There were NO BOMBS in the WTC... but...

[nostamj]

there are new TOONS in the MEETING ROOM!!!

CARTOONS! The "Blackout/Whitewash" Edition



p.s.

there WERE 'explosions' heard in/near the WTC on 9/11. some of them were BODIES impacting the pavement after a 100 story fall.. some of them were chemicals and other supplies stored in the building.

BUT... there were NO bombs. that is pure distraction designed to discredit the LEGITIMATE unanswered questions about the events of that day.

this pitiful canard belongs in the same category as the "no pentagon plane' BS.

that said, TAKE A TOON BREAK and IGNORE the distractions and DEMAND the real investigation of the real questions.

[never cry wolf]

1. good idea

thank you nostamj. i am done trying to convince the unconvincable. the most important question truly is WHO, not HOW.

[Jacobin]

2. I can't even go to those threads any more

The reasoning is quite.....infantile, which is to say there is no reasoning, just twisting bits of data into unrecognizable glop.

Thanks for the 'toons by the way. Just went through them.

[never cry wolf]

3. by the way, i have a question...

about that other thread. i am relatively new here, in my 4th week and missed the site on 9/11. was there alot of that going on then?? was todays thread manned by disruptors?? was i a dope for allowing them to waste my time??

er, guess that was a few questions.

[nostamj]

5. the answers....

yes
yes
yes

there was also EXTRAORDINARY research. check out ewing's work over that globalfreepress.com and, by all means, check out paulthompson's timeline.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/

[Sterling]

8. But of course all the theories you believe are sound.

I can understand being frustrated with some of the ideas thrown out in threads like that but I also find it Ironic that many who think we are being lied to about 9-11 are so quick to make cruel remarks to others who are investigating 9-11 as well.

I am sure Tom N thinks you are a complete loony for some of the things you believe or are at least willing to question re 9-11.
All I am saying is there is no reason to belittle or insult others in these discussions. You only play into they hands of people who would like to silence any questions about the government and our current crisis.

[never cry wolf]

16. well, actually

i wasn't one of the tin foil hatters. i am an architect and have read extensively on the engineering causes of the collapses and there were no explosions or bombs, there were none needed. the planes were quite effective. doesn't mean i don't have my suspicions about LIHOP or MIHOP, just that the bomb thing was.....just.....silly!

[truth2power]

37. That's exactly the point I was trying to make in that other thread.

"All I am saying is there is no reason to belittle or insult others in these discussions. You only play into they hands of people who would like to silence any questions about the government and our current crisis."

I guess I didn't say it clearly enough. It's the belittling and insulting that I couldn't understand. Since we've heard NOTHING but lies from the government, why are there some scenerios that can't even be discussed?

[TomNickell]

9. I think these guys live...

over in 'Military affairs and terrorism' or some place like that.

They come out when the anti-psychotics run low.

[Sterling]

11. It seems you live for these threads

You really only appear when they come up. Maybe you are the one with the unhealthy fixation?

[TomNickell]

22. I'm around...

Just happen to think it is dangerous to allow these things to become an unchallenged belief system.

Clearly, they are more in the nature of a religious cult than they are like any kind of rational position.

[BeFree]

13. I would have more trust if....

Folks like you, Tom, were complaining often and loudy for a full and complete investigation instead of shoelssly trying to kick seriuos and studied theorists. Oh well, we'll see some facts one day, maybe.

[TomNickell]

24. Crackpot theories only slow REAL investigations.

Of course, there needs to be serious investigations.

Noise about 'No pentagon plane' or 'Bombs in the WTC' only give cover to the Bushies.

[proud patriot]

4. Ha ha ! Thanks

:D

[nostamj]

6. kartoon kick!

:kick:

[TomNickell]

7. Hear! Hear!

Well Said!

[BeFree]

10. Show us your Proof

Anyone who claims to know everything that happened on that awful day should lay it all out. Show us your proven facts.

Ya can't do it. Nobody can. Not the FBI, not the CIA, certainly not the White House.

Nobody knows what happened that day. People who claim one certainty or another are acting foolish. Better yet, they are the "Know It All's" and can't be trusted. As they learn more facts, if they ever do, they will begin to realize that nothing normal happened that day even thogh they so desperately need to believe there is a simple explanation.

Peace.....

[Sterling]

12. Many already have.

I have seen the transition of many a DUer from crap throwing skeptic basher to tin foil hats over the past months. I just wish people would keep an open mind and not degrade others in the process of discussing these issues.

[BeFree]

14. Yes, a great many facts have come out

Not all of them, however. And not all the facts which have been outed can be proven.

It is a shame so many run around this board shooting their mouths off trying to convince everyone they know the truth. Their minds are like a steel trap, a trap which has already sprung.

9/11: TOP SECRET

Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

15. Some theories are plain stupid

That "bombs in the towers" guy actually claimed a pyroclastic flow was created during the fall of the towers.

As a geologist, this is one of the dumbest things I have heard on DU, and I pointed it out.

Just because you have a "theory" does not make it valid.

[never cry wolf]

17. a geologist, huh

i thought i saw on some thread in the lounge that you were ernest borgnine. i posted so many structural eniginnering threads on those posts that my fingers are threadbare and not a peep about any of them, never read. i guess science got in the way of a good story.

i was polite though. as polite as i could be after one of em said he'd be wary of hiring me because i said that the towers had an exterior latticework exoskeleton that carried load. everyone knows that skyscrapers never have bearing walls for gosh sakes.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

18. I noticed those posts

Damn good, but ignored by the conspiracy crowd. The same way they ignore facts from professional pilots and aeronautical engineers. That's why I only make a post or two on those whack threads.

[never cry wolf]

19. i am still learning

will avoid next time

[stickdog]

20. What I find interesting is your inability to provide ANYTHING other

that tag team affirmation and infantile, meaningless "conspiracy crowd" ridicule.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

21. Wrong, we both provided professional refutations

To the stupid theories in the "who put the bombs in the buildings" post.

Mine wasn't even challenged by the conspiracy junkies.

I think those guys played (or are playing) too much Dungeons and Dragons. These baseless "theories" are just a new form of fantasy release.

[karlschneider]

23. Some skyscrapers have load bearing walls. The WTC towers were 2

examples.

Go away. We already have enough idiot pricks around here.
:grr:

[TankLV]

29. Damn FACTS keep getting in the way of a good conspiracy again!

Some people will never be convinced, no matter what the evidence.

But what do we know, we're only professionals involved 24/7 with the stuff.

And all those "crackpot" folks at Engineering News Record, and other similar "wacko" fringe mags, almost all the major Engineering and Architecture Universities, and ...

[TomNickell]

25. 'Some theories are just plain Stupid'

Nobody is claiming to know everything. But -some- theories are just too obviously stupid to deserve anybody's time.

And anybody advocating such nonsense is just going to be dismissed as a fool. Except, or course, on a CT thread.

I don't usually bother to prove that the Earth is round, either.

[bpilgrim]

27. but you show up on every one...

"I don't usually bother to prove that the Earth is round, either."

:hi:

peace

[yankeedem]

26. Conspiracy theorists can never answer

How they got tons of explosives into the World Trade Center without anyone knowing anything. For pete sakes, that kills all their theories right there. None of the 100 000 or so folks that use the WTC daily noticed anything?

Inconvenient information for the conspiracy hacks.

[bpilgrim]

28. how may 'tons' would it take?

and if folks were working in elevator shafts who would know but a few?

that is one weak guess that is easy to imagine a senario where an insider could easily get a team of folks in their with minmum folks ever being aware of their true purpose.

peace

[OldSoldier]

30. I'd think at least a couple...

The floors in those kinds of buildings have HVAC ducting, water pipes and so on, and they're made so people can crawl around in there for maintenance purposes...could someone crawl through the floor system and plant explosives? Yes, and without raising suspicions. Maintenance people are supposed to do maintenance work--and if there just happens to be a couple blocks of explosive in the mechanic's toolbag, who's gonna know?

I don't buy into the theory, though. I think Bush is up to his ass in this, but they were probably figuring there'd just be a big hole in the side of the building. No big whoop, we can fix the thing easy and we'll still have the WTC.

The thinking that Bush allowed the WTC to be hit because it was full of Democrats is a bit strange, considering all the financial services firms--which are staffed largely with Republicans--who occupied the towers.

[gandalf]

31. A real conspiracy theorist can answer everything per definitionem

Those who ask legitimate questions cannot answer every question. But, to be fair, the offical version also has some difficulties.

How to prepare the building:
Only to show that it is not impossible. I do not say that it happended.

"None of the 100 000 or so folks that use the WTC daily noticed anything?"

What would they notice?
"Maintenance" work, for example. That is not unusual.

Or the bombing specialists could have rented some offices. Then they would have enough time to install some things.

It is not that easy to disprove the idea.

[maha]

33. I'm an eyewitness.

I had a clear, unobstructed view, from a high-rise office building on West 17th street.

The buildings collapsed from the top down. The lower levels stood strong and were without damage until the collapse.

All of the bomb theories are self-evidently absurd to anyone who was there.

[gandalf]

34. Don't quite understand your point.

1) I did not voice the opinion that the buildings were bombed.
I only wanted to say that it would not be impossible to plant the bombs.

2) "The buildings collapsed from the top down"
Why does that disprove the idea of bombs? Because bombs would necessarily have to be installed in the lower parts too? Or because you saw no explosions?

[maha]

36. My point is there were no bombs.

Get over it. No bombs. Didn't happen. Thanks much.

[gandalf]

38. Perhaps I expressed myself not clearly. I asked for a rationale

not for statement of faith

[maha]

39. No faith if you were there.

The cause of the damage was evident to eyewitnesses.

No bombs went off beneath the points of impact. As I said, I had a clear view.

The damage to the upper parts of the buildings was caused by the planes and subsequent fires. It was obvious.

[angka]

32. lots of explosives got into the WTC.

they were in these two huge planes that crashed into them. which is bad enough.

great cartoons, nost.

[gandalf]

35. Fuel is no explosive here. Read the official FEMA report.

They explain that the fuel BURNED (and for the case of the South Tower, a huge share outside the building), not exploded.
It even burned within minutes.

[nostamj]

40. not exploded???

great special effects....