-dyed shirts and patchouli were sold, making someone some money for The Man.

Actually, making and selling tiedyes has long been one of the ways
that people manage to live somewhat outside the system.

I prefer to make my own.

I never much cared for patchouli.

> To quote from the lyrics of a great composer who properly lambasted
> hippies, "I will even love the police as they kick the shit out of
> me..."

This is not nearly as off-the-wall as it sounds.
As long as they can't make you hate, they haven't beaten you.
It worked quite well for Ghandi.

> Fuck that! Confrontation is the way to go.

It is a way, and often a useful way, but not the only way.
Exposure and ridicule, a.la. Michael Moore, seems to be showing some
promise at the moment.
Confrontation is one tool of many.

> I am admittedly a product of the post-Watergate cynical age.

> And in true Whitmanesque fashion, I am a huge peace activist, so

me too. a lot of those around here. but then this is DU.

> so much for the Time-Life version of the 60's and what constitutes
> orthodox hippie behavior and mores.

Oh, I didn't know you were talking about the plastic models of
hippies that the media constructed. Sanitized for our protection.
You didn't make that clear.

> Let them be relegated to the dustbin of sell-out history.

Let's relegate the media creation of the "hippies who sold out"
to the dustbin. It was created for the benefit of you know who.
It was the next volume in that Time-Life series.
The media promoted that meme heavily because they had a very
large vested interest in killing off that particular subculture
and convincing anyone they could influence that becoming
conservative and Republican was the "in" thing to do.

What is it about hippies that makes a number of us DU'ers
enthusiastically adopt the label? It obviously means more
to us than the rather shallow treatment of it in the media.
Some of it is found in the music of the Grateful Dead.:smoke::smoke::bounce:
Some of it you see at the protests.
Some of it you see at psytrance dances up in the mountains.:bounce::smoke::bounce:
Some of it is why we are here.

[TransitJohn]

162. From a 32 year old Deadhead

you are way, way wrong, friend. And remember, there's a difference between selling out and buying in.

[AndyTiedye]

46. Following the Dead Tour. A lot of us were at Shoreline last night.

The Dead may not be the same without Jerry, but they're still the only ones who do what they do.
And they did it up last night.

Lot of us show up whenever they hold a protest too:

[ElkHunter]

47. I was a yippie (Youth International Party) organizer...

...back in the early 70's. Guess you might say that some of us just grew up and got a little more serious about politics. I gave up my yippie anarchism many years ago. But I remain a person of the left, proud to be a left wing Democrat. Although I haven't been in touch with them for decades, I suspect that some of my former comrades from our yippie days remain politically active as well.

[mellowinman]

48. Hey FAR OUT, man!

Did somebody, like, call me?

Right on, brother!

[annabanana]

49. Undercover...

At the New Haven riots in '67
NYU 68-72
Getting older & fatter, but not less angry...
Millions of us stumbing along in our human fashion....
Finally really p*ssed off again!
and
Still Crazy after all These Years
:+

[nannah]

51. loving my grandchildren, hanging out at DU,

being a dennis kucinich delagate, taking my son to opening of farenheit 9/11 (he used to go with me to marches, vigils, and the Massachussets legislature when he was in kindergarten), and now, trying to decide what to do next.

[scarletwoman]

53. Well, THIS hippie never went away!

I've lived my ideals and stayed true to my principles from my anti-war marching days in the 60's to my anti-war marching days now.

I never stopped letting MY freak flag fly! :hippie:

sw

Oh, and I never got rich, either. I moved back to the land, and that's where I am still.

[annabanana]

55. keep on trucking..

and fighting the good fight!
:hug:

[southernleftylady]

56. I am LOVING this thread! :) Im glad to see us (of all ages) still out here

[scarletwoman]

68. Right on!

And welcome to DU! :hi:

sw

[southernleftylady]

79. Thank you!

[shanti]

83. lucky you:-)!

"I moved back to the land, and that's where am still."

i had a subscription to the mother earth news back in the day, you? self-sufficiency is still a goal. if i get a chance to retire it will be in the hills of jamaica, with my animals and garden...

peace and love, sista!

[hippywife]

57. Still here and

proudly rabble rousing!! So is the husband.

:hippie:

[TexasSissy]

58. Wow, man. I still see colors.

But of course, I started VERY young. ;-)

[TexasSissy]

59. But I DO own a gun these days. Sigh. Reality.

[annabanana]

60. LOL...the "trails" man!

[rocktop15]

66. Phish shows

Trust me........I was at Deer Creek last week..........and they were out.....in masses.

[DrWeird]

71. Eugene, Oregon.

Come on up.

[H2O Man]

91. Eugene, Oregon?

My normal brother (I have two!) lives there. He always tells me that I should visit him there, because they have a large & well-educated hippie population.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

73. Platypussian,

octasyllabic dreams ooze
from my mediterranean face.

[brainshrub]

75. Come with me to the Rainbow Gathering this week in CA

I'll meet you in Reno & we'll hitch-hike to the Gathering. www.welcomehome.org

P.S. Yes, I really am going. Yes, I am looking for a travel partner. If you want to come with me, drop me a PM or reply in this thread.

[southernleftylady]

78. shoot..

If I could I would love too! I was a flight attendant till after 9/11 then I got laid off. So if I was still flying I would take you up on that! Now Im just stuck in the south where nothing like that goes on! :(

[brainshrub]

84. Just go.

You'll regret it for the rest of your life if you don't. What could you POSSIBLY be doing now that you couldn't drop for a week?

Come on! I'm flying out of Charlotte to Reno on the 30th. Don't tell me you don't have some frequent-flier miles or inside-connections!

Just do it already! Rainbow is a pilgrimage. Pilgrimages aren't supposed to be easy! Just come. Trust that the Universe will provide your needs.

Do it.

[msmcghee]

80. Well, I dreamed I saw the silver spaceship coming . .

In the yellow haze of the sun
There were children cryin' and colors flyin'
All around the chosen ones

All in a dream, all in a dream, the loading had begun
They were flyin' mother nature's silver seed to a new home in the sun
They were flyin' mother nature's silver seed to a new home in the sun

:hippie:

[spanone]

87. Peace.

[Zomby Woof]

89. since the Reagan era

The credo of the me-genration assholes has been "make money, and love it."

[Beam Me Up]

90. First I was Translucent . . .

Then I became Transparent . . .

Finally (finally) I was Absent . . .
         
        ~Jefferson Starship "Blows Against TheEmpire"

In the mean time. . .I'M STILL HERE!!!

:crazy:

[kentuck]

94. They moved to a little old town just outside Woodstock....

Hoping for the Second Coming...So they would be close...Maybe Hendrix would return...Still wearing their tie-dye t-shirts - still loving the world and the goodness in people - still enjoying the fruits and herbs of the earth...They help their neighbors down the road...because they understand that we all may be needed to fight the enemy of oppression whenever and wherever it may appear...

[hansolsen]

97. Well, I'm an old "hippie" and I want to know where the songs are

The last time we organized a mostly peaceful revolution and shoved a bad war up the establishment's ass, we had great music, free love, cheap pot, and women who were burning their bras. As the old saying goes -- it was cool.

So here is what I want to know -- who is the new Bob Dylan? Where are the poets and the song writers? When will Woodstock '04 happen?

All this political organizing is hard work, and blogging is mostly a solo sport. The revolution will die of starvation unless the poets feed us. Where the hell are they?

And what are all the pretty girls going to burn this time?

Holding on to the memories -- reporting for duty -- one old hippie right here.

[kentuck]

99. "Well God said to Abraham...kill me a son"

"Abe said Man, you must be putting me on..." :)

[hansolsen]

107. Sorry, I don't get it???? N/T

[kentuck]

110. Well, how familiar are you with the "old" Bob Dylan ?

:)

[hansolsen]

119. Dylan is Bobby Zimmerman

He grew up in my home town of Hibbing, Mn. I went to school with his younger brother, David.

I know a few of his songs, but I'm old and senile -- give me a break. I'm sure you have a valid reference -- it's just over my head. Peace

[kentuck]

121. I don't think you are as old and senile as you would have us believe

:) You might even be related to an old hippie...

[hansolsen]

123. Well, I'm sixty and my wife will certify to the onset of senility.

I'm fight'n it though.

[TacticalPeek]

122. Dylan's song "Highway 61 Revisited", from his album of the same name.

"Highway '61 Revisited"

Well, God said to Abraham "Kill me a son"

Abe said "Man, you must be putting me on"

God said "No"

Abe said "What"

God said "You do what you want to, Abe but
The next time you see me coming, you'd better run"

Abe said "Where do you want this killing done?"

God said "Out on that Highway 61"

[kentuck]

125. Isn't that a great song?

I love it! :)

[hansolsen]

128. But seriously, where are the new song writers?

Where are the folk singers talking about Abu Ghraib? Where's the movie about Valerie Plame?

Hollywood and the entire music industry is AWOL on this revolution.
They're giving Shrub a pass. Darrel Hammond won't even do Bush -- it's a crying shame.

[hansolsen]

126. Thanks. I've driven Highway 61 a thousand times; never seen God

[TacticalPeek]

147. Where I've driven it in the Delta, there's plenty of blues joints.

In fact, even a blues museum.

I don't think I'm quite up to seeing God just yet, but some of the 12-bar masters come close.

:)

[randr]

100. Moved to Montana, got myself a dentalfloss farm

[Mari333]

102. Im right here. n/t

[mmonk]

103. I'm here

but now my hair is shorter and grayer and my facial hair is just a mustache.

[kodi]

108. dude, two words: soylent granola

.

[Zomby Woof]

109. HAHAHA!

Oh shit... too funny.

(and for all the self-professed hippies who hate me now, I want them to wrap their heads around me groovin' at a Dead concert, before Jerry went to the Great Bong In The Sky...)

But that would require imagination, an acceptance of life's complexities, and not a bit of intelligence, but I digress.

[TacticalPeek]

114. ROFLMAO! n/t

[Zomby Woof]

112. bleeding ponytails

Pining for Woodstock and those acid-tinged days before selling their souls...

There are so many answers to what is essentially a futile question. :-)

[mwdem]

150. Yo, Zom...

we now have kids, and we're trying our best to educate them. We're corporate, housewives, whatever, but we're still here, and we will be heard.

[Zomby Woof]

154. I think my definition doesn't exactly converge...

I think what most people call a "hippie" and what I call a "hippie" aren't the same thing. But what is really interesting from a sociologocal standpoint is the egocentric replies I am getting no matter how many times I make this clear.

But besides that...

What's with the "we" business? That is the kind of self-serving rhetoric I mock in this thread. "We" are all in this together, and until boomers realize that they are not the be-all and end-all of the universe, "we" will not make any real progress, will "we"?

I guess I have learned a few things:

1. Boomers think very highly of themselves and like to be reminded of how swell they are, often.

2. Telling them that they are NOT swell, or the greatest generation to come down the pike in world history, will get you a world of scorn and condescending derision.

3. Boomers did not end Vietnam, start the Civil Rights era, or keep Nixon from being elected twice, or Reagan either. In fact, they voted for Reagan in droves. They also hate being reminded of this unpleasant fact.

4. Hippies still suck. So do yuppies, the natural offshoot of this most narcissistic of generations in America.

But I still love ya, because although you may be a boomer, you shouldn't degrade yourself with the hippie label. :-)

[mwdem]

158. I did not vote for Reagan, and I surely am swell...

and you know you love me, so there! I also prostested against Viet Nam in D.C. and my older brother went to Da Nang. Admit it, my generation totally ruled!!! And you generation did what?

[mrdmk]

113. Hippies in hiding, Beatniks in storage

Just trying to survive in this materialistic world.

Besides anybody here been to Berkley, California lately. Believe me, there are plenty there.

[Cookie wookie]

115. Well I'll be damned

Here comes your ghost again
But that's not unusual
It's just that the moon is full
And you happened to call
And here I sit

[Cookie wookie]

118. how about . . .

straight and sober, MoveOn-ing, Anti-Iraq war protesting, Dean loving, corporate media hating, working our bloody hearts out to help save Democracy in America!!!

[Sugarbleus]

129. Still here, a little grey, a little pudgy...still rockin' the boat...

:hippie: :hi:

[Tamiati]

131. Still kicking it up

Hey, I wasn't actually old enough to participate then......I was like 12 when Kent State happened....(that was a huge thing to most, it shut things down in so many way.....I mean for Christ's sake our government was shooting at students)!!

I'll share with you the one thing I never lost sight of though ....it WAS (& still is)......A counter-revolution to the ESTABLISHMENT who today are known as the "neo-cons", to fight for the rights of all humanity against the Evil of corporate America & their need for wealth & ultimate power/supremcy. :thumbsup:

Today @ 45, still questioning authority, (always will) and teaching my kids to do the same.....Stand for your principles and SPEAK UP and be HEARD!! Don't give up.....EVER!!


:smoke: :hippie: Keep, Keeping On!!!

[mwdem]

134. Hey, we're all still here...

and I hope we're all still looking after you....

[Renew Deal]

137. Kill the hippies

[Carolina]

138. still here

disguised by middle-aged greying, middle class trappings
but still fightin' the man and ragin' against the machine

[peacebuzzard]

145. Peace! Hey, I'm here!

Just got in a little late tonight. I burned down the highway from Memphis today. (the only thing I can burn anymore,....)

[democrank]

152. Old Vermont hippie right here.....

driving a beater,shopping at Salvation Army, living the simple life, content as can be. Never sold out and never will.

[rman]

153. It seems their disapperance coincides

with the gearing up of the RW propaganda machine as described by David Brock in "Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative" - the machine were liberals are '30 years and billions of dollars behind' as explained in the UC Berkeley article "Framing the issues" http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml.

"In 1970, Lewis Powell wrote a fateful memo to the National Chamber of Commerce saying that all of our best students are becoming anti-business because of the Vietnam War, and that we needed to do something about it. Powell's agenda included getting wealthy conservatives to set up professorships, setting up institutes on and off campus where intellectuals would write books from a conservative business perspective, and setting up think tanks. He outlined the whole thing in 1970. They set up the Heritage Foundation in 1973, and the Manhattan Institute after that. "

The rest, as the saying goes, is history.