NAVARRETTE Shafts Fellow Latino BUSTAMANTE (Again)

[UTUSN]

This NAVARRETTE dude, promoted by NPR and the Wash.Post as a Latino voice, has the m.o. of Bill-BUCKLEY-ing his way (twisting self into pretzel) around every issue, claiming to speak as a Latino, then finally coming down EVERY TIME on the wingnut side of things. He's the Latino Uncle Clarence.

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http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/nava0826.htm

.... I'm sticking to my earlier prediction that in the end, Latinos will more likely cast their votes for Schwarzenegger than for Bustamante. For one thing, on a variety of issues ranging from taxes to school choice, Latinos tend to take conservative positions. Schwarzenegger may be a moderate within his own party, but he's still more conservative than Bustamante. Latinos are also more willing to gamble on innovative ways to tackle old problems and may be willing to take a chance on an untested commodity such as Schwarzenegger. Also, the movie actor's campaign is made to order for disaffected voters. And, in California, few groups are as disaffected as Latinos.

The Gallup Tuesday Briefing Poll, a premium service offered by the Gallup Organization, recently found that 82 percent of Latinos in California had a favorable view of Schwarzenegger.

But no matter how he fares on Oct. 7, Bustamante has another battle on his hands -- this one for respect from the media and members of his own party. ....

Personally, I've never seen much leadership material in Bustamante, ....

Ruben Navarrette's e-mail address is [e-mail]

******QUOTE #2 (backround, Affirmative Action, on NAVARRETTE*****

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:P2pk_5zpg3wJ:www.wma.com/ruben_navarette/bio/RUBEN_NAVARRETTE.pdf+Ruben+Navarrette&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Mr. Navarrette is the author of a book detailing his experience as one of less than five hundred Mexican-

American students to graduate from Harvard College. A Darker Shade of Crimson: Odyssey of a Harvard

Chicano was published by Bantam Books in the Fall of 1993 ....

*******QUOTE #3, Previous Shafting*********
http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/nava0812.htm

As a Mexican-American native of California, I never thought I'd be reacting with such ambivalence to the possibility that the state might elect its first Latino governor in modern times.

Of course, nor did I ever imagine that I'd be coming to the defense of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Wrong on both counts. While I can't seem to get too worked up over the idea of a Gov. Cruz Bustamante, neither can I get the smile off my face at the mere thought of a Gov. Schwarzenegger. ....

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[Cha]

1. What an idiot! anybody that wants arnie for govenor isn't

working with a full set.

[Le Taz Hot]

2. I haven't read Navarette in years!

Is he still incuding the "I am a Harvard graduate" in EVERY single article he writes? Bush* graduated from Yale. What does this tell us about "Ivy League" schools?

[UTUSN]

3. The Ruben/Clarence Affirmative Action Effect

It's not valid to generalize from a sample of TWO (NAVARRETTE & Clarence THOMAS), but just about them:

It seems the result of Affirmative Action with them was to teach them to go contrary to their home group as a supposed sign of being "independent thinkers". At least they are consigned to a hellish lifetime of being called Uncle Toms by their home groups.

[rudeboy666]

4. LOL!!!!!!!

"Is he still incuding the "I am a Harvard graduate" _______I first became aware about Mr. Navarrette in a Los Angeles Times article yearrrrrs ago. And of course, the references to Harvard was very prominent.

Latino Clarence? I don't think so.

Even though I disagree with some of his views, the fact remains that Latinos are very conservative(at least socially). The only reason that they do not overwhelmingly vote Republican is because of the party's perceived racism and it's anti-social programs stance(which many Latinos support). Otherwise, Latinos are not a bastion social/cultural progressivism. Traditionalism still holds strong sway in this community.(I know, because as a cultural libertarian, my views are considered 'libertinism' among my fellow Latinos!)

[UTUSN]

7. Being Anti-"Libertine" Doesn't Mean Being Politically Conservative

Reasons NOT to vote Repuke-------"perceived racism" and "anti-social programs"-----are pretty good markers of belonging in the Dem Party.

"social/cultural progressivism" does not equate with being a libertine. "cultural libertarian"ism, depending on exactly what specifics are included, might well be far out for MANY Dems/Libs. We have a strong strain of Dems/Libs who are spiritual, socially extreme on social justice while personally conservative.

I submit that the so-called "Conservative" family values are largely the external window dressing of ritual, while letting all manner of hanky panky roll----------so long as it's discreet, or in the closet if you will.

Just because somebody won't parade in Carnival in a string thong down't make them a political Conservative.

[UTUSN]

5. Am Sending These (His) Fallacies to Him

1) “The conventional wisdom is that Bustamante's strong showing thus far is largely attributable to the fact that many California Latinos would like to see one of their own in the governor's chair.”

He’s saying that Hispanics don’t know or care about ISSUES, just want a Hispanic. This would be the wing nut rationale for putting forth Miguel ESTRADA. False.

2) “For one thing, on a variety of issues ranging from taxes to school choice, Latinos tend to take conservative positions.”

This is the hoary (and whorey) canard about Hispanics, deep-down being “Conservative” based on their “Conservative family values”. Actually, their “Conservatism” is in the mainstream of “lapsed Catholic values”, meaning attention to external RITUALS while ignoring dicta on anti-choice, anti-birth-control, while also actively FAVORING the parts of Church LIBRALISM regarding social justice.

3) “he's still more conservative than Bustamante. Latinos are also more willing to gamble on innovative ways to tackle old problems and may be willing to take a chance on an untested commodity such as Schwarzenegger.”

More on the FALSE premise of Hispanic “Conservatism” and their SUPERFICIALITY in not caring about issues and being IMPULSIVE, EMOTIONAL.

4) “…respect from the media and members of his own party…”

Let’s see, NAVARRETTE is projecting here, since in every issue, incident, circumstance that comes up, he gives NO respect to the vast majority of Hispanics whom HE does NOT represent. He consistently, like Chris MATTHEWS, takes the side of Goliah against little David. A tradition in journalism has been to glorify the underdog. NAVARRETTE and Tweety ALWAYS side with the most resourced choice, the most glamorous, the most powerful, the most “successful”.

5) “…plantation politics. It would demonstrate once again that liberals often see Latino support as a one-way street, …”

Let’s see, it’s LIBERALS who practice the one-way street? The same Liberals who enacted Affirmative Action that NAVARRETTE benefited from (and the rest of the Liberal social justice canon)?

6) "The Gallup Tuesday Briefing Poll, a premium service offered by the Gallup Organization, recently found that 82 percent of Latinos in California had a favorable view of Schwarzenegger."

Umm, would these be VOTING Latinos, or largely movie-viewing public?

[rudeboy666]

6. yes and no

While you have some valid points against Navarrette, you still haven't invalidated the claim that Latinos are conservative(this label not exclusively defined in American terms).

Didn't California Latinos played a key role in defeating a gay rights bill in California a while ago?

I will concede that Latino-Americans might tend to be more liberal. But recent immigrants are more traditional(hypocrisies aside).

[Le Taz Hot]

8. California Latinos may have a different perspective

from Latinos in other states, although I hate to generalize ANY demographic as there are exceptions to everything. Prop. 187, the anti-immigrant Prop. (championed by Wilson and went down in defeat), was largely seen as an attack on all Latinos and many they haven't forgotten that little fiasco. The fact that Wilson has joined Ahnold's campaign is actually a plus for Democrats in that it can mobilize the Latino vote here in California, specifically against the recall.

[UTUSN]

9. I Don't Know Whether CA Hispanics

played a key role in defeating a Gay rights bill, but I'm betting it didn't stop Hispanic Gays from being Gay.

It's like the rumors that Miguel ESTRADA picked up a dude, did the deed in a hotel room, then JUMPED out of bed afterwards and yelled, "YOU'RE GAY!!!!!" at his startled partner. The other dude replied, "Well, duhhh, so are YOU!!!!" ESTRADA yelled back, "No, I'm NOT!!!!"

(I lost the link. It made the rounds several months ago in the gossip pages. I'm not creative enough to make it up.)

As for more recent immigrants -----I agree that the ones who have no political tradition here, who start tiny businesses and prosper, DO have a link to Repukes, like wishing for lower taxes and fewer regs.

But wingnutism is not a "White" pheonmenon in itself. It's an economic facet. In every Latin American country there is the same, if more overt, social class system of rich/Conservative vs. poor. Not to mention the wingnut dictatorship models. Here in this country, Hispanics belong in the Dem Party along with other downtrodden types of all stripes.

If what is being set as THE ONLY standard for being Liberal is JUST acceptance of Gays, I demur. (On Edit: ) Demur, that is, from such a definition if that is the definition being proposed, NOT, repeat, do NOT demur from "acceptance of Gays".