"The world is better off now that Sadaam is gone ..."

[RageAgainstTheirMachine]

The next time you hear that respond with, "Is the world better off without the over 200 American heroes and thousands of Iraqi civilians who have died?"

[sexybomber]

1. it's almost 300 actually

http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx says 269 killed and if you add 20 to that number to reflect those killed in today's bombing... you've got 289 people killed. yikes.

[Dude_CalmDown]

14. Don't forget the thousands of Iraqis that died

Soldiers and Civilians

Edit: sorry I didn't read the original post too well - you didn't forget. My bad.

[Keithpotkin]

20. actually it is over 300

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

"There have been 312 confirmed coalition deaths in the war as of August 19, 2003."

this includes non-combat related fatalities, but i dont see why they are not counted on most statistics.

[alcuno]

2. Well, I can't speak for the whole world, but I'm sure that the families

of the US war dead would like to make a trade. It's 278 US service personnel killed as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Here they are.

http://www.pigstye.net/iraq/

[tuck]

3. hrm ... must agree....

when it comes down to it, the world IS better off.

i'm not excusing anything, the ends in this case did not justify the means.

and it may have been worth a couple hundred casualties on our side.

but it was not worth:

-iraqi civilian casualties
-further loss of credibility on the global stage
-invading a country on the basis of lies

[DemoTex]

4. Saddam Hussein gone? Did I miss something? Gone where?

We know where he isn't with a fair degree of certainty (the palace). But we damn sure don't know where he is. Gone he is not.

[ComerPerro]

10. Great point

A reply of something along the lines of. "Ahh, gone. Yes. To where, exactly?"

Not that wingnuts or the administration cares.

[G_j]

5. but is he really gone?

sighting here>>http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics10/!war/WArtTN/_buds01.html
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[wtmusic]

6. Let's not forget Iraq's military

Though there were clearly some evil, evil people in the upper echelons of the Iraqi military, most were soldiers for the same reasons ours are--to provide a better life for their families.

Between 13,000 and 43,000 Iraqi soldiers killed according to the Guardian. That's a lot of destroyed families. The world is not better for them.

[arcane1]

7. exactly, though I would phrase it differently:

are you GLAD that 300 soldiers have died? Over 1000 are wounded, does this please you?

how many more American men and women do they WANT to get killed in Iraq? How many more have to die before it's no longer "worth it"????


good luck getting an answer to THAT!
if there is one thing the right hates more than Saddam, it is the troops....

[TEXASYANKEE]

8. There's no doubt

that Iraq and the rest of the world is better off without Saddam in power ... the question is whether we could have achieved the same result using less-violent methods. Lifting sanctions, asking for UN involvement, working from within that country, etc. "Was this war necessary" seems to me to be the real question. It clearly was not.

[atreides1]

16. Are We?

Let's see

1. Terror attacks are increasing
2. 450 billion dollar deficit in the US
3. 4 billion dollars per month being spent in Iraq
4. Iraqi infrastructure collapse
5. The Patriot Act
6. The Victory Act(Patriot Act II)
7. US military personnel committing War Crimes
8. Executive Order 13303(Allows misuse of Iraqi resources)
9. Bush supports Universal Health Care in Iraq, but not in the US
10.The US has no credibility in the world

These are only what I can think of, off the top of my head
anyone else want to think of somemore.

[ComerPerro]

9. I always respond with

"Oh, right, because he had all of those WMDs that he was poised to use against the US. Oh, and the nuclear weapons that he was weeks away from having."

[argonne]

11. At least Saddam held

Al Quaeda in check....U.N. bombing...

Bush has unleashed Al Quaeda in Iraq.

[DemoTex]

13. If Al Quaeda is indeed in Iraq

Bu$hco's circular logic will use that fact to justify the war.

[kentuck]

12. How is the world better off?

Please explain. Is Iraq better off or is the world better off because Iraq is better off? True, his WMDs are gone now and he is no longer an imminent threat to our country and he will not be able to set off his weapons in 45 minutes. How is the world better off???

[Demobrat]

17. That's what I'd like to know.

If the world is better off without Saddam, who is it better for, exactly? The Iraquis who are living in worse conditions than before? The Americans and British who are no longer 45 minutes away from being nuked? The dead soldiers? How is it better, and for who? Besides Halliburton?

[IndianaGreen]

19. Except that the WMDs and the 45 minutes bit were all lies

used to frightened a gullible populace into endorsing this ill-thought and unnecessary war.

We are reaping what we have sown, and we have seen nothing yet!

[yankeedem]

21. Make a freeper's head explode

Explain that Iraq had WMD's.......

which were destroyed in 98 by Clinton ordered air strikes.

[methinks2]

15. Gone?

He's just MIA. He could be on a beach in Bermuda for all we know.

[Dude_CalmDown]

18. Or visiting some old and dear friends on a Texas Ranch

Or he could just be in Jersey.