Black Box: Happy little visitors to BBV.com and .org include:

[BevHarris]

- SAIC
- Diebold - Votehere - Diebold - Votehere - Diebold - Votehere - Diebold etc...
- Department of Defense
- Baker & Botts
- Department of Justice
- Bahrain telecommunications
- House.gov
- House Information Services

(are we having fun yet?)

[ewagner]

1. Gave link

I gave out the link to Congressman Dave Obey's office Saturday night. I hope that "House.gov" was his staff.

[Clete]

2. You're becoming infamous. LOL

:-)

[radwriter0555]

36. That means she's doing it RIGHT! YEAH BAYBAY! Knock it ON!

that's AWESOME!

Stay out of small planes and off bridges please. Don't go for walks alone either.

[cybildisobedience]

3. Bev, are encouraged....

...discouraged, or frightened by the roster of those interested?
Seems like you rattled some cages....

[shirlden]

I'm impressed, but

I don't see the name of my Sec. of State, Mr. Ken Blackwell. I have sent him the link and suggested that he get himself educated on the problems of electronic voting security. He just won't listen to me. Guess I am going to have to try harder.

:argh:

[truth2power]

16. Hi Shirlden!

:hi:

[InkAddict]

20. Last time I checked, it was

courteous and a mark of superior "character" to reply to a correspondent. How much time have you given him for a reply? Guess he's forgotten his little website lecture citing the traits of good character.

I'm no "Emily Post" either at times, but I despise hypocrites spouting off morality and refusing to practice just plain good manners. And this issue is so very, very important. Citizens of Ohio need to know that the voting process will not be compromised and manipulated.

[realFedUp]

4. No news media?

or don't they leave marks on the carpet?

[althecat]

5. Hi Bev...

Kick...

[althecat]

10. Recent readers of inside a vote counting programme include..

norfolk.gov
epa.gov
hanford.gov
usps.gov
quantico.usmc.mil


For the uninitiated to the minutae of web logging ... internet logs record the IP address of every hit on the web. Some logging programmes then conduct a reverse look up which sometimes provides an IP address identifiable as coming from a .gov or .mil domain... this identifies the server that requested the story.

Media are harder to track down in logs as they do not have a .media domain to identify them. They also often use commerical ISPs and just show up as proxy's or they have there security settings not provide a reverse look-up.

There is this one

mh.bbc.co.uk

al

[graham67]

32. usps.gov, quantico.usmc.mil?

:wtf:

[goobergunch]

48. USPS.gov is the postal service...

and I'm guessing that quantico.usmc.mil is the Marine Corps base in Quantico, VA.

[althecat]

12. Recent readers of USACOUP include

Recent readers of Scoop's "A Very American Coup" Page include...

gov.bc.ca
gsi.gov.uk
dca.ca.gov
usdoj.gov
misawa.af.mil
nmci.navy.mil
wsmr.army.mil
nipr.mil
thls.bbc.co.uk

[Pastiche423]

6. My, my, my

what important visitors you have!

Stay safe, Bev!

[PaDUer]

45. And, don't be surprised if

they're reading these threads also and already know where we all live..

[hang a left]

50. I have been wondering if they

know who each and every DU'er is. I bet they do, I am gonna go look up my street, see if there is any strange cars. Then I am gonna take my pills.

[Oilwellian]

7. Hmmmm

Bahrain telecommunications? What would their interest be on this issue? Baker & Botts? Are they perhaps looking for a way to sue?

On Edit: The more I think about Baker & Botts, the more I wonder WHO asked them to study this issue.

[arcos]

19. probably just an employee who is interested in the story...n/t

[SharonAnn]

44. Since it's James Baker's firm, maybe he asked them to check

it out?

He will want to know if all the ways they plan to steal the next election have been discovered.

[KeepItReal]

8. That's some lineup, BevHarris

I hope they (Diebold types) learn something....and I hope it is not how to build a better mousetrap.

Thanks for all you've done Bev!

[arcane1]

9. hehehe, I consider that good news!

my county's Clerk-Recorder is on the scene, though I don't know if he's visited the site...

I heard that San Francisco is suing ES&S

[LeftCoast]

21. I hadn't heard this

Could you provide any link or info?

TIA

[KoKo]

11. Bahrain Communications......well that's a nifty little one.............

Have they visited you before? One to check out in Google...I would think....why are they so interested in "BBV?"

[shirlden]

13. Bahrain Communications

Bahrain Communications

Telephones - main lines in use 141,000 (1995)

Telephones - mobile cellular 130,000 (1999 est.)
From the Fact Book


Telephone system modern system; good domestic services and excellent international connections
domestic:modern fiber-optic integrated services; digital network with rapidly growing use of mobile cellular telephones
international:tropospheric scatter to Qatar and UAE; microwave radio relay to Saudi Arabia; submarine cable to Qatar, UAE, and Saudi Arabia; satellite earth stations - 2 Intelsat (1 Atlantic Ocean and 1 Indian Ocean) and 1 Arabsat

Radio broadcast stations AM 2, FM 3, shortwave 0 (1998)

Radios 338,000 (1997)

Television broadcast stations 4 (1997)

Televisions 275,000 (1997)

Internet Service Providers (ISPs) 3 (1999)

[depakid]

14. VoteHere- spooky

On their Board of Advisors is one Dr. Robert Gates:

Dr. Robert Gates has 27 years experience as an intelligence professional for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), including serving as Director of Central Intelligence from November 1991 until January 1993. Currently, Dr. Gates is the Dean of the Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M University, a position he has held since 1999.

Dr. Gates has been awarded the National Security Medal, the Presidential Citizens Medal, has twice received the National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal, and has three times received the CIA’s highest award, the Distinguished Intelligence Medal.

Dr. Gates is the author of From the Shadows: The Ultimate Insider’s Story of Five Presidents and How They Won the Cold War and lectures frequently in the United States and abroad.

He is as a member of the national executive board of the Boy Scouts of America and president of the National Eagle Scout Association. Additional affiliations include being a member of the board of trustees of the Fidelity Funds, and a member of the boards of directors of TRW, Inc., LucasVarity, and NACCO Industries. Dr. Gates also serves as senior adviser and consultant to several major international firms.

Dr. Gates received his BA degree from the College of William and Mary, his Master’s degree in history from Indiana University, and his Ph.D. in Russian and Soviet history from Georgetown University.

From their website.

Their Chairman and Co-CEO is one Admiral Bill Owens:

Admiral Bill Owens serves as the Company's Chairman. Currently, Bill Owens is Co-CEO and Vice Chairman of Teledesic, a global broadband networking company. Previously, he was President, Chief Operating Officer and Vice Chairman of Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), the nation’s largest employee-owned high-technology company.

During his distinguished military career, Bill Owens held the rank of four-star Admiral in the US Navy and served as Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He also served as the deputy chief of Naval Operations for Resources, Warfare Requirements and Assessments, commander of the US Sixth Fleet, senior military assistant to Secretaries of Defense Frank Carlucci and Dick Cheney and director of the Office of Program Appraisal for the Secretary of the Navy.

Admiral Owens is a graduate of the US Naval Academy with a bachelor’s degree in mathematics. He has bachelors and masters degrees in politics, philosophy and economics from Oxford University and a master’s in management from George Washington University.

These guys are promoting paperless "third party" DRE verification systems. In other words, they are auditing electrons in an effort to deflect criticism from computer scientists like Dill, Jones, Mercuri & Neumann. As if there wasn't already enough to worry about....

[never cry wolf]

24. very spooky

i feel all itchy.

[hang a left]

51. Oh MY GOD!

Please deliver us from this madness. The more I read the scarier it all gets.

[Generic Other]

15. Baker and Botts

google:
<snip>
Baker Botts law firms - dallas law firms houston law firms energy lawyers austin...<snip>

That wouldn't be our little old vote stealing friend James Baker, now would it?

[mike6640]

17. I believe so.

If memory serves.

[SharonAnn]

18. Absolutely, that's the right James Baker

"the votes have been counted nad recounted and recounted"

[nannygoat]

43. And the one whose firm is representing Saudi Arabia

against the families of 9/11 victims... what a sleazy, traitorous bunch.

[alfredo]

22. It is important that we keep the visibility high

I don't think the DoJ is going to be on the side of the voter on this.

I wonder if Asskiss took any money from ES&S or Diebold?

[americanstranger]

23. I've got an employee from Baker & Botts

who visits Blah3.com regularly.

Funny - she's a good progressive, with a job in the bowels of conservative hell. Seems like a happy person, too - dunno how she does it.

-as

[Gordon25]

25. Kick

:kick:

Gordon25

[grasswire]

26. corporate profile for Bahrain Telecommunications

http://www.batelco.com.bh/profile.htm

veddy veddy interesting

[Vadem]

27. Kick!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[symbolman]

28. We've had all those guys at TBTM

AND the White House, Secret Service, info systems there..

the truth is, you have nice mellow progressive fans in all those places..

at least that's my fantasy..

remember, YOU are a resource for them :)

Keep up the good work, you're an earth shaker,

best,

symbolman

[Dover]

29. BEV, a question for you and anyone who worked on the voting machine

story......

Based on the research you've done so far, is the whole story out now, or are you still holding some cards?

I ask because when I've inquired before as to whether there is actual evidence of foul play and intentional manipulations of votes that would incriminate someone or a company, I've received cryptic answers and smiley faces and teaser lines about how much more there is to come. There was also some discussion about having come across evidence that this type of fraud potential goes clear back to elections a decade or more ago.

Can you clear this up once and for all for me? Between your book and what has been released in the press.....have we seen all your cards or is there more to this story?

on edit: Just want to add that I realize BBV research is ongoing and this post is in no way a criticism or an..."is that all she wrote"...type complaint. I'm blown away and forever grateful for what you and your persistent, talented and patriotic band of midnight riders have successfully uncovered and stirred up. You have planted the doubt and caused states to rethink their use of e-voting technology. The main goal, I realize is to prevent future fraud. But there was some noise made by yourself and others connected to this investigation that there was "more".....and I'm wondering if there IS.

[BeFree]

31. Take yer head outta the sand, Dover

There is more to this story than can EVER be told.

Vote stealing is as American as Apple Pie. This is just the tip of the iceberg of the Poll-looting of Democracy.

Not to criticize you, Dover....but I just can't help myself. Get yer head outta the sand!

[Trajan]

35. The evidence is 'circumstantial' .... but very strong ...

For instance: ... there is no evidence that the software used in Georgia in the midterms was actually certified ... There are anecdotes by poll workers that software was altered and updated with patches on election day, meaning such these 'fixes' could not POSSIBLY be certifed ....

Using uncertified software for voting machines is simply umacceptable .... Diebold and its proponents point to the certification process as PROOF of their honesty, in lieu of allowing open source verification of its source code: ... We CANNOT allow proprietary code to be hidden on the pretense that the code is fully vetted and tested and certified, if in FACT the code is NOT fully vetted, tested, and certified ....

Using freshly written updates ON election day PROVES that at least: .... Georgia's elections were processed on an uncertified voting system ..... at the LEAST this is true .....

Furthermore: ... the circumstantial evidence of the numerous swings in public sentiment, previously referred to as "Diebold Magic", would lead a reasonable person to at least QUESTION the veracity of the Georgia vote: ... these swings, across the board, in one locale, are unprecedented in history ....

Furthermore: .... the memory cards that were 'misplaced' and totally lost during the election is an utter disenfranchisement of many of the good voters of Georgia ... Such a shoddy lack of protocols CANNOT but lead to grave doubts about the propriety of the election process in the hands of those associated with the elections in Georgia ....

Given this circumstantial evidence, and the FACTUAL evidence that unproven, uncertified software WAS used: ... We have every right to question the integrity of the process in Georgia, and for ANY other place that has similar issues ....

There is NO absolute 'direct' evidence the proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that a fraud was perpetrated in Georgia, ... but there is ENOUGH doubt in the actual processes used that day to warrant doubt, and to strongly question the results of that election .....

There is no direct evidence of Fire, ... but there is a WHOLE Lotta smoke: .... dontcha think we should find out why so much smoke is there ? ....

I think so ...

[Dover]

40. Thank you for your thorough answer!

I have always "believed" that the circumstancial evidence along with a feeling in my gut was indication enough that there was some serious fraud going on. And yes, I'd love it if someone found out WHY there is so much smoke. But it sounds unlikely from what you've said that the smoking gun will ever be discovered unless someone blows the whistle.

I was trying to stick with this BBV endeavor from it's inception as best I could (having little if any techinical understanding). It was like reading a novel I couldn't put down. And I cheered for my heros. I just feel like alot of "smoke" was also coming from folks working on the Blackbox investigation and wanted to know if there was a definitive ending and confirmation of fraud.

So I very much appreciate your frank answer and will assume you speak for Bev and the others who worked on it that there is NO evidence that can be traced directly to a source, beyond a circumstantial link. And I'll let go of that hope....

[BevHarris]

41. No reason to assume that.

And never assume anyone speaks for me.

But hey, Trajan, I really liked what you wrote. In fact, borrowed a line for a press release, the one about them asking us to trust, based on certification. And now, we can't seem to lay our hands on those certification documents...

Bev

[Dover]

42. Bev, You HAVE a smoking gun?

If you will answer just that question with a yes or a no...then no more assumptions from me. Or if you feel you can't reveal that now, then just say that.

I love a mystery as much as the next guy, and the BBV saga is certainly one of the best and most important real time mysteries in existence imo. But the cryptic crumbs have been frustrating to say the least(confounded further by the fact that I don't speak the techinical language). Just looking for a little plain English or a good interpreter!

[Eloriel]

30. Yeah, I'm having fun!

Fascinating lists, huh?

:kick:

Eloriel

[Robb]

33. Bev, about your hits

I've been studying my own hitlog for quite awhile, obviously in the Flight 93 arena there's lots of .mil and .gov hits; but the truth is, someone who's only slightly savvy knows not to click-through from a readily identifiable IP.

The .gov and .mil domains are probably the idly curious, wasting time at lunch (at least that's been my observation). You'll never get a recorded hit from someone who's intent on sneaking around. IP spoofing is an old art, especially among the Alphabet Agencies.

Keep it up!

[chadm]

49. I agree

I used to have an on-line diary with similarly "scary" addresses. Doesn't mean much. But of course this story is getting attention...we all know that.

[leesa]

34. Baker and Botts, DOD and the Department of injustice!

Jeepers, stay out of small planes!

[donsu]

37. Kick

nt

[Nlighten1]

38. I get those guys all the time plus DARPA.

I usually record their IP addresses in a database.

[nolabels]

39. A little kick and a note

I do not think we are alone here. The things that are going on here seem part and parcel of this whole gang of thugs that float from one capital to another. Who here was thinking that how great of thing it was that went on in the balkens, try this out

http://news.beograd.com/english/articles_and_opinion/djurdjevic/index.html

http://news.beograd.com/english/articles_and_opinion/djurdjevic/001107_the_dos_vote_fraud.html


New World Order
Bob Djurdjevic
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nov. 7, 2000
New World Order and the Serbs
The DOS Vote Fraud
This is the third and final column of a three-part series devoted to the Yugoslav elections and its aftermath.
The plot as old as theft. A thief is caught in the act. So he yells to the crowd - "catch the thief!", running after another person. Then, as people converge on the new suspect, the thief quietly disappears in the crowd.

Well before any votes had been cast, let alone counted, the Serb DOS leaders, including Vojislav Kostunica, kept accusing the Slobodan Milosevic regime of planning a vote fraud. They knew Milosevic would cheat. So decided to outcheat him.

The western and Serb opposition media took part in the plot by echoing these accusations without bothering to let the crime be committed first.

Now, there is no doubt that Slobodan Milosevic did try to cheat with the Sep. 24 vote count. His regime had become corrupt to the core during the last 10 years, so what's one more little white lie to such people?

But did anyone pause, think, and then demand that the DOS leaders provide an independently corroborated PROOF of their own claims? (that Kostunica did win 52+% of the vote). Not that we know of. The DOS claims were based on reports of their own people from the polling stations. They are hardly independent and unbiased. And they had as much reason to lie and cheat as did Milosevic.

And probably did. Which is why they saw two it that electoral ballots went up in smoke above the Yugoslav parliament building on Oct. 5, so that the truth and the proof shall never be known.

Here's what a Belgrade source wrote to this writer about the DOS destruction of evidence:

"Did Kostunica really have an outright majority? At first I also thought so - now I am not so confident anymore!
(snip)

[RedEagle]

46. Kick!

:evilgrin:

[nomatrix]

47. Bev, thanks for all your work

You are doing a fantastic job. It is so difficult to stay on target.

When all is said and done, it still comes back to...

No Accountability

http://election2000.stanford.edu/

Of the officials who broke the election laws of 2000, were any ever held accountable?

Can anyone answer that?