New RW Talking Points Re: Michael Moore

[phillybri]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628041moore1.html

Prior to last week's Washington, D.C. premiere of "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore denied that the new documentary represents his de facto endorsement of John Kerry. "I am an Independent," the filmmaker told reporters. "I'm not a member of the Democratic party."

Which is not exactly correct.

New York City Board of Elections records show that Moore, 50, registered to vote in Gotham in 1992, checking off "Democratic" as his party affiliation. He listed his address as the swanky Upper West Side building where he owns a multimillion dollar condominium (Moore's office is on West 57th Street). The filmmaker's New York registration remains active...

But, wait, there's more (pun intended). He may have committed a crime also:

Moore is simultaneously registered to vote in Michigan....We're sure this is some kind of innocent mix-up, that Moore forgot to cancel his New York registration before signing up in Michigan. Though, as a New York City voter, TSG can tell you it's hard not to realize you are registered, since a voter's mailbox is regularly bombarded with candidate mail, official voter guides, and Board of Election notices about upcoming elections and reminders about the location of your polling place.

[mstrsplinter326]

1. Who qualifies as a member?

And who gives a ----? Typical repukkks , when the issues are ALL against you, attack those who present facts.

[cletusvandamme]

19. True

The repugs are disgusting but MOORE IS NOT A FACT PRESENTER! He makes all progressives look bad with his propaganda.

[Bunny]

20. Really?

I've got around 23.5 million reasons why you are wrong!

[Bridget Burke]

21. Nope. He makes us proud.

He creates work of art with facts & opinion combined.

[Lugnut]

22. Well then,

You are welcome to refute his "facts" in F911. Links, please. :)


On edit: brain cobwebs

[magnolia]

24. The various clips that make up the movie are fact.

Obviously they aren't actors reading a script. The narrative by Michael Moore is his opinion and he doesn't claim otherwise. If you could see the movie without the narrative it still says the same thing. Anyone with half a brain could connect the dots. The narrative offers the gentle voice, reason and humor that make this devastating tragedy bearable.

[RetroLounge]

25. You disrupted poorly, You Cheney-Head.

Stupid Mother-Cheney.

Cheney You!

RL

[phillybri]

27. This is two threads you've crudded up, cletus...

What is your deal?

[mstrsplinter326]

28. Smells like a repukkk in here...

Not a fact presenter? If the things he said in his movie we false he would be immediately sued for slander.

Lions Gate would not produce a documentary that was not entirely false, they have too much to lose.


What's Moore's propaganda? Futher the political asperations of his candidate Clark? Bring down the lying, cheating Bush adminstration?


What a terrible thing to do...

[noonwitch]

2. I thought that when you moved and registered at the new address...

The old city/precinct/township was notified to remove you from their rolls? It's not the individual's fault if he moves and registers at the new address, if the previous voting place hasn't removed him from their rolls.

[RobertSeattle]

5. Exactly

I don't believe there is any process to "de-register" yourself to vote - it is done by the registrars. It's also a non-issue unless you actually vote twice in the same type of election.

[Warpy]

10. Local voter fraud in 2000

involved rich Texans with vacation property here crossing state lines to vote again in this state for their little tin Jesus. It was quite a scandal here, where the largely deserted vacation communitires found themselves inundated with votes for Idiot.

It may be illegal to be registered in two states, but it's usually inadvertant, unless you're a Repuglican. Voting in two states is generally impractical, unless you're wealthy or close to the border.

I've never been told to remove my name from the old voter rolls when I have moved and reregistered. I imagine the idea of jetting off to one's old state to vote twice only occurs to Repuglicans.

[stopbush]

29. Since 1989, I've lived at 6 different addresses in 5 different cities.

I have always re-registered to vote when I've moved into the new address. I have NEVER *de-registered* myself from the old addresses.

That said, I was not maintaining multiple addresses as MM does in Mich and NYC.

[thebigidea]

3. I trust the RW will give this all the attention they gave O'Reilly's lie

After all, they aren't hypocrites or anything.

[spanone]

4. ....and so?????

This does not diminish ONE FRAME of F911.

[Sweetpea]

6. He is allowed to vote independent if he was registered

as a Democrat in 92. We hope many Republicans vote Democrat this year. That doesn't make someone a hypocrite.

[Bozita]

7. Moore's waiting in ambush

Loaded for bear:

http://www.iht.com/articles/525560.html

Moore is readying for a conservative counterattack, saying he has created a "war room" to offer an instant response to any assault on the film's credibility. He has retained Chris Lehane, a Democratic Party strategist known as a master of the black art of "oppo," or opposition research, used to discredit detractors. He also hired outside fact-checkers, led by a former general counsel of The New Yorker and a veteran member of that magazine's legendary fact-checking team, to vet the film. And he is threatening to go one step further, saying he has consulted with lawyers who can bring defamation suits against anyone who maligns the film or damages his reputation. "Any attempts to libel me will be met by force," Moore said. "The most important thing we have is truth on our side. If they persist in telling lies, knowingly telling a lie with malice, then I'll take them to court."

more...

[comsymp]

30. Chris Lehane.

Great.

Too bad someone with a little more character, say Larry Flint, was otherwise engaged.

Other than that, it's a great idea.

[keithyboy]

8. Nothing they say can change the FACTS!!!

Nothing they say will bring back 860 American soldiers. Nothing they say will justify what this administration has done and continues to do...NOTHING!!!

[Cocoa]

9. Moore campaigned and voted for Nader in 2000

and checking off "D" when you register doesn't make you a "member of the democratic party," so Moore wasn't lying.

God this is lame.

Note that Snopes totally blew it about Moore too, regarding the Saudi flights.

And the wortheless "Factcheck.org" blew it about Moore and Bush/AWOL.

[Misunderestimator]

11. Oh PLEASE.... I have moved too many times to remember...

And I have NEVER cancelled a voter registration... just registered in the new location. Damn that's lame.

Has anyone else CANCELLED a registration?

[Cat Atomic]

12. Moore could be an alien from Venus and it wouldn't change the

fact that his movie is full of damning truths.

[BlueEyedSon]

13. Yeah, and he's kinda FAT too... and he needs, like, a SHAVE!

So there!

[k in IA]

14. I have been registered to vote in 6 places through college, law

school, first job, various moves to various states and I have never canceled my registration anywhere. I didn't know you could or should do that. Does anyone do it?

This is going nowhere except the Democratic registration which I assume he can explain by his support of Clark and wanting to vote in the NY primary for him.

[SeattleRob]

15. Sad...

This is further evidence that the right wing is grasping at straws.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

16. Cancel his registration?

What a load of happy horseshit that is! I don't know about every state, but the State of Ohio doesn't even have a mechanism for "canceling" your voter registration. You simply stay on the rolls for a certain period of time and are dropped if you remain inactive for too long.

Anybody who has moved from one state to another likely has dual voting registration. As I said before, I don't know the regs for every state, but none that I know of require you to officially "cancel" your registration in your old state.

Is this the best they can do?

[Kazak]

17. Rightwing talking point #8578345794b

Don't like the message? Destroy the messenger.

Isn't it getting a bit tired?

[Mixxster]

18. OK, I've never cancelled a voter registration when I moved.

Also, I think Moore considers himself an independent and he did vote for Nader in 2000. However, in all fairness, the same type of "proof" was used against O'Reilly a few years ago.

[AP]

23. The law prohibits voting in two places. People rarely "unregister" after

moving, although, technically, you should. It's not a crime if you don't.

[lapislzi]

26. I work with my local board of elections (as a party volunteer)

and these printouts are updated and spit out daily, and there are STILL errors on them. My own husband showed up with the wrong address, and we'd updated it 18 months before when he renewed his driver's license. And the guy next door's been dead for a year, but he's still registered as a dem. It's not a very precise system. We mail out the little cards that tell you where to vote, and if they come back with "moved" or "deceased" or something like that, then we remove the name. Believe me, we're much more interested in getting voters ON the rolls than in taking them off.

[Q]

31. It's not a 'crime' to be registered to vote in two places...

...but it IS a crime to actually vote in both places.

- The RWingers are desparate: even bringing up the fact that Moore HAS MONEY in an attempt to turn off fans and supporters. Since when do RWingers think money is a disqualifiying factor? But...unlike many RWing fat cats...Moore earned his money the old fashioned way...he earned it through hard work.

[Mari333]

32. They have yet to refute ONE fact in F 9/11

Until they do, they are blowing smoke out their arse.
=)
Makes them look even worse.

[VolcanoJen]

33. How many states is Bush registered to vote in? What about Cheney?

What a straw man...

[Bozita]

37. In 2000, Cheney flew to Wyoming to change his voter registration

He was a Texas resident and voter at that time.

The Repug ticket was all Texas.

[tom_paine]

34. As usual, they expose their Organzied Double-Voting Plan by accusing us

of doing what they do.

Thanks, guys, we KNEW you were up to that already, but it's nice to get confirmation.

NOW will you PLEASE tell us how "we" intend to block millions of ballots, stuff millions of ballots, and go in using corporately-supplied backdoors to Electronic Stalin Machines?

C'mon. What do "we" intend to do?

[emulatorloo]

35. BCD - Big Cheney Deal n/t

[ScreamingMeemie]

36. I'll sit back and wait for the libel suits to come in...

So far I am not impressed. :)