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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 05:47 PM
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For those who suspect Cheney did 9-11, read this.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 05:48 PM
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 05:53 PM
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2. Alex Jones only succeeds...
In making any serious investigator look bad. Nothing more.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 06:41 PM
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6. I've seen most of this elsewhere. Haven't seen it adequately
refuted yet - whether it's Alex Jones or not. At this point, that's really a lot like freepers bashing M. Moore without refuting his assertions.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 05:54 PM
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3. I really like it when
people give a clue as to what the content is they're linking to. Not everyone one wants to click thru to find out. Some people are on dial-up.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 06:38 PM
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5. Sorry, Eloriel. I'm too computer illiterate to know how!
:shrug:
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 08:10 PM
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14. It just means you explain what the links lead to
doesnt require any special computer skills.
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judy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 05:56 PM
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4. This is very interesting...
Thanks EP for posting it!
Oh, these people give me the heebie jeebies...

If, Heaven forbid, Smirk gets elected in November, may all this stuff explode and may they all be be frog marched out of the White House in hand cuffs!!
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 06:50 PM
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7. For those who object to Alex Jones
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 06:58 PM by Minstrel Boy
for one reason or another - he does act a tad over-excited for my taste - here's an important report from Michael Ruppert on the 9/11 wargames:

For six weeks I have been investigating a number of other 9/11 wargames that link directly to the work done by Global Free Press on Tripod II and other wargames. I am not exaggerating when I say that we may be close to the Holy Grail of 9/11.

I am certain that it will not be too long before these wargames receive serious coverage in the mainstream press. If they are reported on while still linked to the FEMA myth, the Bush administration will have a free shot to discredit the Tripod story (and all of the wargame stories) by disproving the FEMA part to the press and then asking, "Why should we even respond to the rest?"

The wargames will tie Bush and/or Cheney and Rumsfeld directly into a complete paralysis of fighter response on 9/11. I have gone directly to many NORAD, DoD, NRO, and other sources and questioned them. I have knocked on many doors and I have even obtained some documents. I have obtained an on-the-record statement from someone in NORAD, which confirmed that on the day of 9/11 The Joint Chiefs (Myers) and NORAD were conducting a joint, live-fly, hijack Field Training Exercise (FTX) which involved at least one (and almost certainly many more) aircraft under US control that was posing as a hijacked airliner. That is just the tip of what I have uncovered.

There never was a stand down order issued. That would have been way too incriminating and risky a piece of evidence. And it also might have been ignored by eager fighter pilots who had trained their whole lives to respond to a hostile aircraft killing Americans. There are several statements that the "new" NORAD procedures transferring scramble authority to Rumsfeld on June 1, 2001 were ignored by several NORAD commanders on 9/11 including General Larry Arnold. That's exactly what I would have expected.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060704_tripod_fema.html

And a DU thread:
New bombshell: on 9/11 Pentagon conducted live-fly hijacking wargame
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1694495
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 07:06 PM
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9. Thanks, MB!
:yourock:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 07:58 PM
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12. Regardless of who presents it this is a real issue. The USAF on 9/11, too
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 08:04 PM by bobthedrummer
Good one, Minstrel Boy!
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 08:20 PM
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17. There's a lot of shoot-the-messenger going on, especially
around 9/11. And most of it doesn't rise above the crudest character assassination. The Left Gatekeepers are some of the worst offenders. David Corn's brutal and baseless assault on Michael Ruppert did the 9/11 truth movement a lot of damage at a vulnerable time and to those who don't know any better Ruppert's reputation still smarts for it.

The "respectable left" is embarrassed by us. Well, so be it. And you can expect this thread to shortly be moved, out of sight, to the hidden door-behind-a-door of the 9/11 dungeon.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 08:46 PM
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19. No stand down orders?......interesting, yet more work needs to be done.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 06:56 PM
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8. 'the match is on for tomorrow'
does this ring a bell with anyone?

dp
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 07:06 PM
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10. Where is that from?
:shrug:
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 07:22 PM
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11. "the match is on"
Came from NSA surveillance activities a day or two before 9/11.

Sounds more like a warning than a coded message.

And what about all those stock options? No official response yet.

******

It makes sense; confuse NORAD with excercises thereby allowing the airplanes to escape detection and/or interception. It explains why nothing was done to protect America that day.

Damn, that Osama sure was smart, eh?.

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:14 PM
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20. from what i remember
this was an intercepted message from AQ translated after Sept11. It made the news in the days/weeks following and immediately Cheney was snarling about 'classified info' and it soon fell into the memory hole.

But sometime after i read an analysis concerning a spy that was being sought (i can't remember now the name of the spy, or the article's author but that it was a female author)and the spy had inside info about the exercises mentioned at the link in the post above, and fed the info to AQ.
Her speculation was that the exercises were 'matched' by AQ, and the WH and Norad etc, were caught off guard by the real thing happening at the same time.

dp
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 08:16 PM
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16. Is that like
"Gumball?"
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 08:07 PM
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13. Who...
...me?
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 08:13 PM
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15. Kick
SGTV
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 08:40 PM
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18. Too many blatant coincidences and no official prosecutor to convict!!
Catch 22.........

America, like half these DUrs still haven't gotten a grip
on the evidence before them.

I am convinced that they are in an abyss of denial.

So what happens from this time forward, is what happens.
And this is unfortunate.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 03:00 AM
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21. Former German defense minister points the finger at the CIA
In his book "911 and the CIA" (in German), Andreas von Bulow - former German defense minister - lays out the evidence of the
military-industrial complex carrying out the 9/11 attacks.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/jones_report.html

Cheney's influence over the CIA is obvious so - yeah - Cheney as the PNAC's Main Man in the 911 scheme is a "given" AFAIC.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 03:46 AM
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22. Cheney is not human.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:52 PM
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23. Its pretty obvious that No Commander gave the shoot order
Pentagon had missiles that could fire but weren't ordered to

Planes did not shoot....

What kinda Commander in Chief sits and reads My Pet Goat
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