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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:23 PM
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Check out this website if you want to know more about Kucinich...
Edited on Sat Aug-23-03 05:36 PM by Magical
Check out this website. It has several interesting videos on Dennis Kucinch:
http://www.fluxrostrum.com/MindFlux/DennisKucinich/kucinich.htm
B-) B-) B-)
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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:26 PM
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1. Kick
Edited on Sat Aug-23-03 05:31 PM by Magical
There should be a rule so that new topics at least stay at the top for a minute or two!:kick:
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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:31 PM
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2. Kick
Edited on Sat Aug-23-03 05:37 PM by Magical
I want at least 15 replies aside from my kicks!
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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:39 PM
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3. Kick
:eyes:
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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:50 PM
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4. Why, oh why do threads sink like a rock!
:mad:
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:55 PM
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5. I supposedly posted a comment to the Greens in Austin article
and now I can't find it. Oh, well, maybe I am just having trouble navigating the site.
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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:02 PM
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6. What's your opinion...
...on the site?
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:06 PM
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7. Very good, but I am an absolute computer blah...
Don't know how to run those MP3 thingies. Have downloaded a few before and never could find them to play them. I'm serious...don't laugh!!
Did you find my comment?

Sometimes I feel like a klutz, sometimes I don't...
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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:10 PM
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8. Do you have real player or another player
Edited on Sat Aug-23-03 06:12 PM by Magical
If you don't go to:
http://www.real.com/
Good luck hope you figure it out.

Btw is this your post?

by Carol Grebing • Saturday August 23, 2003 at 03:51 PM
Greens here in New Mexico are flocking to Dennis K. We are an early primary state (Feb. 3) and as such will help choose the NEXT PRESIDENT.
In my county, Greens are 14% of the adult voting population. They are rushing to change their registration to Dem so they can vote for DK.It's good to have them back in the party for a national candidate who can unite, not divide.
Bring us together, Dennis!!

:)
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:22 PM
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10. Yup, that's it.
Edited on Sat Aug-23-03 06:24 PM by revcarol
I'm sure I downloaded RealPlayer at one time or another.Know I have windowsmedia and winamp.I can't try your thing yet. I have to look up some info on conscientious objection for a mother with 4 draft-age sons. But will get back to it. Keep it bumped up and I'll put it on my favorites list.
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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:18 PM
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9. Kick
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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:27 PM
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11. Kick
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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:42 PM
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12. Kick
Kick Kick Kick :kick: :kick: :kick:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:45 PM
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13. Calm down
I see you are fairly new. I know that sometimes when you post it seems like your post drops like a stone, all the way to page four. Then it occured to me that my post dropped because people were reading it, looking at links, etc. Then they would comment on it.
Thanks for the site.

and

:kick:

I am personally for Dean, but am gald that you are making this availble.
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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 10:31 PM
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14. Ok I'll tone it down.
But it's about to go to page three!
:kick:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 11:07 PM
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15. Fantastic! This is awesome!
Thank you so much for posting this Magical! I'm going to start right off with 'Prayer for America' in a few moments before drifting off to sleep because I remember how much that one touched my heart as the war drums were beating and fools were hanging flags everywhere without realizing what what eveil path we were embarking on. This speech is such a moment in history for me!

Speech By Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH)
To The Southern California Americans for Democratic Action.
February 17, 2002 Los Angeles, California

A Prayer for America

(to be sung as an overture for America)

"My country 'tis of thee. Sweet land of liberty of thee I sing. . . . From every mountainside, let freedom ring. . . . Long may our land be bright. With freedom's holy light. . . ."

"Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave. O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

"America, America, God shed grace on thee. And crown thy good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea. . . . "


I offer these brief remarks today as a prayer for our country, with love of democracy, as a celebration of our country. With love for our country. With hope for our country. With a belief that the light of freedom cannot be extinguished as long as it is inside of us. With a belief that freedom rings resoundingly in a democracy each time we speak freely. With the understanding that freedom stirs the human heart and fear stills it. With the belief that a free people cannot walk in fear and faith at the same time.

With the understanding that there is a deeper truth expressed in the unity of the United States. That implicit in the union of our country is the union of all people. That all people are essentially one. That the world is interconnected not only on the material level of economics, trade, communication, and transportation, but innerconnected through human consciousness, through the human heart, through the heart of the world, through the simply expressed impulse and yearning to be and to breathe free.

I offer this prayer for America.

Let us pray that our nation will remember that the unfolding of the promise of democracy in our nation paralleled the striving for civil rights. That is why we must challenge the rationale of the Patriot Act. We must ask why should America put aside guarantees of constitutional justice?

How can we justify in effect canceling the First Amendment and the right of free speech, the right to peaceably assemble?

How can we justify in effect canceling the Fourth Amendment, probable cause, the prohibitions against unreasonable search and seizure?

How can we justify in effect canceling the Fifth Amendment, nullifying due process, and allowing for indefinite incarceration without a trial?

How can we justify in effect canceling the Sixth Amendment, the right to prompt and public trial?

How can we justify in effect canceling the Eighth Amendment which protects against cruel and unusual punishment?

We cannot justify widespread wiretaps and internet surveillance without judicial supervision, let alone with it.

We cannot justify secret searches without a warrant.

We cannot justify giving the Attorney General the ability to designate domestic terror groups.

We cannot justify giving the FBI total access to any type of data which may exist in any system anywhere such as medical records and financial records.

We cannot justify giving the CIA the ability to target people in this country for intelligence surveillance.

We cannot justify a government which takes from the people our right to privacy and then assumes for its own operations a right to total secrecy.

The Attorney General recently covered up a statue of Lady Justice showing her bosom as if to underscore there is no danger of justice exposing herself at this time, before this administration.

Let us pray that our nation's leaders will not be overcome with fear. Because today there is great fear in our great Capitol. And this must be understood before we can ask about the shortcomings of Congress in the current environment. The great fear began when we had to evacuate the Capitol on September 11. It continued when we had to leave the Capitol again when a bomb scare occurred as members were pressing the CIA during a secret briefing. It continued when we abandoned Washington when anthrax, possibly from a government lab, arrived in the mail.

It continued when the Attorney General declared a nationwide terror alert and then the Administration brought the destructive Patriot Bill to the floor of the House.

It continued in the release of the bin Laden tapes at the same time the President was announcing the withdrawal from the ABM treaty.

It remains present in the cordoning off of the Capitol. It is present in the camouflaged armed national guardsmen who greet members of Congress each day we enter the Capitol campus. It is present in the labyrinth of concrete barriers through which we must pass each time we go to vote.

The trappings of a state of siege trap us in a state of fear, ill-equipped to deal with the Patriot Games, the Mind Games, the War Games of an unelected President and his undetected Vice President.

Let us pray that our country will stop this war. "To provide for the common defense" is one of the formational principles of America.

Our Congress gave the President the ability to respond to the tragedy of September 11. We licensed a response to those who helped bring the terror of September 11th. But we the people and our elected representatives must reserve the right to measure the response, to proportion the response, to challenge the response, and to correct the response.

Because we did not authorize the invasion of Iraq.
We did not authorize the invasion of Iran.
We did not authorize the invasion of North Korea.
We did not authorize the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan.
We did not authorize permanent detainees in Guantanamo Bay.
We did not authorize the withdrawal from the Geneva Convention.
We did not authorize military tribunals suspending due process and habeas corpus.
We did not authorize assassination squads.
We did not authorize the resurrection of COINTELPRO.
We did not authorize the repeal of the Bill of Rights.
We did not authorize the revocation of the Constitution.
We did not authorize national identity cards.
We did not authorize the eye of Big Brother to peer from cameras throughout our cities.
We did not authorize an eye for an eye.
Nor did we ask that the blood of innocent people, who perished on September 11, be avenged with the blood of innocent villagers in Afghanistan.
We did not authorize the administration to wage war anytime, anywhere,anyhow it pleases.
We did not authorize war without end.
We did not authorize a permanent war economy.

Yet we are upon the threshold of a permanent war economy. The President has requested a $45.6 billion increase in military spending. All defense-related programs will cost close to $400 billion.

Consider that the Department of Defense has never passed an independent audit. Consider that the Inspector General has notified Congress that the Pentagon cannot properly account for $1.2 trillion in transactions. Consider that in recent years the Dept. of Defense could not match $22 billion worth of expenditures to the items it purchased, wrote off, as lost, billions of dollars worth of in-transit inventory and stored nearly $30 billion worth of spare parts it did not need.

Yet the defense budget grows with more money for weapons systems to fight a cold war which ended, weapon systems in search of new enemies to create new wars. This has nothing to do with fighting terror.

This has everything to do with fueling a military industrial machine with the treasure of our nation, risking the future of our nation, risking democracy itself with the militarization of thought which follows the militarization of the budget.

Let us pray for our children.

Our children deserve a world without end. Not a war without end. Our children deserve a world free of the terror of hunger, free of the terror of poor health care, free of the terror of homelessness, free of the terror of ignorance, free of the terror of hopelessness, free of the terror of policies which are committed to a world view which is not appropriate for the survival of a free people, not appropriate for the survival of democratic values, not appropriate for the survival of our nation, and not appropriate for the survival of the world.

Let us pray that we have the courage and the will as a people and as a nation to shore ourselves up, to reclaim from the ruins of September 11th our democratic traditions.

Let us declare our love for democracy. Let us declare our intent for peace.

Let us work to make nonviolence an organizing principle in our own society.

Let us recommit ourselves to the slow and painstaking work of statecraft, which sees peace, not war as being inevitable.

Let us work for a world where someday war becomes archaic.

That is the vision which the proposal to create a Department of Peace envisions. Forty-three members of Congress are now cosponsoring the legislation. Let us work for a world where nuclear disarmament is an imperative. That is why we must begin by insisting on the commitments of the ABM treaty. That is why we must be steadfast for nonproliferation.

Let us work for a world where America can lead the day in banning weapons of mass destruction not only from our land and sea and sky but from outer space itself. That is the vision of HR 3616: A universe free of fear. Where we can look up at God's creation in the stars and imagine infinite wisdom, infinite peace, infinite possibilities, not infinite war, because we are taught that the kingdom will come on earth as it is in heaven. Let us pray that we have the courage to replace the images of death which haunt us, the layers of images of September 11th, faded into images of patriotism, spliced into images of military mobilization, jump-cut into images of our secular celebrations of the World Series, New Year's Eve, the Superbowl, the Olympics, the strobic flashes which touch our deepest fears, let us replace those images with the work of human relations, reaching out to people, helping our own citizens here at home, lifting the plight of the poor everywhere.

That is the America which has the ability to rally the support of the world.

That is the America which stands not in pursuit of an axis of evil, but which is itself at the axis of hope and faith and peace and freedom. America, America. God shed grace on thee. Crown thy good, America.

Not with weapons of mass destruction. Not with invocations of an axis of evil. Not through breaking international treaties. Not through establishing America as king of a unipolar world. Crown thy good America. America, America. Let us pray for our country. Let us love our country. Let us defend our country not only from the threats without but from the threats within.

Crown thy good, America. Crown thy good with brotherhood, and sisterhood. And crown thy good with compassion and restraint and forbearance and a commitment to peace, to democracy, to economic justice here at home and throughout the world.

Crown thy good, America. Crown thy good America. Crown thy good.

Thank you.

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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 02:50 AM
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18. "This speech is such a moment in history for me! "
SO TRUE!!!

Tinoire you are right on.

This was February 2002. Only 5 months after * took a national tragedy and turned it into his boys club own personal lottery.

I live in Cleveland. I was working at a record store and one of my co-workers also had a job as a board-op at WTAM(CLEARCHANNEL<-EVIL). She had heard about the speech because of course the asshole Glen Beck, syndicated on WTAM, was questioning if it was patriotic or whatever bullshit he was spewing. She printed copies of it from Glen Beck's website(HAHA) and gave them to me and another co-worker who was also anti-war and anti-shrub.

I read that speech at work that day and it felt so great! Dennis spoke from the heart and I finally felt there might be a chance to save us from the fascist and empire building future that I could only see up until that point.

I believe that speech is what triggered the push for Dennis K to run for president. Even that day, my friend and I both exclaimed, "I wish Dennis Kucinich would run for President!" No joke, that was one of my first thoughts after reading it.



oh and Magical here is a KICK :)

TWL
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 03:52 AM
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19. That is a terrific website
My favorite is Imagine America. It's just an audio file but it is fantastic!!

And Dennis sure can sing!! :)

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holyworrier Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 02:00 AM
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16. Thanks for the link!
Bump.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 02:30 AM
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17. Thanks, Magical! And

welcome to DU! :hi:
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