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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 09:28 PM
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Can Hispanics "Take" California BACK???!!!--for Our Beloved Dem Pary
Edited on Sun Aug-17-03 09:40 PM by UTUSN
There's a Mexican proverb: Mexicans are like crabs in a pail; as soon as ONE of them tries to crawl up the side of the pail, the rest are clinging/hanging on and DRAGGING him/her DOWN.

O.K., so I submit that EACH sub-group of the Dem umbrella has SOMEBODY to be ashamed of: 1) Blacks, Clarence THOMAS, 2) Gays, any Gay-Closeted-Repuke. 3) Hispanics, Miguel ESTRADA. And we could go ON.

Here we have an Affirmative Action/ NPR/ WashPostColumnist "Latino" doing what he ALWAYS does (take the Repuke side). His name is "Ruben NAVARRETTE, Jr" (isn't that FRENCH?) Anyway, he decides to use his national voice to say he dislikes his fellow Hispanic.


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http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/nava0812.htm

As a Mexican-American native of California, I never thought I'd be reacting with such ambivalence to the possibility that the state might elect its first Latino governor in modern times.

Of course, nor did I ever imagine that I'd be coming to the defense of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Wrong on both counts. While I can't seem to get too worked up over the idea of a Gov. Cruz Bustamante, neither can I get the smile off my face at the mere thought of a Gov. Schwarzenegger. ....

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1) First the KELLER Doctrine, that there might be a superior candidate (GORE), but the twit (Shrub) is not boring. Just substitute the Dem names in CA for GORE and Ahhhnuld for Shrub.

2) Note the twisted rhetorical device: He says BUSTAMANTE “dutifully insists” opposition to the recall, but has “declared his candidacy” and is out to “persuade” voters to see him as an alternative to *DAVIS*. No, NAVARRETTE, he’s an alternative to the other candidates IF there is a recall.

3) He’s not “excited” about “Cruz” on the grounds of having known him for 10 years and not being impressed with his leadership. He then lists BUSTAMANTE’s resume, who worked himself up from aide to legislator to speaker to LT Gov----but this is not seen to be an accomplishment, unlike, say, stripping nude and bombasting words written by others. Instead, BUSTAMANTE’s experience is interpreted to be just partisan hack stuff and aimed always at “political calculation”-----why would somebody engaged in professional politics be doing that?

4) Like Tweety MATTHEWS, this maverick NAVARRETTE, while pretending to “independence” actually always comes down on the side, not of the underdogs, but of the most powerful, the most “instant recognition”, and the most “substantial resources” alternative available.

5) NAVARRETTE criticizes the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and the “national media” for the “rude reception” they gave him for UNFAIRLY “pummeling” on the grounds of Ahhhnuld’s “being reluctant to answer questions.” NAVARRETTE says Ahhnuld should NOT have to give us a clue about his ideology, which just might give his enemies “ammunition.” Oh. But somebody help me, anybody, why should the Democratic Party be welcoming Ahhnuld or anybody advocating the recall?--please 'splain.

6) And finally, NAVARRETTE returns to the criteria in place since 2000 for choosing candidates: Do not, he says, go by such trivialities as qualifications, experience, policy positions. No. What we should go by is EXCITEMENT and “his story”.
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VoteClark Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 09:34 PM
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1. Why should they?
I think Hispanics should not have to unite or be of one body/mind.
All the Hispanics I know think and act differently. The only thing they should be united in is when it comes the rights of Hispanics.

:kick:
J4Clark
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 09:47 PM
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4. why hang together? Cause it is time
Edited on Sun Aug-17-03 09:48 PM by mitchtv
that's why. The Pukes will stab Latinos in the Back. As the old 60's song says beware of "smiling Faces"(Arnold). One Person is Uniquely qualified to look after Latino rights in Calif., and has proven it , Cruz Bustamante.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 09:34 PM
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2. I saw that too, although I could not finish it
I just hope for a big turnout in the Bay area. Cruz won a local tv poll out here in Coachella Valley last week, and this is freeperville (Socal other). So I am trying to be optimistic. Jesse Ventura slammed the recall last night on Real Time .
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 09:46 PM
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3. Thanks for a Thoughtful Reply
I'm posting this, then "refreshing" to post one of my trademark "irrational" replies. (Really, really appreciate, O.K.?)
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 09:48 PM
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5. Here's CHEENEE's Classics Dept NeoCon
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 09:53 PM
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6. Here' Why BUSTAMANTE Will Win
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.... How did the old assimilationist model work? Brutally and effectively. In our grammar schools during the 1950s and 1960s, no Spanish was to be spoken on the playground—officially at least. Groups of four and larger were not allowed to congregate at recess. When we were caught fighting, nontraditional kicking instead of the accepted punching earned four, rather than two, spankings. A rather tough Americanism in class was rammed down our throats—biographies of Teddy Roosevelt, stories about Lou Gehrig, a repertory of a dozen or so patriotic songs, recitations from Longfellow, and demonstrations of how to fold the flag. “Manners” and “civics” were taught each week, with weird lessons about not appearing “loud” in public or wearing glittery or showy clothes, and especially not staring down strangers or giving people the “hard look” with the intent of “being unpleasant.” Our teachers were at times insufferable in their condescension as they disclosed the formula for “making it in America”—but make it in America the vast majority of these immigrants did.

Apparently, these rather unsophisticated teachers thought that learning to master English and acquire the rudiments of math, American literature, and national culture were more valuable to the immigrant than were racial studies, ....
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 10:07 PM
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7. (I'll Just Keep Discussing Among Myself)
Edited on Sun Aug-17-03 10:10 PM by UTUSN
I took these two semesters of ancient Chinese history, and the over-riding theme was that no matter what barbarian group invaded, the MAJOR Chinese CULTURE would, within a couple of generations, SWALLOW UP and plain SWALLOW --------on edit: "swallow" up the barbarians (they would become "Chinese", O.K.?).

Well, alrighty then.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 10:14 PM
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8. Talk About Your Thoughtful, Quality GD Thread! n/t
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