IT'S OFFICIAL: pathetic Clark supporters/Dean Haters

[newsguyatl]

have invaded DU... they're like little crabs (and not the kind on the beach)...

if i had a powerful extinguisher, i'd use it on every one of you... you pathetic, useless little bastards...

on edit: and just so you valid clark supporters know, this is not directed at you... but rather, the disruptors here who continue to post inane, hate-filled posts about dean... i, too, very much like clark (not better than dean of course) so i welcome thoughtful discussion... but this continual and ignited hatred that's going on is really beginning to make DU an unfriendly place to visit...

will pitt was right.

[ibegurpard]

1. Dude, chill.

This really doesn't help anything.

[virtualobserver]

44. AGREED, nothing pathetic about supporting Clark.

and Dean can take care of himself.

[IranianDemocrat]

2. Drugs are very bad.

eom

[Rose Siding]

3. As a Dean supporter

I really wish you'd reconsider using such inflammatory language when you pick up that broad brush. It accomplishes absolutely nothing. But you know that, don't you?

How do you react to the same kind of thing being said about Dean supporters?

*see Golden Rule

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

4. How tall is Dean?

I think you have to be at least 6 feet tall to qualify for POTUS.

[Colin Ex]

9. What the heck is this about?

And explain to me how this adds to the debate, exactly?

-C

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

13. Pretty much mirrors the tone of the original post

I understand that Dean is pretty damn short.

Kerry is one tall man.

[Colin Ex]

18. I see.

Turnabout is fair play, I guess...

I still have that "Let's play nice" mindset, I guess. :-)

-C

[searchingforlight]

24. Bush isn't. Harry Truman wasn't. Jimmy Carter isn't

Height has no bearing on electability. Of course Bush wasn't elected.

[DemLikr]

5. With all that's going on in the world, this is what you choose to post?

:eyes:

[Orangepeel]

6. Oh, come on.

As a Dean supporter, I think that posts like this don't do any good. They just make us look whiners.

This is an important primary and it is going to get hot. Fortunatley, Dean can take the heat.

[dansolo]

23. I'm all for Dean vs. Clark

They are both fighters. Either one of them would make an excellent candidate against Bush, and having them both on the ticket would be even better. I am a Dean supporter, and I have absolutely nothing against Clark. The only thing that I object to is the assertion that some Clark supporters make that only Clark can possibly beat Bush. That I disagree with.

[Colin Ex]

7. That's a bummer.

You'd almost think that Dean was the nominee already. Damn.

Well, if people want to support Clark over Dean in the primary (and hey, in the general too, for all I care) then have a party, I say. Everyone's mind is pretty much made up by now, and the Dem nominee debates are just groupies from either side shoving middle fingers in each other's faces. It's too bad people take it so personally.

Just my two cents.

-C

[DoveTurnedHawk]

8. Awesome!

Another name for the ignore list.

Keep 'em coming!

DTH

[jfkennedy]

10. One thing I notice

The Deanites come out as a group and say all kinds of critical things about Lieberman by just the mentioning of his name.

But when someone asks about some things in Deans Resume, they are all the sudden disruptors.

[ibegurpard]

12. Lieberman is hated by just about EVERYONE on this board.

Not just Deanies. Just to set you straight since you haven't been around here too long. :-)

[jfkennedy]

16. I doubt very much that

I really think that is untrue. I don't hate Lieberman, and it seems like the hatred for Lieberman expressed here is just group thinking without a critical look at him by people on here. He probably is the better of all the Democrats, for all we know, but no one gives him a chance.

[JVS]

28. No, he speaks the truth

Lieberman is almost universally despised here. There was once a thread titled "Any Lieberman supporters here". All the responses laughed at the idea. The closest to support that I can recall is that Jiacinto has defended Lieberman against accusations of really being a republican, but I've not seen anyone come out and declare themselves a fan. In any case it is not a Dean thing.

[molly]

42. I would take Lieberman over Dean any day

[virtualobserver]

43. you like the patriot act, do you?

and the War in Iraq?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Ninety Eight Senators

including such liberal luminaries as Ted Kennedy and Paul Wellstone voted for the Patriot Act.

[virtualobserver]

49. even more incentive for me.....

to go with someone who thinks that it was a bad idea.

[unfrigginreal]

26. Such as?

Ask your questions, there are an abundance of Dean supporters here ready to try to answer your questions.

[Booberdawg]

45. It's not just the Deanites that don't like Lieberman

Lieberman is the next thing to a 4 letter word here. He's disliked by all camps. I'm not defending whatever group you're referring to, but coming in here and promoting Lieberman is like trying to make a few bucks by setting up a cash bar at an AA meeting. It just doesn't go over well.

Having said that, I will support ANY Democratic candidate that is the eventual nominee. If it's Lieberman, I'll have to hold my nose, but I'll vote for him.

[LoverOfLiberty]

11. May the best Democratic candidate win

And you can bet that is the person who I will vote for in 2004!

[DS1]

14. yep, will pitt was right, and you just cemented his case

nice going.

ta ta

[fishnfla]

39. You got it ,LOL

maybe that was his point all along

[dajabr]

15. Newsguy...

Everybody needs a few days off from DU every now and then. :argh: I've been there (recently), and it helps. Maybe a short break wouldn't hurt.

Mt 2 cents are in and I'm butting out now...

:-)

[Rick Myers]

17. Relax!!!

We've got 6 months till ANYTHING actually matters. Let's get the issues out there and see what floats!


:thumbsup:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Shakespeare Said It Best

"The utterings of a fool, sound and fury signifying nothing."

[SyracuseDemocrat]

20. Did you take your midol

today?

[never cry wolf]

21. actually i agree with ya newsdude

i noticed that too. there was alot of flaming and disruption and it seemed to be the same few posters who all seemed to be clark supporters and had under 1000 posts (like, er, um, me.) it occurred to me at the time while reading poor wills threads that maybe it was a synchronized disruption. they weren't just going after dean but pretty much being disagreeable about any and everything.

by the way, before I get flamed, i also think newsguys does qualify it nicely in his edit. legit clark supporters are not under suspicion here and he does like clark. it seemed to me to be maybe half a dozen posters popping up all over the place and stirring the pot.

on edit: at the time i considered starting a thread about it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. It's Telling That

you put the caveat in after you started the thread.

Reread your post.

It makes you sound like a Brown Shirt.

[Capn Sunshine]

25. Astroturfers are annoying

I don't have the Dean committee guys in here laying carpet, why does Clark's gang think it's ok to pave over DU with indoor-outdoor carpet?

Thanks for pointing this out newsguy, it's really annoying me too.

[Clark Can WIN]

27. `Que?

I don't understand the vitriol. It seems pretty obvious to me that if you have any support group of any size you will have the occasional moron in the group that the others just wish would go away.

Why do you think the Bush campaign was as successful as it was and has continued to be so powerful since his selection? Because they had a plethora of powerful heads who orchestrated a regime which did not allow dissention. If the RNC were smart, as opposed to Pinochio's of the underground neo-con puppeteers, they would have stood behind and nominated John McCain. McCain would have won 2000 by a landslide. I say that not as a big fan of McCain's but as a realist. Bush was/is obviously an idiot and a draft dodger (not a contientious objector which I do respect) and yet the puppeteers chose him because he did not have a thought in his pedigreed noggin. He was clay with name recognition and that was just what they were looking for.

Am I saying the Democrats should adopt this lock-step, homogeneous, dissent = disloyalty approach? Of course not. We should however remember that we are all here for fairly similiar reasons. Perhaps not all the same but that would make us liars and BS artists wouldn't it?

If we cannot argue the merits of our candidates without backhanded compliments and outright attacks to each other or others candidates, if we cannot display passion in a civil manner, how will we convince the rest of the voting public when it really matters most? :freak:

[unfrigginreal]

29. Here's the problem

You guys won't admit to your morons!

We'd be in a much better position to argue the merits of the candidates without the Republican posters that trash all of the other Democratic candidates. Yeah, we'd appreciate their vote in 2004 but we sure don't need them mucking up the works for the Democratic nomination.

[Clark Can WIN]

32. holy shmoly

I'm sorry I just dont get what you're talking about. If there are repug diehards here, they aren't going to be swayed by anything we say anyhow. They are already brain-dead.

I've been reading many threads, (cant read all of them due to busy season) but some of this board mystifies me.

To me it works like this. Civil persons engage in civil debate. If someone is egregiously ugly, like a child acting up sometimes the best course of action is to ignore thier poor behavior.

I would also ask EVERYONE to consider this, the White House seems to be most concerned presently about Gep, Dean and Clark. Dean and Clark have the greatest internet presence and therefore it only makes sense that they would send "spoilers" in here to muck things up.

[unfrigginreal]

38. Here's the deal

You and all of your Clark supporter friends should be interested in bannishing the GOP from this forum. The same goes for Dean, Kerry, Gephardt, Kucinich, Graham, Edwards, Sharpton, Mosely-Braun supporters.

We absolutely want GOP voters to support our candidate in 2004 but we absolutely DO NOT want them to choose our candidate for 2004.

The problem as I see it is that Clark supporters are more than willing to accept suspect characters as long as they are supporting their candidate.

[tameszu]

30. Bravo to all of you Deanies

Who stepped up to self-police this.

We more restrained Clarkies have been trying...I think it's working; everyone on all sides seem to have calmed down a lot.

Newsguy, your post is so 2 days ago.

The little Clarkbar burst happened because a lot of people saw the man lay into Tom DeLay. That SOB had it coming to him for years, and I think people got really excited seeing that and we maybe had a few "born again" Clarkies, which may have triggered a bit of a critical mass and some overenthusiasm.

Anyway, I think an examination of both GD and the politics board demonstrates that the calmer Clarkies have done a pretty job of toning things down. We've only got an average of 1 or 2 threads going on each board right now, which I don't think is unfair, if we compare it with other big faves--Dean, Kucinich, and Kerry. And you will note that none of the current Clark threads involves slamming any other candidate, or even a challenging comparison.

So peace, OK?

[unfrigginreal]

31. Oh really ClarkBar?

Take a look at post 11 in this thread and then jump back up on your soapbox!

You folks are losing it, and much of your support is dependent on supporters of other current Democratic nominees. So yeah, you keep poo-pooing it and your long term strategy looks more and more suspect.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=207049

[tameszu]

36. I dunno...

That kid's reaction is a far cry from the craziness that was going 3 days ago.

He overreacted to a thread whose entire point was to bait people. As you noted, the thread should have been locked, and that kid's post deleted. OK.

But--and this is sincere--you go show me a fire, and I spend what time I have to put it out.

And the--what's the most moderate way to put this--edge in your post is unnecessary. Except for one line of snark, which I think isn't unwarranted considering this thread's title, I think I was plenty cordial. I even had nice things to say about the Deanies. So I have to confess I don't really get the hostility.

As for poo-pooing, I limit my sistah souljah moments to one a week. At least I try to.

I kicked that sucker for a whole day; if you think we really need it, I can kick it again. But, please, for the sake of civility all around don't blame every last random post on us, OK? I--and, I think most of us "ClarkBars"--try to do the same for the Dean kids too.

I'm probably not quite old enough to be an elder statesman yet. And I don't know if I have a long term strategy. I just got on this bus a couple weeks ago and I'm trying to help out.

Peace.

[unfrigginreal]

37. Oh...even better yet tameszu

Take a look at post # 33 and # 34 of this thread. Now, look at posts #10 and #11 of the thread that I posted for you.

As long as you folks disregard the FACT that you have Republican disruptors here supporting your candidate, then how do you expect to gain support from the rest of this forum?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. I Don't Understand

Newsguy posted flaim bait and got his boxers set on fire.


I have seen contructive critics of Dean get nuked on this board.

[Tom Kitten]

33. "Thanks" for this no nothing post

It's beneficial for nothing ...thanks for wasting my time...

[IranianDemocrat]

34. Dean's wife doesn't look like a first lady.

eom

[w4rma]

41. That is a good example of the type of post newsguyatl is talking about n/t

[dajabr]

46. Not WASPY enough for ya?

Too "Jewish looking" maybe?

Your post was out of line ID, and now we get to speculate about why you would say such a thing.

[bitchkitty]

35. I know what you mean -

but you must realize that posting threads like this aren't going to help. All you're doing is acknowledging them, giving them a voice.

[tjdee]

48. I hope this thread is locked.

Pathetic, useless little bastards.

Really wonderful way of expressing yourself. I guess you *told* them!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. As I Pointed Out Earlier

The thread was aimed at all Clark supporters.


He went back and put in the disclaimer.


Under Leninism they had a theory called democratic centralism. After a decion was debated democratically and resolved no dissent would be tolerated.


Newsguy goes a step further. He wants to stifle debate before it even begins.

[wes_clark_for_pres]

50. I feel a little "crabby" this morning...

I can't imagine why...
:shrug:

[robbedvoter]

52. You MUST be from CNN - so much empty negativity can only come

from the Condit/Lacy/Kobe station. You have to realize - websites like these flourished BECAUSE we wanted to get away from your superficial race-horsing (in 2000). Take a pause from posting, read and you'll find out that, with notable exceptions (such as your post) people here are thoughtful and informed. It comes from avoiding Teevee - from Atlanta and elsewhere. Looking forward to an educated you.

[Skinner]

53. I'm locking this thread.

It's just flame bait, and it labels a particular group of people as disruptors.

Skinner
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