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[bif]

1. They're friggin' idiots.

How else can you explain them?

[LynneSin]

2. or victims of botched Lobotomies

Hey PeteNYC - when are you going to come down and hang out in Philly?

[Nevernose]

5. Define "botched"

Conservatism is one of the legitimate, medical side-effects of having one's brain scrambled with a pair of needle-nose pliers.

[Brian Sweat]

31. Now you know why I call Dennis Miller a modern day Phineas Gage.

[Nevernose]

51. That was a good one

like your "cohnitive dissonanace" down below. Also very Dennis Miller in tone, as well.

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[PaDUer]

73. You're in Philly??

What part? I'm in Phila every other month..My next scheduled appt is Sept 19..maybe we should all get together? Let me know..send me a private message..

[noiretextatique]

97. stupid is as stupid does

:boring: this is your brain on bush

[Nevernose]

3. Bewildered

They leave me scratching my head, wondering, "what planet are you from? how could anyone be brain-washed that easily?"

[bookman]

4. Just had a conversation..

..with my sister. We just can't understand what the deal is with people who support this guy. I said I couldn't believe the Republicans couldn't do better. Aren't they a little embaressed?

What really get me is those stuggling to make ends meet, dealing with poor health plans, and working their butts off supporting this adminstration. There's more than I can believe.

[Misinformed01]

6. Can't stand them

I understood Republicans voting for the dumbass...I think that the ones that still actually like him, and want him elected, are just thoughtless, coldhearted jerks.

[gristy]

8. One common characteristic I've noticed

is that Bush supporters I know tend to not spend much time paying critical attention to the news AND they tend to get their news only from television. None of them are able to give an informed basis for their support of Bush.

What I feel for them is pity. I try to help them. I ask if they have a computer and what their email address is (I send out news and opinion on a regular basis to a list). I encourage them to read the newspaper. I even paid for a 3 month subscription to the NY Times for one friend. Stuff like that. I do NOT make fun of them or call them idiots.

[glitch]

37. I agree - willful ignorance and intense denial

and I've noticed a strong undercurrent of 'fear of the unknown', not just on this issue but on everything. And I pity them too, and (try hard to) use compassion when speaking with them.
Not a happy combination: fear of the unknown and little desire to know. There's no real escape.
However, listening to Jim Hightower this morning on Democracynow.org, I got some encouraging news: they make up only 17% of the population.

[Bandit]

9. If you are really pissed off at Bush* then he is doing his job

That is what motivates these people. They are just happy that you aren't happy. They don't care or consider what is really happening to America they only want to make you cry. So to them Bush* is some sort of hero.

[maggrwaggr]

34. you nailed it, Bandit

that's exactly right. It's all fed by the hate-mongers like Rush and Hannity.

As long as Bush is "anti-liberal" and hated by the "liberals" he will be absolutely LOVED by these people.

They're at war with us, have been for years, and they care about nothing else.

Which is what I realized, oh, about twenty years ago. When Reagan won the election (which still blows my mind) and appointed James Watt. And everybody cheered that the environment was going to be ravaged -- why?

Because it pissed off the liberals.

"Yes, I'll eat my own shit if it pisses you off"

[soleft]

10. They have a tribal mentality

They're the kind of people who will defend those they identify as being the same, and vilify the other.

They need to feel they are on a winning team and the only way they can feel safe is if someone is kicking ass on their behalf.

They would rather be strong than wrong, they believe Americans are God's chosen people, and that our way of life is better than other cultures.

[HootieMcBoob]

20. Wow

They sound like Yankee fans :)

[AntiCoup2K4]

41. Not neccessarily an invalid comparison.

The Yankees buy their way into the world series. The BCE bought their way into the White House. Actually, they have a great deal in common.

[Individualist]

21. Exactly

Also, they're so blinded by party loyalty that they refuse to acknowledge facts which show how corrupt chimpy is.

[xxqqqzme]

48. Xactly! That's

why U still hear people defending Nixon!

[morningtheft]

11. In Denial...

or tricked into believing that they are part something elite as a repub...I was in NYC this weekend for a wedding with old college friends. Most are Wallstreet types or in some sort of financial profession, I found they either pretend news doesn't exist or they don't care because money is all they understand. I feel as though I'll not see them again.

[salin]

25. Denial due to cognitive dissonance

I think some are aware of the news - but to realize the implications of the news - or to even acknowledge the obvious patterns to the stories (which requires thinking about that other story I read last week, and that other story a month ago, etc.) - means to acknowledge that something is very, very wrong. And with this administration - who has pushed so hard in so many directions, it is hard - once going down that path - not to worry about our whole system.

Then one is left with two kinds of denial - that may coexist.

The - what this implies about what our government is doing - is SO opposite to everything I believe about America and our system - that I would go into mental overload trying to reconcile the differences;

and the - I know its bad, but my life is good, and once I acknowledge what is going on I know something big is going to have to happen to change it, I am fearful that this change might bring about a change in my current circumstances - even though I don't know what that means... if I stay in this place a little longer (happy and comfortable) maybe it will just correct itself.


There are also those who see there is a big problem - but feel so disempowered that they think they can do nothing to change it and they feel that all politicians are the same - and are LESS inclined to do anything due to a sort of citizen/depression.

[bowens43]

12. I have nothing to say to people who still

take the idiot seriously. In fact, if they use the word 'president' when referring to the lying, scum sucking, sack of weasel shit squatting in the oval office, I politely end the conversation and move on.

[Brian Sweat]

13. Cognative Disonance for the most part.

These people are heavily invested emotionally in the GOP and in George Bush. There is a stark contrast between reality and what they want to believe so they tune out reality. This is why they become more strident, the worse Bush looks. As the disonance increases, they will become even angrier until something snaps. Some may resort to drastic measures. Other will get a cold dose of reality and go into a political coma.

[Beetwasher]

16. Damn, great minds and all that! See below!

n/t

[salin]

26. count me in

just tagged on to the denial post above before reading these :D

[Beetwasher]

30. Well, it goes without saying that you're a great mind!

But there, I said it anyway! ;-)

[Beetwasher]

14. Cognitive Dissonance that's a result of an abusive upbringing

It's the same type of mental dysfunction that's seen in abused children. They still love and identify with their abusers and blame themselves for the abuse. You're SUPPOSED to love your parents (or the president), even if they're evil and abusive, they can't be bad people, so there MUST be a good reason for the abuse, even if I (the child/citizen) can't understand it...

[Nevernose]

18. The Dissonance posts are brilliant

I'd never looked at it from that perspective before!
:D

[tnvision]

15. My opinion

The people who support Bush like it this way. It's fun to have everything you need but even more fun when you make sure everyone else can barely get by. It's called evil.

[mithnanthy]

100. tnvision...

You've just described my mother...and welcome to DU.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. gerbil brains.....insane.....loathesome.....asleep.....pathetic....scary..

[samsingh]

19. stupid idiots

all of them or corrupt to the core.

[phillybri]

22. If Bush sprouted horns and a tail, they'd still support him....

Just as long as he isn't Bill Clinton! :eyes:

[Capn Sunshine]

23. My opinion? Same as it ever was

Friggin' CLONES.
The kind who feel that thinking causes headaches and reading is too much like homework to be pleasurable.
:nuke:

[LEW]

28. My mom

a die hard Repub and avid FOX watcher actually said yesterday that B*sh was stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my, we have had several heated arguments about the pResident and this is the first time she ever, ever, said something negative. He is loosing his sheen and even many of the die hards are opening their eyes.

B-)

[chadm]

45. I agree

Clones is the best word for it.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

24. I'm finding people like that to be

just plain 'unreachable'. I know some folks I consider pretty smart and yet they can't accept the fact the whole Iraq thing was built on a lie. I have no problem with them pointing out Vietnam as a Democratic thing. That's fine, people were against that long before it ended too.
My point is we are much more informed (well some of us anyhow :)) than in years past. Iraq is like a rerun of Panama, Granada and Vietnam. We've seen this movie before and don't like how it ends......

[flyingfish]

27. Cannot admit they are wrong, "Why People Believe Weird Things"

Read the book "Why People Believe Weird Things"
Goes into why people still believe things long after they have been proven to be false, like Bush is a good President.

[Beetwasher]

32. Awesome book!

n/t

[Booberdawg]

29. Completely oblivious to the facts

most don't have a clue what he's doing. The ones who do are just blinded by party loyalty.

[RichM]

33. There are different types, some more despicable than others.

One large group is Republican just because they come from Republican families &/or milieus. These people may well never even give a serious moment's thought to evaluating how or what Bush is doing. For them, it's merely a matter of rooting for the "home team" -- purely reflexive.

Another group is "true believers." These people experience real elation from scorning the various classes of evil-doers that Bushism gives them license to hate. They derive positive emotional benefit from hating liberals, Arabs, gays, commies, peaceniks, the French, tree-huggers, etc. They get erections from footage on Fox TV of US troops marching about, or kicking down doors in Baghdad.

Another group is just in it for the money. The tax cuts help them, and/or the govt contracts, deregulation etc. are important to their business prospects.

... <sigh> ...

[booksenkatz]

35. Stubborn

I have a Repub friend who >>HATED<< Bill Clinton and that is the main reason he supports and defends Bush. My friend is a kind, reasonable man otherwise, runs a very successful business, normal in every other way. But he is just damned stubborn about the Bush issue and refuses to admit he is wrong. I don't talk to him about politics anymore, I'm just wondering at what point he is going to run to me screaming he can't take it anymore and that Bush is insane.

...any day now, judging by the size of the vein in my friend's temple.

[Brian Sweat]

60. It's not going to happen.

If he ever begins to have serious doubt about Bush, he will simply close his mind to politics for a period of time and then slowly emerge from his shell. This will be the time to work on him.

[booksenkatz]

61. You're right

I make a point not to push if someone isn't ready. Don't you hate it, though, when someone you really like otherwise, in every respect, is also a Bush supporter? It really bothers me. I have a beloved cousin, a wonderful brother, a very kind uncle, and 2 terrific friends all under the influence of Bush. I can't reconcile it, I can't. It makes no sense. But I do sense this one friend AND my brother both coming around. I plan to be receptive to them when it happens and I vow never to say "I told you so." I will welcome them with open arms.

[Karenina]

36. I have gotten to the point

where I simply disengage from ANYONE who supports, in any way, shape or form, the devastation this *cabal is causing worldwide. If you're too stupid to see it biting YOU AND YOURS in the butt, we don't need to talk.

[area51]

38. people vote their wallets

PeteNYC said:

"I've reached a point where I question the motives, intelligence, sanity and patriotism (yes, patriotism) of any American who continues to give this person and his corrupt administration the benefit of the doubt.


"How do you feel about them?"

When these fscking idiots get bitten in the ass by losing their jobs, and can't find another job in this Depression economy, many of them may vote their wallets to fire George W. Hoover.


"Statistically speaking, it's easier to get admitted into Harvard Univ. than to get a job in this economy."

--CBS News, 8/1/03

[Skittles]

86. ARE YOU KIDDING ???

THEY STILL BLAME THE ECONOMY ON BILL CLINTON.

[leftchick]

39. well, I am related to several and I believe

they are all faux "news" watching denialists. I try not to visit any of them too often....

[AntiCoup2K4]

40. Braindead mindless sheep

Baaaaaa!!! Buuuuuuuush Ruuuuuuuuuules!!

Four more Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeears!!

[demgrrrll]

43. I think for some people it is next to impossible to admit they made a

mistake and that is what disavowing Junie is going to take.
They would rather scrape the bottom of the barrel for excuses than admit that they were mistaken and fooled by the BFEE. Right now the vibe I feel from those folks is like people with their fingers in their ears singing la la la I can't hear you. When and if the dam finally breaks these folks are going to be his biggest problem and his biggest critics.

[qanda]

42. Either brainwashed...

Or Brain DEAD!

[hewitt]

44. some of my friends are personal friends of his

Since I live in Waco, I know not only highly educated people who love him, but I also know some of bush's friends, also highly educated. (I traveled to the UK with a woman who gets calls from him and Condi.)

I am at a loss to understand how educated people (with MA's at least) can believe in his conservative ideology, let alone the man's constant, inarticulate lying. I am beginning to think that, because of bush's charisma, they adore him and believe he is either misled by some of his handlers (cheney, rumsfeld) or he is honest in his mistakes. They really believe he is a good guy, so they are not too critical of his utter unfitness for the presidency.

I also fault the media for giving bush a free pass before the election--and now. In fact, there was a letter to the editor in today's Waco paper from a woman who said she loved bush because he grew up in Texas, so he had Texas values. bush a Texan? Outside of one year in a public school, bush attended prep schools in Houston and the East. Look at what we're fighting against.

[booksenkatz]

53. Hey!

I've got relatives in Hewitt! And all over Waco and central Tx. Heck, you and I are probably related (I've got 50 first cousins). Welcome to DU!:hi:

[Kolesar]

46. "We kicked Arab butts and that is all that matters"

"Don't you know they all hate us", "It is about time America quit taking abuse and struck back", "who cares if there were nukes or chem/bio weapons, it does not matter"

These are statements that I actually hear. They are positively frightful, with a tinge of psychotic hatred.

[Mari333]

47. I avoid them like the plague

Ah LOVE Mister BUSH he's got a purty mouth

[leftofthedial]

49. shit for brains

either zealots or utterly stupid.

[tom_paine]

50. Listen to Yourselves: Pete said "gives * & admin BENEFIT OF DOUBT"

Which is a far sight less than saying "his most ardent supporters and Freepers/Dittoheads".

It seems as if many of the replies are geared to THIS question, instead of what Pete asked.

Think about it.

[leftofthedial]

58. same difference

only "his most ardent supporters" or totally brainwashed ignorant sheep could possibly still take George W Shitforbrains seriously.

[dpbrown]

52. Denial, it's not just a river in Egypt

A combination of pity and frustration.

[tom_paine]

55. Thank you, dp, that's what I'm taking about

And that is closer to my own feelings towards non-freeper, non-dittohead, people who either by lack of time or inclination or whatever cannot even begin to pierce the Totalitarian Cloak of Propaganda that is driving the massive fraud and theft of so much of our nation.

[votein04]

54. Take him seriously

as you would a monkey with a gun.

Get out and vote or you can seriously expect to get another 4 years of this madness.

[truebrit71]

56. They are idiots....

Either that or they are too embarassed that they were wrong to pick the moran in the first place...

[greekspeak]

57. I think this is just the way some people are brought up

Let me tell you about a cousin of mine, or my mother's cousin I should say. Her heros? JFK, HST, FDR, LBJ. She will talk about how much she loves these people and how much democrats have done for this country. She will decry a lot of what Shrubby says. But on the issue of the Iraq invasion, she screams as loudly as any freeper. On some issues, in some people's minds, you just support the president and what he does. Now, if this wonderful, liberal lady who I love with all my heart can become that way on the one issue, is it so hard to see how people just accept what he does and go on?

Maybe its a generational thing. Maybe it is a regional thing. Maybe it is a family thing. I do know that many people feel as strongly that Shrub is a hero as we do that he is a criminal. They can no more fathom how we cannot lick his boots than we can understand why they lick the boots. I don't condone it, but some people are just ALWAYS going to think Shrubikins is second only to God.

[LoneStarLiberal]

62. To Deny Iraq and Terrorism...

Is probably too much for many people who have already seen the cracks in Bush's armor on other issues. Denying that the Leader of the Freeper World doesn't have a foggy idea of what he is doing on issues of national security is just going to be too much cognitively for most people to handle.

[indepat]

59. They are either blind as to what's been going on or are "blinded

by the right," i.e., the ideology of the right including, but not limited to, the hatred, the prejudice, and the right of entitlement; the hypocrisy, reichousness, mendacity, and suppression of liberty and freedom; welfare only for the wealthy and powerful; the rise of a militarist, corporatist, fascist, totalitarian police state, society, and theocracy, one which covets hegemony, oil, empire, and entitlement for their elite patrons including large corporations to the exclusion of all else, to wit: realization of the PNAC vision. Surely I've missed a few for these are meant only to serve as thought-starters: the list goes on and on.

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

63. They're too embarrassed to admit they were wrong

The "out" they're using now is, "It's time for a change, anyway."

[jfkennedy]

64. Republicans are

Republicans can best be described as the American Taliban of the world.

[Sweetpea]

65. They are people who could easily get involved with a cult.

[aquart]

66. I take him very seriously.

I give him the same respect I give bubonic plague.

[maveric]

67. Misguided, in denial and gullible. Like the Germans of the 30's-40's

Falling for the patriotic propaganda and the religous associations to bu$h.
Rove,like Geobbels is a genius in manipulation tactics.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

68. Some of them are fundamentalist Christians

If you're not familiar with the current fundie scene, you have no idea what a total propaganda environment those folks live in: they go to church three times a week, are proud of having only "Christian" friends, choose businesses to patronize from the "Christian yellow pages," subscribe to a "Christian" counterpart to Newsweek, watch only "Christian" TV stations, listen to "contemporary Christian music," send their kids to "Christian schools," "Christian day care," and "Christian summer camp," buy their reading material at "Christian" bookstores, go for "Christian" counseling when they still have problems, and make their political choices based on the "Christian voters' guides" available at their church.

They actually believe that information from the secular world is produced by the devil to confuse them.

With (I'm convinced) the RNC and the major fundie preachers working together, how can the fundies favor anyone else?

[berry]

79. Wow--I sort of had that feeling about Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses

(though I know many Mormons and some JWs who aren't like that), but if this cultlike structuring of people's lives is widespread among fundamentalist churches, nothing short of deprogramming would work.... That's very sobering.

[LosinIt]

92. Let me tell you about Xian counselors &how they have fucked w/ a friend

She has multiple personalities, really. My husband has known her for years, and I wouldn't have known about 'the others' if he hadn't told me about it. That was Before. She recently found Jesus (I didn't even know He was missing) and since then has dropped her regular counselor and has been being 'treated' by Christian counselors. She is a mess now. She calls and I don't even know who it is, has come over to the house and been a child, it truly fucks with my mind. These people have taken someone who was able to cope and lead a normal life and turned her into a mess. She came over the other night and told us that the bad people had cut her. She had a big gash in her hand. We are very concerned about her, but she is a grown woman, sometimes anyway. We thought about contacting her parents with our concerns, but they are also Fundies. They never used to believe the multiple personality diagnosis before, but since the godly counselors have agreed, they now buy into it. What a mess, these frauds should not be allowed to practice their voodoo.

[disgruntella]

69. good guys and bad guys

I definitely agree with the "cognitive dissonance" theories. Another theory of mine is that Bush, Faux News, etc. give Americans a very simplistic view of the world in which the U.S. is the winner -- the "good guy" -- and Americans love to be winners.

Americans apparently love to be "winners" even more than they love to be the "good guy," since whether the U.S. is "good" in the eyes of the rest of the world doesn't matter to these folks any more. All that matters is "USA #1!"

And of course the cognitive dissonance comes into play when the media outlets actually report the truth about casualties in Iraq, the lies behind the U.S. case for war, etc. etc. And thence their argument: "Shut up, traitor, because we are the GOOD GUYS!"

[FreeperSlayer]

70. low iq

eom

[David Zephyr]

71. They Are Either Very Rich or Very Racist.

That's his constituency.

Lots of money from a very small percentage of the population.
Lots of racist votes from a very large percentage of the population.

And because Bush caters to both groups...they take him "seriously".

[maveric]

72. Same as I do when I see someone buy the "National Inquirer".

I dismiss them as mindless idiots.

[eleny]

74. Voting for him twice reminds me of...

that old Amos and Andy line:

"Ya dumb lug. Ya done used the rare dime for a phone call AGAIN!"

[Beetwasher]

76. LOL!

Had never heard that before!

[laruemtt]

75. they've flatlined

:shrug:

[SharonAnn]

77. They are either uninformed or are Bush "cultists"

Some of the uninformed are just so busy working, raising kids, dealing with political crises on the local level like school funding, environmental poisoning, etc. that they haven't invested the time I have been able to invest in reading a lot about what's going on.

Others of the uninformed just don't want to deal with all that "political stuff".

Then there are the cultists, well, they're sort of like the Moonies.

[gulliver]

78. Many are being loyal.

Most Bush supporters are just showing him loyalty. That's why I think the lies Bush told (or the slick-a** half truths if you prefer) will turn these folks off. It's hard to feel loyalty toward someone who has been dishonest, even if you feel that they were being dishonest to your enemies.

No one has yet asked Bush whether he knew that his Niger uranium statement was untrustworthy information. I think he knew, and I'm sure most other people who are up on the topic think so. That will disturb the good people who are struggling with themselves trying to justify their loyalty.

Bush is no good. People will see it when they look closely. He's toast.

[himself]

80. Fault lines ...

Yes, to all the posts, agreed!!. We need to keep the thread going for a while. Our collective answers could be keys to defeating the cabal and deprogramming our brethren who have gone astray.

I think 'Future Shock' is part of it - the confusion and fear that impel so many Bushies could be reactions to upheavals of the social and cultural landscape. The more quickly the world changes, the more conservative the body politic becomes - not a glad thought, but a possible explanation for the rightward drift of politics around the world.

Then there is the Theory of the Unlicked Cub. In every litter there are one or two who don't get enough love, and who never outgrow their need for it, whatever 'it' is. So they compensate by seeking recognition wherever they can find it, maybe joining a party or church that affirms their anxieties. This theory also helps explain DU membership - we are outsiders at the moment, gathering together to defend against loss. One of the life-long side effects of not being licked is anger, and lots of the right wing army, the common folk who show up to vote in the rain, are angry, maybe for reasons they don't understand. Being so angry, they are easy for hate mongers to manipulate. Enter Limbaugh and crew. Individuals will have their own histories of longing, including W himself who looks like an unlicked cub - a dunce at Andover/Yale/Harvard - Cheney, too, who was tossed out of Yale multiple times for drinking, so it is said - and Rove, another dropout.

[Devlzown]

81. Evildoers!

[jiacinto]

82. Okay

They have different viewpoints. And while I don't agree with them I respect their right to think the way they do. I don't think they're stupid or dumb, but rather misinformed.

[Must_B_Free]

83. Let us put it this way

Money is distributed like a pyramid (in our case it is shaped more like a needle)

The people at the top have the most and want the most

The people under them and on and on and so forth all know to varying degrees how much they are in on the heist.

So the people in the most want it the most and are willing to overlook the most

Many people know what's going on, it just a matter of how much of a steak they have in it and what that means to them.

however to not generalize about peoples motivations, there are also: plain stupid people, stubborn people, and careless people.

I think half if not more of the society is "provided for" in the sense of children and other sheltered people to the extent that they follow what every the head of the household says to believe.

[absolutezero]

84. only two options

One: idiots like my stepmother that are raised to believe everything they're told and are conditioned from birth to believe the "republicans defend america because liberals won't" and "liberals raise taxes, taxes baaaaad" "minorities are baaaad because they wanna kill all the white folks, liberals luv minorities people" "god is an american, so is jesus, all the founding fathers were ultra-christian" "war good, explosions on TV make me laugh"

Two: they're a corrupt corporate exec/politician....but they don't take shrub seriously, they just use him to advance themselves

[Skittles]

85. BRAINWASHED

I can't think of any other explanation.

[salmonhorse]

87. Self delusional ~

And somehow rather proud of it...

[IranianDemocrat]

88. Uninformed.

Most of them.

[imax2268]

89. stupid...

just plain stupid...

[stickdog]

90. Hopeless idealogues (NT)

[okieinpain]

91. typical du'ers. still haven't realized this is all just a big punked

episode.

[juajen]

93. There dumb as a box of rocks.

N/T

[knight_of_the_star]

94. Just fooled

They see what they want to see and aren't trying to see what is really there. They are probably afraid more than anything else and Bush's swaggering somehow (I have no idea how this does it for them, it makes me look fr the nearest bomb shelter) makes them feel safer.

[gully]

95. The Stepford Republicans

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[emad]

96. they're just the same as those who bought

reagan/bush; bush/quayle; clinton/gore: all spin products of the george bush senior/cheney/rumsfeld reality game that's been conning usa voters and taxpayers to cover up the cabal that shot jfk just as he was about to bust the nazis......

[dusty64]

98. Hopeless!

I think chimp could shoot their dogs right in front of them and they would mindlessly grovel at his feet. I'll NEVER get it.

[sendero]

99. the thread I see....

... in folks who I know are not stupid who still support Bush* is religion. Christians are often a clannish bunch, who cannot seem to get it through their heads that just because someone professes or actually *is* a Christian, that does not mean they are a "good person".

On the contrary, way too many seem to think that since they are "forgiven", they can do *anything*.

[Blue_Roses]

101. NAIVE!!!!

I have a sister who is so naive to what bush says that she would believe him if he said the moon is green. Can't talk to her about anything. Her son was in NY during 911 and even he has tried to open her eyes to some things and she just refuses to listen. Of course she is extremely conservative with a husband who is a baptist minister...go figure. Makes for some heated conversations during holidays.

[RedEarth]

102. Frankly....

I don't think they care what this corrupt adminstration does or says, as long as there are repubs in the White House. They don't care what the truth is, nor do they want to take the time to listen to anything other than rush or fox.