Did the North lose the Civil War?

[maxrandb]

I mean seriously. This country seems more dangerously devided than at any other time in history. Name for me ONE leader in the federal government that is not from a confederate state, or a state that would have come down on the side of the South (ie. Texas).

and for those of you that want to flame me for slamming the South, send us someone other than "W", Cheney, Delay, Smircking Sen. Allen from VA, or any of the other racist's old coots you've been sending to Washington and I'll sing the praises of the South. Until then, I feel like the North should secede.

[Fixated]

1. ....

I personally would have liked to let those idiots have their own country. But yes, we kicked their asses all over this joint.

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[xJlM]

3. People named Sherman are STILL not popular in Georgia

They've also got the world's biggest second place trophy there outside Atlanta, Stone Mountain. If you look it up on Google, you'll undoubtedly see a picture of a hillside carved with the images of Jefferson Davis, Stonewall Jackson, and Robert E. Lee. A loser's monument.

[Rowdyboy]

4. Who the hell do you think elects Lott, Delay, Armey to the leadership

Your stupid asshole representatives. We don't make them leaders-YOUR representatives and senators vote them in. So bitch to YOUR Republican house and senate members, not your Democratic allies in the south. We'll go a lot further if we concentrate on the real enemy, not strawmen.

[carpetbagger]

5. View from a carpetbagger.

1. Rumsfeld was from Illinois, Wolfowitz from New York.
2. Of the five people who put Bush in office, one is from Trenton, one from Sacramento, and one from Milwaukee.
3. We sent you Bill Clinton. We're sending you fellow carpetbagger Wes Clark.

[Clete]

8. Daddy and Grandaddy Bush are New Englanders.

George, Sr. was born in Milton, Mass. and Prescott in New Haven, Conn.

So much for the Texas cowboy myth and the phony accent.

[fabius]

6. Plenty of idiot Repugs from the West, Northwest

Sen. Gordon Smith (OR), one of my favorites. I write him lots of letters because I never agree with anything he does or says. Typical corporate whore.

[Kat 333]

10. Cheney is from Nebraska ...

Cheney has long roots in Nebraska.


His mother, Marjorie Lauraine (Dickey) Cheney, was born near Syracuse, Neb.
His father, Richard Herbert Cheney, came from Sumner, Neb., and was a
conservation agent with the Soil Conservation Service.


The family lived in Lincoln for the first 12 or 13 years of Cheney's life.
They lived, at one time, on South 44th Street, where Cheney was a part of a small cadre of boys known as the 44th Street gang.


In 1952 or 1953, the family moved to Casper, Wyo. It is from there that Cheney launched his political career.

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Gordon Smith makes my stomach SICK also !

[JVS]

7. Oh no, not again

[Yupster]

9. Texas was one of the Confederate States

in fact it was one of the original seven, and it was one of the few states which held a referrendum to leave the union. It passed by 4-1 or some lopsided vote.

General Robertson led the Texas Brigade of General Hood's division in Lee's Army of Northern Virginia at Gettysburg. They fought at Little Round Top.

[Devlzown]

11. The Civil War?

I've heard it said that southerners still haven't gotten over the Civil War. That's true in some cases. Such southerners tend to have a romantic view about life in antebellum times. Why are you so hostile? I know that our country is divided, but it isn't divided along regional lines. There are progressive southerners as well as redneck northerners, westerners, etc. Yeah, we have our share of idiots -- I make no apologies for them. Trent Lott is a senator from my state. But don't you think you were being a bit prejudiced when you decided to throw us all into the same mix? Don't paint with such a broad brush, Tom Sawyer!

[carolinayellowdog]

13. Not over it

Hey,

Seems to me that in NC and VA people are "not over" the CW only in the sense they're not over the American Revolution. Brits are not seen as enemies any more than Northerners are. But the war was so pivotal in our history that it can't be forgotten.

The kind of fierce, unforgiving, "not over it" blame expressed in the opening post of this thread seems to be an exclusively Northern phenomenon, judging from DU. It's generally a byproduct of ignorance and frustration which leads to scapegoating. Southerners haven't blamed Northerners for all our problems as a nation for at least three generations. Some Northerners still find it easier to blame Southerners for all our problems than to look for realistic ways to solve them-- which inevitably involve cooperation with the hated Other.

CYD

[Kamika]

12. This is too stupid to answer

Check where the most famous democrats comes from, then come back

[Darranar]

17. A few exceptions...

though Lyndon Johnson, Bill Clinton, and Al Goe all came from the South, FDR, who in my view is the most famous Democratic president, came from the North.

[Davis_X_Machina]

14. Slavery aside... Look at some 1860 side issues:

...high tariffs -- South wins (NAFTA, WTO)
...low Federal expendiditures on internal improvements -- South wins.
...hegemonic expansion into Carribean and Central America -- South wins.

[TAH6988]

15. Of course

seven of the ten most segregated cities in America are in the NORTH, but don't let that stop you from bashing the South.

[Atlant]

16. No, we didn't lose the Civil War, but we lost the peace.

(A not uncommon theme in "wars")

Atlant

[hexola]

18. We all lost the civil war...

and they made us all slaves...

[Bridget Burke]

19. They would have...

If the Yankees of those days had been whining wimps, afraid of the big, bad Southerners. I remember a trip through New York State & New England, just after July 4th about 10 years ago. Texas has some pretty areas like the Hill Country & there's starkly beautiful scenery out West, but nothing here compares to the Hudson River Valley or the Green Mountains of Vermont.

And in each town, there was a memorial to the Civil War dead. The people who raised them were proud that they had fought to preserve the Union. And the war did end slavery in this country even if that was not its primary reason. Do you not think that was good thing?

Too bad about my senators--I've never voted for a Republican in my life--but I do send Sheila Jackson Lee to Washington.

They aren't making Yankees like they used to.

[THUNDER HANDS]

20. It's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

Another Southern-bashing thread arrises from the bowels of DU.

:)

[Kamika]

21. hey

thats a cool picture

[Brewman_Jax]

22. The South and the Confederacy...

have the unfortunate distinction of sharing the same space at the same time for 4 years.