Is there any proof that Clinton sold Nuclear Secrets

[Bush was AWOL]

to the Chinese for campaign donations?

[bossfish]

1. No...

Where did you hear that crap?

[Nlighten1]

2. No there isn't.

This was all just a bunch of BS rotating around rocket technology sold to China by a company who Richard Perle was involved with.

[FreakinDJ]

3. That is about the stupidest question I have ever seen

[sangh0]

4. No, but a Chinese spy, Katrina Leung, gave money to Repukes

including Bush*. Google her name

[Media_Lies_Daily]

5. Why would anyone in their right mind ask this kind of question?

[bobbieinok]

9. bercause republicans constantly claimed that after 96

over and over and over

[displacedtexan]

6. Uh... No.

Next!

[WoodrowFan]

7. you're kidding?

If there were proff, why did the repuks impeach him for a BJ and not selling secrets!

[leftofthedial]

8. no, but there is proof that George the First

sold them computer and missile secrets

[gratuitous]

10. No, but it's a fave neocon talking point

Apparently, it grows out of the Wen Ho Lee witch hunt at Los Alamos. Security at the research facility had been compromised, and the man of Chinese extraction seemed to be a likely suspect. Unfortunately, the investigators let their mouths run way ahead of their findings, and the New York Times was all to happy to try to hang Mr. Lee out to dry (why, nobody can seem to tell, and the Times has claimed amnesia on the subject).

Overwrought Republican congress critters (you can probably name them from memory) publicly swooned, complaining that the Clinton administration had given away the "crown jewels" of our nation's nuclear secrets because the Chinese had somehow come into possession of some 10-year-old data. It was all quite an enjoyable moment for the Clinton Haters Club, but unfortunately the facts of the matter didn't bear out the story.

Lee was eventually nailed for sloppy handling of classified data (he copied some files from his government computer to review and work on at home), and that was basically it. But the story lives on in the overfevered imaginations of True Believers, told and retold like a favorite bedtime story with as much basis in truth as Little Red Riding Hood.

[Bush was AWOL]

11. Arguing with someone about Berger and this was brought up

I've heard it before and wanted confirmation that it was not true. Sorry for asking, but thanks for the help.

[sangh0]

15. Here's a clue

When someone tells you something, make them prove it's true.

[Bush was AWOL]

17. Thanks for the clue, and that is what I did

and they went on to act as if it was common knowledge. Relax, it was just a question. I didn't think it was true.

[sangh0]

22. Step #2

When they can't prove it, ridicule them. Say "I *KNOW* the sun is shining, and I can prove that. I know that the sun rises in the East, and I can prove that. You can't prove nothing"

[Bush was AWOL]

23. I've done that and they've gone on to John Deutsch (sp)

What they are trying to do is act like the Clinton admin. is much more corrupt than Bushco. I'm just trying to fight back and I stopped by here for confirmation.

[sangh0]

24. They're throwing mud and hoping something sticks

You need to distract them by pointing out all the criminals that Bush* hired for his admin. First remind them of the repuke ABC's (ie "Always Blame Clinton") followed by a "Why can't you defend Bush* (or can you) instead of attacking someone else?") Then, list all the criminals Bush* has hired. Pointdexter, Abrams, and Bosch lead the list. Bosch was a terrorist who blew a plane up.

Tell them that and they'll stop whining about Clinton.

Otherwise, they'll just keep throwing things at you, and you'll have to play defense. Don't answer their claims until they respond to yours first. Make them explain why Bush* hired a terrorist.

[FreakinDJ]

12. It is all DAMAGE CONTROL

All the rumors

all the bashing

all the phone calls the white house is making to the press

is damage control because the 911 report is about to come out. remember the white house is going to review the report prior to it being released. so who would know better then they how much damage they need to cover up

[democratreformed]

13. Link:

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=161-07202004

Still trying to figure this out. Any help?

[JHB]

25. Klayman grandstanding.

It's just "Get Larry's face on teevee and give him a shot at making more money off his Clinton obsession ('cause it's dry'n up a bit)" crap.

Clinton's enemies went after him over crap. If they had had ANYTHING of real substance, ONE SHRED OF A LEGITIMATE CRIME, they would have crucified him. Clinton would have been impeached, convicted, publicly stripped, tarred, feathered, and dragged through the streets on his way to his new home in Ft. Leavenworth. The will was there, but the facts weren't and they couldn't be bent far enough.

And they can't stand that he wasn't the caricature they painted him as.

[JHB]

14. Is he in jail now? No.

That alone answers your question. If his "hunters" could have nailed him for a legitimate act of corruption, they would and could have.

Any nuclear secrets lost to the Chinese were lost during the Reagan era. The rest of it is lots of Republican whining about China aquiring more advanced missile and satellite technology from US corporations ... at the very same time they're encouraging US corporations to do business IN CHINA.

Basically trying to take the inevitable results of the "free market uber alles" ideology they'd been championing since Reagan and trying to paint them all as Clinton's fault.

[JHB]

18. See also: Robert Parry articles:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/021601a.html

Chinese Espionage Was a Reagan-Bush Scandal
By Robert Parry
February 16, 2001


As recently as Tuesday, in a televised infomercial for right-wing Judicial Watch, the charge resurfaced that the Clinton administration’s role in Chinese nuclear espionage had not been investigated fully.

This time, the claim came from onetime-leftist journalist Christopher Hitchens as he chewed over old “Clinton scandals” with Judicial Watch leader Larry Klayman. According to the Judicial Watch infomercial, the culprits who curtailed this investigation were Clinton sympathizers in the press.

Beyond helping Judicial Watch raise money, this recurring China allegation has become something of a touchstone for many conservatives -- as well as other Americans -- who believe that the Clinton administration somehow traded nuclear secrets to China for campaign donations in 1996 -- and got away with it.

Indeed, many American voters may have gone to the polls last November with concerns that Al Gore's 1996 visit to a Buddhist temple in California had some connection to the alleged loss of nuclear secrets from Los Alamos. Bush supporters certainly did all they could to leave that impression.
----more----
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/021601a.html

[IronLionZion]

16. No but his penis did

Republicans like to throw out accusations. They don't care if they hold water.


Chinese campaign donations! hahaha! :silly:

[IronLionZion]

19. Republicans saying it over and over again should be enough proof n/t

[BeatleBoot]

20. Its up to the person who made the claim to prove it.

If I'm sitting at a bar and someone comes in yelling, "the aliens are coming", its not up to me to prove it or disprove it.

The onus is on the person making the claim.

[bobbieinok]

21. posted in wrong discussion

[Bandit]

26. Clinton renewed a waiver to the Loral Group that was first issued by Reaga

It had to do with Chinese Rockets entering space without mishap. Most American Communication Companies were using Chinese rockets to launch their satellites and those rockets were exploding and costing our companies billions. Reagan was asked to issue a waiver to the Loral Group and he did. All Clinton did was renew the waiver. Loral did indeed give the Chinese secrets that could help them target their rockets at the USA but Clinton did not receive any financial benefit at all. Loral Group is a huge GOP contributopr.

[KittyWampus]

27. No, But The GOP's High Profile Fundraiser Was A Chinese Double Agent

Katrina Leung. She was also fucking the FBI agent who harassed the Clinton/Gore team.

This story broke only several months ago.

Why haven't we heard any more about it?

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