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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 12:56 PM
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ATTENTION: Union members/Labor advocates - I need your help
I am slated to give a speech on Monday before a large labor organization in Boston. I have a good deal of my planned comments outlined already, but I am not an expert in this field by any stretch. Ergo, I need your help.

If you were giving a speech to a Labor group on Labor Day, what would you talk about? Any and all specific facts would be most gratefully welcome.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:00 PM
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1. for one thing, although Union membebers make more
comparitivley, the real reason people like unions is Due process. Less ass kissing and groveling. Things like seniority count rather than your relation to the boss, and if there is trouble, you'll want that due process. There as much progress due to fear of unions asunions themselves.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:04 PM
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6. all the benefits we enjoy today
Edited on Wed Aug-27-03 01:06 PM by mitchtv
like overtime, vacations, health benefits, retirement plans,partners benefits, we owe to unions for origionating the call for, and unions , or fear of them for the achievement of same.Also address plans to permanently replace strikers and Dems plans to stop them.
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recidivist Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 04:30 PM
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23. Careful Will -- this is not true about the money.
Last time I saw the figures, unionized workers on average actually made less than non-union workers. Now, you can slice and dice this a lot of different ways. In particular, I suppose one could argue that for a particular type of job, in particular industries, in particular parts of the country, union members do better. But on average, nationally, the reverse is true. You're going to have to be careful about blanket statements.

Obviously what has happened over the last 30 years is that unions have shrunk dramatically in the private sector while growing in the public sector. Old line unionized industries like steel and autos have lost the bulk of their U.S. employment base, though they've been somewhat successful in maintaining high wages for the survivors. You're seeing this again in the airlines, where the unionized carriers, cripled by high labor costs and union work rules, are dying off, and are being replaced by outfits like Southwest, JetBlue and AirTran.

It might make a difference what type of union you're talking to. Government or private sector workers? Growing or shrinking industry? Will your audience be in a competitive business or are they getting smoked by the competition and looking for protection?

All unions are not the same.

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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:22 PM
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39. Wrong.
http://drs.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=us+service+workers+in+unions+earn+more+per+hour/v=2/SID=e/l=WS1/R=8/H=0/*-http://library.psa.org.nz/collection/other/~miscellaneous%20papers/afl-cio%20-%20the%20advantages%20of%20trade%20unionism%20-%202002.doc

Anomolies may occur, by the aggregate is indisputable, period.

"Union membership helps raise workers' pay and narrow the income gap that disadvantages minorities and women. Union workers earn 25 percent more than non-union workers, according to the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics (A big commie organisation :eyes: ) . Their median weekly earnings for full-time wage and salary work were $718 in 2000, compared with $575 for their non-union counterparts."



Try again.
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Kbowe Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #39
68. Don't forget the benefits packages..
And job security.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:13 AM
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69. Very true.
http://www.uaw.org/solidarity/00/0100/feature04.html

"Better pay.
The average union member makes $2.67 an hour more than the non-union worker.

Better benefits.
The average union member makes $3.87 an hour more in benefits. That means better pensions, better health insurance, a better quality of life."

Don't you just love the BLS? The Labor department is my fav.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:38 PM
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40. Not to rub it in but only ONE catagory nationwide was better for non-union
Finance, insurance, and real estate by $80 a week. Big WHOOPS!:eyes:

Every other, every other, catagory had union employees collecting more per week. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me. Go to the BLS site and search for the facts.

Here's some more: "Union membership helps raise workers' pay and narrow the income gap that disadvantages minorities and women. Union workers earn 25 percent more than non-union workers, according to the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics. Their median weekly earnings for full-time wage and salary work were $718 in 2000, compared with $575 for their non-union counterparts."

I seriously do not understand the union hatred in America. One would think it would only come from greedy, biased, managers/owner (short sighted actually.) but the propaganda has spead beyond them I guess...



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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:49 PM
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43. Once agin: WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
Unless you knew it wasn't factually correct...

"Last time I saw the figures, unionized workers on average actually made less than non-union workers.(deleted Bullshit filler) But on average, nationally, the reverse is true. You're going to have to be careful about blanket statements."

Then it's a LIE.

You need some edumacating.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:01 PM
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2. Try this:
Edited on Wed Aug-27-03 01:02 PM by GOPisEvil
www.afl-cio.org

The second tab on that page (after entering the site) is "Issues and Politics". If you place your mouse over that tab, a sub-menu pops up. Scroll down to BushWatch. Lots of good stuff there.

Added some stuff, fixed link.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:02 PM
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3. I'd talk about the economy for starters.
One thing I've wondered about labor, is why don't they try to organize people overseas? Jobs are going overseas because there are low paid, easily exploited laborers overseas. The AFL-CIO, rather than trying to prevent jobs going oversees by legislation, should have a program where they go overseas and teach people how to organize. Once all laborers are getting decent wages, not only will low wages have little influence on whether jobs go overseas, but there will be a wealthy, happy middle class all over the world increasing demand for products produced by unionized laborers.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:23 PM
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8. I'd stress that point!
Edited on Wed Aug-27-03 01:27 PM by htuttle
(of course, you will risk being accused of being a Wobbly...)

IMNSHO, organizing unions overseas is the only way to save unions here at home.

One Big Union to raise everyone's boat! (except for those yachts...they might end up having to come down a bit...)

:)

(on edit: one further point)

I wouldn't spend a huge amount of time explaining the benefits of Union membership. They probably already know that -- they are already in a Union. I'd spend the time on 'action points', if you can.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:31 PM
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9. Something I feel about unions which I don't hear expressed too often:
People sometimes, perhaps, occassionally with justification, argue that unions have too much power. My feeling is usually, well if you're going to tip the balance in favor of someone and it's between a rich guy benefitting immensely from the labor of others, and the person providing that labor, I'd want that balance tipped in the favor of the guy providing the labor every time.
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Section_43 Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 04:39 PM
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25. To add to that,
without a QUALITY labor force there is no "rich guy benefitting immensely."

Corporate amerika will never understand that.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:04 PM
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34. Speaking of which, I heard a story on the radio today
about a factory that had moved somewere where labor was cheaper (Mexico, probably). Apparently, the factory was operating way below the productivity levels at the previous location (CT? New Mexico?) because the people who had been working the machines at the previous location refused to share all the knowledge with the new low-pay employees that the old former employees had built up over the years about how to work the machines and what to do when the broke down.

Right on!
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:55 PM
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47. Hmm
That WOULD be a good idea. Now we just have to find a way to implement it.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:46 PM
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11. It's against the law for US union members to organize overseas workers.
(Dean also advocates this.) Taft-Hartley Act I think,for over 20 years illegal, but get a good reference librarian on this, so that you aren't advocating unions do something that is prohibited by U. S. law.
I would address privatization of everything...Taking out highly skilled military support personnel,child welfare workers and filling the posts with Lowest Common Denominator unskilled or incompetent people who cost less to hire but deliver big profits to the contractor...

Also foreign companies that do business here (and are non-union) or selling products here aren't paying their fair share of taxes. I fergit what it's called. They take one widget from one place that costs them 50 cents to produce, and sell it to another division for $10, and add this all up, and pretty soon they have a nice car that supposedly COSTS $6000 to produce, and they pay taxes only on the profit, so they have jacked up their costs.

Call Bernie Sanders about this. It's one of his pet peeves.

Gee, there are so MANY things to talk about. HOW ABOUT REPEAL OF THE GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IN THE TAFT_Hartley Act...that mandatory mediation and cooling off period...
How about?: as soon as a location votes for a union, it goes into effect...avoiding all that long legal battle for "certification" and avoiding contract talks that big businesses get away with...
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:51 PM
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14. That dock-worker's strike last year would be an interesting
topic of discussion. Remember how negotiations were progressing, and then Bush jumped in to say that he would use the national guard to take striking dock workers places (is that what it was?). So management backed out of the talks. And didn't Bush do a whole series of things to screw the workers which didn't get a lot of press?
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terryg11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 03:32 PM
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20. this would be something worth touching on
reminding them of what side Bush is really on when push comes to shove.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:50 PM
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44. Why AP you sound like a Wobbly!
IWW: One big union


An injury to one is an injury to all


The IWW still exists today...if only the AFL-CIO had their philosophy 80 years ago then perhaps we would not have the business unionism of today.

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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:59 AM
Response to Reply #44
66. He sure did!
Maybe it's a time for people to start thing Global Labor Unionism again?
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Aries Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:12 AM
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67.  IWW online
Join the Industrial Workers of the World!

This is the official website of the Industrial Workers of the World. Here you'll find just about everything you'll need to join the IWW and begin organizing your workplace and building the One Big Union in your community. Most of the information here deals with the United States and Canada, but we also have links to other IWW sites. Find out more about where we stand on this page.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:04 PM
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4. One word: Outsourcing
that is all
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AnnabelLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:04 PM
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5. Depending upon what you want to focus on
You might want to talk about how important it is to defeat any new attempts to pass more so-called right-to-work laws, & voting Democratic is the best way to do that. A good starting point about how these laws hurt workers
http://www.aflcio.org/issuespolitics/stateissues/righttowork.cfm

My particular hobby-horse, since my husband is a Teamster, is that James P. Hoffa is destroying the union, giving himself & his friends multiple salaries & pensions, & that he needs to be voted out of the IBT Presidency. But, that probably wouldn't be appropriate to bring up during your speech.
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Psychoblues99 Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:22 PM
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7. WillPitt, I've given many speeches at many Union functions from jobsite
to international levels. Who is your audience going to be and why are they going to be there? If you will be talking to rank and file members your emphasis will be much different than if you are speaking to seasoned Union leadership. There are just too many unknowns here for me to give you any advise other than to say that at whatever level it's always good to speak a little about the advantages of Union membership and the responsibilities as Union members and Americans to exercise their rights as citizens. Maybe you can talk about Taft-Hartley, minimum wage, workplace safety and environmental considerations, cheap labor party interference, etc.

I'll be more than happy to help you all I possibly can, Will, and I'm already very aware that you got game on the speech thing and you are far more experienced and knowledgeable than your age would indicate.

Psychoblues

Dems Gotta Keep On Truckin'.,,,.,.,.,.,,,,,,.,,.,.,.,.,.,..,,.,.,.,.,..,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,,.,,.,.,,.,,.,,.,.,,.,.,.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:34 PM
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10. Talk about Republicans
and how they have ALWAYS been opposed to the rights of working people. Talk about their opposition to Child Labor laws, OSHA, the 40-hour workweek, weekends, etc.
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Cheesehead Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #10
28. "Cheap Labor Conservatives"
and the class warfare they are waging on the working clss.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:49 PM
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12. visit the Labor Party's site
Edited on Wed Aug-27-03 01:49 PM by Mairead
and you'll get all you need. http://www.thelaborparty.org
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:50 PM
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13. Forgot: talk about cash balance pensions vs. traditional defined benefit
Edited on Wed Aug-27-03 01:51 PM by revcarol
pensions and how the laws are stacked against traditional defined benefit pensions.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 05:17 PM
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30. Yes! What she said.
One of the unions my partner's firm represents did a big anti-cash-balance campaign. The slogan was: "The Cash Doesn't Balance." They had a pair of scales with two very differently-sized stacks of bills...

Actually, pensions in general are a hot issue, what with the market being the way it is. Privatizing social security will remove the last fallback available to those whose pensions were already destroyed by the Enron debacle and the resulting market crash.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 01:52 PM
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15. The war on public employees
Talk about how Bush sold out the cops and firefighters in New York after using them for a photo-op. Teachers, janitors, court personnel, juvenile counselors are all being sold down the river.

The plundering of pension funds, there are a lot of good examples of this. In Oregon, (I know, few in Massachusetts give a shit) the public employees retrement systen is in the process of being "reformed", are there examples of this in the Northeast?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 02:34 PM
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16. Thanks, everyone
I *knew* I could count on you.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 02:53 PM
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17. Will, I would stress the need to return to our roots...
ORGANIZING!

As an 18 year union member, shop steward, executive board member, and active member, I feel I am qualified to say this without being criticized for being "critical". I love the union (not just mine) and the idea of unionism.

But I feel we have lost our way. We need to re-energize ourselves.

I don't mean to imply that you should go into this as a finger-pointer or critic. We need to get out there and organize. Every local, no matter it's size, should have at least one member dedicated to organizing...and be held accountable. Every international should triple...quadruple their budget for organizing. We should be challenging ourselves everyday to talk to one more person than we did yesterday about the union. Everyone employed by another, not just those in the large corporations, is a potential member.

We have the goods to offer them...wages, healthcare, vacation, safety...we just have to SELL IT.

As long as we continue to ignore those most in need of our representation...janitors, cooks, busboys...because it is not "feasable" to organize them, we will be morally selling ourselves short, and we will continue to be ignored by those less in need of our representation.

Issue it as a challenge, a RALLYING cry.

You are one of the most eloquent writers i have read, I don't know how you are speaking. But they need to hear it.
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 02:59 PM
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18. CWA rejects DRE voting equipment w/o paper trail
An opportunity to get more union involvement in demanding voter verified audit trail for election equipment. This CWA resolution is a good start. Also need to make sure everyone understands that there must be a mandated audit, that just having an audit trail is not good enough. Not sure if the CWA is aware of that.

Anyway, here's the CWA statement (from another forum, can't find a link yet):

For Immediate Release
Chicago, August 25, 2003

The Communications Workers of America (a labor union affiliated with the AFL-CIO) passed the following resolution today at its annual meeting:

In Support of Proper Voting Equipment

Fair and honest elections are necessary if democracy is to flourish in our country. The disastrous election process in 2000 raised serious doubts about the integrity of our elections and prompted the passage of the Help America Vote Act (HAVA). HAVA mandates the upgrading of election machinery in time for the general election in 2006. Current law dictates replacement of the disastrous punch card systems, and mechanical lever machines with computerized vote counting devices.

New vote counting systems include "mark sense" equipment which uses paper ballots counted by scanners and various electronic technologies such as "touch screens" and the "direct recording electronic" system (DRE) that use electronic memory to record votes. The early models of "touch screen" and DRE have no physical record to audit. Without a physical record to audit, it is impossible to discover if the equipment is recording the voter's choice correctly.

DREs and touch screens can be modified with a printer that would produce a paper ballot that the voter could review before the ballot is cast. When the "cast ballot" button is pushed the paper would drop into an internal, sealed container, which could be opened for any subsequent audit.

RESOLVED: That the Communications Workers of America endorse and support the use of only DRE and "touch screen" machines with the ability to provide the voter with a view of a paper ballot that is stored and available for audits.

RESOLVED: The Communications Workers of America will communicate the need for auditable paper ballot trails to the AFL-CIO, its affiliated unions, and other civic minded organizations that the officers of CWA deem appropriate.

Explanation -- This resolution endorses the use of only DRE and touch screen voting systems that provide a voter verified paper ballot. The optical scanning (mark-sense) systems have a paper ballot available for recount, so these are also covered by the resolution.

Contacts -- Lou Gerber (202/434-1315) and Richard Wagner (917/672-9568).
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #18
31. This was an email
and there is no link at the CWA site. But the contact phone numbers are there if anyone wants to confirm this.

We should encourage the AFL-CIO to sponsor an effort to outlaw unauditable election systems and to make sure all elections are audited on both a ramdom and candidate requested sample as a minimum.
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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:02 AM
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58. Ramblin, this is great news! Thanks for posting it. n/t
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 03:27 PM
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19. I would suggest drawing a parallel between how labor overcame
what appeared to be impossible odds in the 19th century, eg Haymarket http://www.kentlaw.edu/ilhs/haymarket.htm to achieve the victories they have won since, and the apparently impossible odds of unseating the Republican junta riding high atop the three branches of government, plus the entire news media. You're just the guy to give this inspirational speech and light a fire under these people to get Dubya out!
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 03:37 PM
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21. I'll have to answer this later this evening
I am peeking in and out today..but will forward some thoughts.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 03:38 PM
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22. time for Unions and Management to get together
to take on the health care industry, namely the HMO's but also we need to regulate drugs and medical appliances.

We spend time arguing about who is going to pick up the cost of inflated insurance and medical costs instead of joining up and tell these to giants that enough is enough, the market is bearing all it will.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 04:37 PM
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24. I suggest you use the word "Republicanism"
to describe the food bank lines, layoffs, union busting, disregard for safety, etc. Go for it. Al
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 04:55 PM
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26. A different idea
Edited on Wed Aug-27-03 04:58 PM by steviet_2003
By no means am I an accomplished writer, but in college one of my english profs stressed to me that I should write about what I know about.

I have had many dealings with union management, designing many facilities for construction union apprentice training programs, union offices and meeting halls. These guys know unions, know what they stand for, know their benefits, know about outsourcing and NAFTA, etc.

You certainly must aknowledge all of that but your bag is politics. While most union people vote Dem, I think that you should pound on them just how damn important it is that they make sure they vote in the next election and that they need to work their asses off for their candidate and their party and get out the vote. Even recite your recent post "I LOVE THESE CANDIDATES." That they are organized labor, a democratic organization made up of common folk, hard workers, everyday joes that make the country tick and that this is supposed to be a democratic country and WE WANT IT BACK, GODDAMNIT!!!! Rile em up, sweep em off their feet with your eloquence, tell em all about the BFEE, the illegal war, the PNAC and the chickenhawks, the stolen election, BBV, your speech to the veterans. Open their eyes and get them talking and wanting to do all they can to get the cabal OUT!!!

If I went to hear a speech by Yo Yo Ma, and he talked about architecture, I would be disappointed. You, Will, are a political activist and writer and a damn fine one at that!!! Use it!!!

(on edit: don't spel to gud sometimes)
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Bluecoller Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 05:08 PM
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27. cheap-labor conservatives

A good topic
cheap-labor conservatives.:evilfrown:

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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 05:11 PM
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29. My partner is a labor lawyer
and if you have specific questions you're welcome to PM me. As for general advice:

Is this labor organization for the manufacturing sector, or the service sector, or both? From my POV, it's sort of 2 different battles: for the manufacturing jobs, the problem is that they are much better than they were thanks to organized labor, but the corporations have gotten around that by simply moving the jobs to third-world nations (or the US equivalent, the "right to work") state. For the service sector, the good news is that they CAN'T move the jobs--but they can and do fight like hell to frustrate organization by outsourcing and plenty of other scurrilous techniques, some legal and some not. Since the service economy is what we appear to be stuck with, it's organizing those workers that will make the difference, and that is a much harder battle. A lot of the union leadership has had trouble adjusting to the shift toward organizing service workers, but they seem to be grappling with it now.

Anyway, the main thing is: this President SUCKS for labor! SUCK SUCK SUCK!! If they carved up workers and ate them for dinner with ketchup it would not be worse than what they're doing now. The day they appointed Elaine Chao, I knew what was coming:

http://www.plaidder.com/chao.htm

Changes in overtime rules--SUCK! Pro-business judicial appointments--SUCK! Curtailing first amendment with serious implications for picketing--SUCK! Health care and lack thereof--serious, deep, lusty, SUCKING! Every single thing this bastard does eventually finds a way to bite workers in the ass.

The health care thing is a real serious issue for the service sector especially. A lot of service workers get stuck without insurance because their employers deduct the premiums and their wages are so low to start with the workers can't afford it. Or, they can't get enough hours in the week for the benefits to kick in. Or, when they try to take their benefits, the company finds an excuse to fire them.

Oh, and how about the abuse of drug-testing? It is now common practice for employers to require you to get drug-tested whenever you go to the hospital for an on-the-job injury, even if it was manifestly the company's fault. Because God forbid they should pay for an injury that THEY caused if it happens to a worker who was smoking pot on his own time two weeks earlier.

ARGH!

Anyway. Good luck, and don't worry, because you have PLENTY of material to work from.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 07:45 PM
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32. I would talk about the sacrifice of brave union men and women
…to secure the 40 hour week. Which Bush and Chao are now undercutting with administrative rules dealing with overtime.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:07 PM
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36. You beat me to it!
I went looking for some links to the mining strikes back in the 60's or 70s and couldn't find them. We need some good documentaries or movies about the history of unions. I'm not sure young people really understand the last 100 years of labor and what they'll be losing if we keep busting unions.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 07:52 PM
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33. Heroes who fought and died for our labor rights
That's what I'd talk about. The historic contribution of labor leaders in creating a decent standard of living for Americans. Without them, workers would have no rights and we can see workers losing rights the more unions are busted.

These people are forgotten heroes and so is their fight.
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flyingfish Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:05 PM
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35. Research the history of labor in this nation
Things such as the 14th amendment being used to make unions illegal in the late 1800s, the Homestead Strike, the Wagner Act, the recent Bush overtime fiasco, the cut in federal union workers' pay increases.
Tell them we cannot forget the history of how labor fought and literally died for the right to organize and for a better life in this nation.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:08 PM
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37. research history
of the union movement, thank them above else,
What I would talk about
the mentioned above and how they are in the words of the U2 song the hands who built America.
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:12 PM
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38. If I were going to give a speech to labor I might say this...
Edited on Wed Aug-27-03 08:24 PM by The Lone Liberal
We come together today to celebrate the working men and women of this country. Those who made the trains to run, tall building to rise and ships to sail. With blood, sweat and their bodies they provided what we see around us today. Yes, the Union men and women have accomplished great and wondrous things. They stripped the bosses of child labor. They said to the bosses that we will have time for ourselves and with their blood bought the forty-hour week. They said we demand our dignity and without regard for their personal safety they stood shoulder to shoulder against the bosses goons and with that solidarity they purchased the right to organize.

Yes, those union heroes of yesterday made a place at the table for the working man and woman. Whether it was teen-age girl in Lowell, Massachusetts striking against the mill owner for better pay, better hours and dignity or the coal miner in the hills of Kentucky striking for safer mines they all looked not selfishly towards what was good for them, but rather they looked towards what was good for the working class.

So today let us remember what those long ago and last week have given for the dignity of the working men and women. Let us also remember that we are living in a time where political forces are gathered against the working man and woman. Not since Hubert Hoover has a president seen such a loss of jobs as has this current President. Not since the FDR has there been such a threat against all that has been gained as there is now in this President. Even the forty-hour week, which we thought secure, is under attack. Like Reagan before him, this President is committed to those who would bust the unions. Never before has a President been as committed to the CEOs whose compensation is growing while the laboring class wages are shrinking. Never before has a President been so committed to those who would escape fair wages, environmental standards and taxes.

This President is committed to looking out for those who have had the best and now want the rest. In 2004 labor must answer this challenge. Jn 2004 labor must remember its heritage. And, in 2004 without labors backing we will send George Bush packing.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:38 PM
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41. Oh, and , Will, you might mention teachers....
:evilfrown:

Ok, I knew you would. :loveya:
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:47 PM
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42. Talk about the assault on overtime pay
If more workers were unionized and the labor movement stronger in the US then no government would have the nerve to mess with such an important rule as who is eligible to be paid overtime.

According to an AFL-CIO alert I received via e mail (and I am not in a union but am on their action alert e mail list) the Senate is poised to take up the proposed rules changes regarding overtime pay beginning next Tuesday, Sept 2. This is the same rules changes that the House of "representatives" voted on on july 10 (you will recall that that friend of the worker, Tricky Dicky Gephardt and six other Democrats couldn't bring themselves to show up to vote and as a result the Repukes won by 213-210)

Please bring up overtime because this is the most important labor issue today. The rules changes WILL undermine the 40 hour work week and mean far less money in the pockets of ALL working Americans.

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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:50 PM
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45. That will do
All the other members of my union I've talked with hate the idea. I know I do, I need that extra money.
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zekeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:55 PM
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46. I find two points particularly poignant in 2003
That would be the history and accomplishments of organized labar and the decline of labor membership in the last decade. We are giving up all our hard fought gains. That has certainly been evident in the recent months with overtime rules being trashed and stats showing that we annually increase our number of working hours. Life should be about working to live, not lving to work - hardly a novel ideal, but true nonetheless.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:43 PM
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48. Bush has waged WAR on labor--fight back!!!
Tell them this: Fight back at the polls and MOBILIZE!!! Labor has a proud history of fighting the tough battles for the American workers, and they are gonna have to step up to the plate again, and this time it might well be do or die.

The rally cry has GOT to be ANYBODY BUT BUSH!! Say it loud and say it frequently. Labor has been a solid pillar of the Democratic party and the Dem party has not always been there in return. Look at the COPE ratings on the candidates (COPE is the Committe On Political Education) Which candidate has the highest ratings and why? I'd not presume to tell anyone how to vote, but be informed... Just as America needed labor in an earlier time, she needs you again. The working men and women built this nation and made it great--We can keep it great if we are organized and mobilized.

As for a good history on the labor movement, go here:

http://www.lutins.org/labor.html

Lutins starts in 1806 and he highlights some of the reasons why union has been so vital in our nation's development. Look at the number who DIED fighting for the right to organize, then think about what this nation would be if they had been willing to sit down and shut up--Those days are coming back if we don't get that ratfuck out of the People's house.

Look at the insult that Elaine Chow-hound (sorry, I can't be polite about her) is to organized labor. She stood there in a room full of labor leaders and started talking about organized crime in the unions... The chimp's LABOR Secretary did this!! She may as well have walked into that room and taken a dump on the floor.

Think about the fact that the attitude today is looking similar to that in the days of the Palmer raids. They have already declared union membership to be a threat to security for the Homeland Security offices--is deportation or arrest of union members THAT far beyond imagination?

If you want to you can rally these guys.


Laura

I'll be thinking of you on Labor Day. I'll be marching wearing my Educate Agitate Organize t-shirt!

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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:45 PM
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54. Yeah, hit on the Sec of Labor
I just googled her, former CEO of parson but I thought that she was a laobor attorney, on the owner's side in a past life.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:26 PM
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57. Those are all outstanding points Laura!
This is a war and if you don't fight back you lose.

Labor are the folks who brought us a 40-hour week with benefits and a weekend.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:08 PM
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49. a couple of substantive rethug anti labor initiatives
Afer campaigning as a friend of the working people chimpy's very first official act as president of the united states was issuing four executive orders that screw unions. I don't remember the substance, but they should be easy to look up.

Your audience will acertainly be aware of the proposed DOL rule to exempt nearly 8 million workers from overtime including nurses andother first responders.

Rank and file members may not be aware that:

Bill Thomas's first order of business when the house comes back is legislation that creates new tax breaks for companies, even companies who send plants overseas. In contrast, Rangel has a substitute that rewards companies only in prorportion to the number of jobs they keep in the US.

Just before the recess, the ways and means committee marked up on party lines a bill that will allow companies to give workers comp time in leiu of overtime with the option of waiting 14 months to award it. In other words, if you work 60 hours this week under the current law, you get 20 hours of time and a half on your next pay check. If the rethugs bill passes your boss will have the option of giving you 20 hours off a year and a month from now. If you change jobs, get laid off, or the company goes out of business before then, guess what: You've just given them 20 hours of your life for free.

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:08 PM
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50. keep it on the emotional if you don't have specific
knowledge. Speak of unity, speak of courage.

Union Maid
A Song by Woody Guthrie
© 1961 Ludlow Music Inc.

There once was a union maid
She never was afraid
Of goons and ginks and company finks
And the deputy sheriffs who made the raid
She went to the union hall
When a meeting it was called
And when the company boys came round
She always stood her ground

<B>Chorus
Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union
I'm sticking to the union,I'm sticking to the union
Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union
I'm sticking to the union till the day I die</B>

This union maid was wise
To the tricks of company spies
She couldn't be fooled by a company stools
She'd always organize the guys
SheÍd always get her way
When she struck for higher pay
She'd show her card to the National Guard
And this is what she'd say

You girls who want to be free
Just take a tip from me
Get you a man who's a union man
And join the Ladies Auxiliary
Married life ain't hard
When you've got a union card
And a union man has a happy life
When he's got a union wife

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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:27 PM
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51. NAFTA
I would explain how to fix NAFTA to make it fair to American workers. It needs to be changed, like Dean has been saying. We are losing good jobs to other countrys and it has to stop, or a blood in the streets revolt is coming to America. The coming election is about jobs and how to get them back.
I would say we need to pass a law where a company can't hire strike breakers if the Union is on strike in a leagle strike. We must make it it easier for unions to organize people. Tell them they were lied to by Bush on going to war and explain it. Explain why the Bush tax cuts were a bad deal for union people. Inform them of how it is so inportant to support the Democrat for President, and congress. Explain that what is won at the barganing table can be lost in the polital wars. They are much smarter then you think, they won't buy bull shit. Good Luck.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:30 PM
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52. Unions Saved America (USA)....
if not for Unions, there is no "American Dream" because the corporations would have us all working under "victorian capitalist" conditions...like they do in Latin America. Thanks NAFTA.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:33 PM
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53. Health care costs.
Negotiations come down to the same point every year; cut benefits, they cost too much. We compromise in every other area and give up ground in many cases to continue health benefits. And they are still being cut in many places. It's a tide taking more and more ground each year.

And..."cheap labor conservatives."
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jfkennedy Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:48 PM
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55. Don't give the speech
Unions are not the unions of the 60s. The Unions of today have become the union busters that were known in the 60s.
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:09 PM
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56. William be sure to mention The National Labor Relations Board
With the lack of funding many case loads are put on the back burner for union workers to have the right to organize, cases of discrimination and labor disputes. It can take years for these cases to be solved and cleared,with a republican adminstration tipping the favorite towards company over union for sure.




http://www.nlrb.gov/
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Adjoran Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:10 AM
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59. You could sing "Joe Hill" too
There are any number of issues and lines, many of which the others have mentioned, which will be guaranteed applause lines if that's what you are looking for.

It doesn't hurt to mention the importance of free labor rights to a successful and free society, since it is Labor Day, but union audiences are used to being target-marketed with pro-labor rhetoric - and it is such a management tactic.

Remember the audience, be they rank-and-file or organizers and execs, are citizens first of all. I think you can speak to them as you would any other group of citizens at a critical time for our country. We all have the same things at stake: our lives, our families, and our jobs.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:29 AM
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62. As long as you get Baez to "cover" you in a DUET!
:loveya:
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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:35 AM
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60. One name--John L. Lewis
Will, when speaking to unions, always mention John L. Lewis, and expect to bring the house down! John L. Lewis, the hero of coal miners and steel workers, everywhere. My God, Will, his speeches sound like yours. He was a fantastic orator, but more than that, he organized the coal miners into unions and brought fair pay and safety standards for the miners. In Appalachia, "John L." is revered as a God. See the links below. "Hear theWords" was his testimony before Congress. Listen to the hero of Appalachia:


Hear the Words


http://www.foothilltech.org/rgeib/am-ex/greatdepression/primary_sources/johnlewisrightsoflabor09-03-37.htm

"No tin-hat brigade of goose-stepping vigilantes or bibble-babbling mob of blackguarding and corporation paid scoundrels will prevent the onward march of labor, or divert its purpose to play its natural and rational part in the development of the economic, political and social life of our nation."

Doesn't that sound like what is happening today? (Tin-hat? Does he mean "tin-foil hat?? (teehee))Well, this speech was given in 1937:

"Labor and the Nation"
by John Lewis

delivered September 3, 1937 in Washington D.C.

Out of the agony and travail of economic America the Committee for Industrial Organization was born. To millions of Americans exploited without stint by corporate industry and socially debased beyond the understanding of the fortunate, its coming was as welcomed as the dawn to the night watcher. To a lesser group of Americans, infinitely more fortunately situated, blessed with larger quantities of the world’s goods and insolent in their assumption of privilege, its coming was heralded as a harbinger of ill, sinister of purpose, of unclean methods and non-virtuous objectives. But the Committee for Industrial Organizations is here. It is now henceforth a definite instrumentality, destined greatly to influence the lives of our people and the internal and external course of the republic.

This is true only because the purposes and objectives of the Committee for Industrial Organization find economic, social, political and moral justification in the hearts of the millions who are its members and the millions more who support it. The organization and constant onward sweep of this movement exemplifies the resentment of the many toward the selfishness, greed and the neglect of the few.

The workers of the nation were tired of waiting for corporate industry to right their economic wrongs, to alleviate their social agony and to grant them their political rights. Despairing of fair treatment, they resolved to do something for themselves. They, therefore, have organized a new labor movement, conceived within the principles of the national bill of rights and committed to the proposition that the workers are free to assemble in their own forums, voice their own grievances, declare their own hopes and contract on even terms with modern industry for the sale of their only material possession -- their labor.

The Committee for Industrial Organization has a numerical enrollment of 3,718,000 members. It has 32 affiliated national and international unions. Of this number 11 unions account for 2,765,000 members. This group is organized in the textile, auto, garment, lumber, rubber, electrical manufacturing, power, steel, coal and transport industries. The remaining membership exists in the maritime, oil production and refining, ship building, leather, chemical, retail, meat packing, vegetable canning, metalliferous mining, miscellaneous manufacturing, agricultural labor, and service and miscellaneous industries. Some 200,000 workers are organized into 507 chartered local unions not yet attached to a national industrial union.

This record bespeaks progress. It is a development without precedent in our own country. Some of this work was accomplished with the enlightened cooperation or the tolerant acquiescence of employers who recognized that a new labor movement was being forged and who were not disposed, in any event, to flout the law of the land. On the other hand, much of this progress was made in the face of violent and deadly opposition which reached its climax in the slaughter of workers paralleling the massacres of Ludlow and Homestead.

In the steel industry the corporations generally have accepted collective bargaining and negotiated wage agreements with the Committee for Industrial Organization. Eighty-five per cent of the industry is thus under contract and a peaceful relationship exits between the management and the workers. Written wage contracts have been negotiated with 399 steel companies covering 510,000 men. One thousand thirty-one local lodges in 700 communities have been organized.

Five of the corporations in the steel industry elected to resist collective bargaining and undertook to destroy the steel workers' union. These companies filled their plants with industrial spies, assembled depots of guns and gas bombs, established barricades, controlled their communities with armed thugs, leased the police power of cities and mobilized the military power of a state to guard them against the intrusion of collective bargaining within their plants.

During this strike 18 steel workers were either shot to death or had their brains clubbed out by police, or armed thugs in the pay of the steel companies. In Chicago, Mayor Kelly's police force was successful in killing ten strikers before they could escape the fury of the police, shooting eight of them in the back. One hundred sixty strikers were maimed and injured by police clubs, riot guns and gas bombs and were hospitalized. Hundreds of strikers were arrested, jailed, treated with brutality while incarcerated and harassed by succeeding litigation. None but strikers were murdered, gassed, injured, jailed or maltreated. No one had to die except the workers who were standing for the right guaranteed them by the Congress and written in the law.

The infamous Governor Davey, of Ohio, successful in the last election because of his reiterated promises of fair treatment to labor, used the military power of the Commonwealth on the side of the Republican Steel Company and the Youngstown Sheet and Tube Company. Nearly half of the staggering military expenditure incident to the crushing of this strike in Ohio was borne by the federal government through the allocation of financial aid to the military establishment of the state.

The steel workers have now buried their dead, while the widows weep and watch their orphaned children become objects of public charity. The murder of these unarmed men has never been publicly rebuked by any authoritative officer of the state or federal government. Some of them, in extenuation, plead lack of jurisdiction, but murder as a crime against the moral code can always be rebuked without regard to the niceties of legalistic jurisdiction by those who profess to be the keepers of the public conscience.

Shortly after Kelly's police force in Chicago had indulged in their bloody orgy, Kelly came to Washington looking for political patronage. That patronage was forthcoming and Kelly must believe that the killing of the strikers is no liability in partisan politics.

Meanwhile, the steel puppet Davey is still Governor of Ohio, but not for long I think - not for long. The people of Ohio may be relied upon to mete our political justice to one who has betrayed his state, outraged the public conscience and besmirched the public honor.

While the men of the steel industry were going through blood and gas in defense of their rights and their homes and their families, elsewhere on the far-flung C.I.O. front the hosts of labor were advancing and intelligent and permanent progress was being made. In scores of industries plant after plant and company after company were negotiating sensible working agreements.

The men in the steel industry who sacrificed their all were nor merely aiding their fellows at home but were adding strength to the cause of their comrades in all industry. Labor was marching toward the goal of industrial democracy and contributing constructively toward a more rational arrangement of our domestic economy.

Labor does not see industrial strife. It wants peace, but a peace with justice. In the long struggle for labor’s rights it has been patient and forbearing. Sabotage and destruction syndicalism have had no part in the American labor movement. Workers have kept faith in American institutions. Most of the conflicts, which have occurred have been when labor’s right to live has been challenged and denied.

If there is to be peace in our industrial life let the employer recognize his obligation to his employees - at least to the degree set forth in existing statutes. Ordinary problems affecting wages, hours, and working conditions, in most instances, will quickly respond to negotiation in the council room.

The United States Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers, and similar groups representing industry and financial interests, are rendering a disservice to the American people in their attempts to frustrate the organization of labor and in their refusal to accept collective bargaining as one of our economic institutions.

These groups are encouraging a systematic organization of vigilante groups to fight unionization under the sham pretext of local interests. They equip these vigilantes with tin hats, wooden clubs, gas masks and lethal weapons and train them in the arts of brutality and oppression. They bring in snoops, finks, hatchet gangs and Chowderhead Cohens to infest their plants and disturb the communities.

Fascist organizations have been launched and financed under the shabby pretext that the C.I.O. movement is communistic. The real breeders of discontent and alien doctrines of government and philosophies subversive of good citizenship are such as these who take the law into their own hands.

No tin-hat brigade of goose-stepping vigilantes or bibble-babbling mob of blackguarding and corporation paid scoundrels will prevent the onward march of labor, or divert its purpose to play its natural and rational part in the development of the economic, political and social life of our nation.

Unionization, as opposed to communism, presupposes the relation of employment; it is based upon the wage system and it recognizes fully and unreservedly the institution of private property and the right to investment profit. It is upon the fuller development of collective bargaining, the wider expansion of the labor movement, the increased influence of labor in our national councils, that the perpetuity of our democratic institutions must largely depend.

The organized workers of America, free in their industrial life, conscious partners in production, secure in their homes and enjoying a decent standard of living, will prove the finest bulwark against the intrusion of alien doctrines of government.

Do those who have hatched this foolish cry of communism in the C.I.O. fear the increased influence of labor in our democracy? Do they fear its influence will be cast on the side of shorter hours, a better system of distributed employment, better homes for the under-privileged, social security for the aged, a fairer distribution of the national income?

Certainly the workers that are being organized want a voice in the determination of these objectives of social justice. Certainly labor wants a fairer share in the national income. Assuredly labor wants a larger participation in increased productive efficiency. Obviously the population is entitled to participate in the fruits of the genius of our men of achievement in the field of the material sciences.

Labor has suffered just as our farm population has suffered from a viciously unequal distribution of the national income. In the exploitation of both classes of workers has been the source of panic and depression, and upon the economic welfare of both rests the best assurance of a sound and permanent prosperity.

In this connection let me call attention to the propaganda which some of our industrialists are carrying on among the farmers. By pamphlets in the milk cans or attached to machinery and in countless other ways of direct and indirect approach, the farmers of the nation are being told that the increased price of farm machinery and farm supplies is due to the rising wage level brought about by the Committee for Industrial Organization. And yet it is the industrial millions of this country who constitute the substantial market for all agricultural products.

The interest of the two groups are mutually dependent. It is when the pay roll goes down that the farmer's realization is diminished, so that his loans become overdue at the bank and the arrival of the tax collector is awaited with fear. On the other hand it is the prosperity of the farmer that quickness the tempo of manufacturing activities and brings buying power to the millions of urban and industrial workers.

As we view the years that have passed this has always been true and it becomes increasingly imperative that the farm population and the millions of workers in industry must learn to combine their strength for the attainment of mutual and desirable objectives and at the same time learn to guard themselves against the sinister propaganda of those who would divide and exploit them.

Under the banner of the Committee for Industrial Organization American labor is on the march. Its objectives today are those it had in the beginning: to strive for the unionization of our unorganized millions of workers and for the acceptance of collective bargaining as a recognized American institution.

It seeks peace with the industrial world. It seeks cooperation and mutuality of effort with the agricultural population. It would avoid strikes. It would have its rights determined under the law by the peaceful negotiations and contract relationships that are supposed to characterize American commercial life.

Until an aroused public opinion demands that employers accept that rule, labor has no recourse but to surrender its rights or struggle for their realization with its own economic power.

The objectives of this movement are not political in a partisan sense. Yet it is true that a political party which seeks the support of labor and makes pledges of good faith to labor must, in equity and good conscience, keep that faith and redeem those pledges.

The spectacle of august and dignified members of Congress, servants of the people and agents of the republic, skulking. in hallways and closets, hiding their faces in a party caucus to prevent a quorum from acting upon a labor measure, is one that emphasizes the perfidy of politicians and blasts the confidence of labor's millions in politician's promises and statesmen's vows.

Labor next year cannot avoid the necessity of a political assay of the work and. deeds of its so-called friends and its political beneficiaries. It must determine who are its friends in the arena of politics as elsewhere. It feels that its cause is just and that its friends should not view its struggle with neutral detachment or intone constant criticism of its activities.

Those who chant their praises of democracy but who lose no chance to drive their knives into labor's defenseless back must feel the weight of labor's woe even as its open adversaries must ever feel the thrust of labor's power.

Labor, like Israel, has many sorrows. Its women weep for their fallen and they lament for the future of the children of the race. It ill behooves one who has supped at labor's table and who has been sheltered in labor's house to curse with equal fervor and fine impartiality both labor and its adversaries when they become locked in deadly embrace.

I repeat that labor seeks peace and guarantees its own loyalty, but the voice of labor, insistent upon its rights, should not be annoying to the ears of justice or offensive to the conscience of the American people.

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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:42 AM
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61. Hear the Words of John L. Lewis:
The link didn't convey in my previous message on John L. Lewis. Hopefully, this one will:

http://www.pbs.org/greatspeeches/timeline/j_lewis_a.html
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dudeness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:32 AM
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63. will..International Labour Solidarity
I would not think any links are required for this topic as the benefits are self explanatory..recent examples would include Maritime Union of Australia and the US longshoremans union.(hope i got that right)..australian construction unions in particular the CFMEU are active worldwide in organising labour in 3rd world countries under the gun from a globalised economy..my own union the united firefighters union of australia is organising and strengthening links worldwide but in particular in our region NZ and south pacific..unions are an international movement..we are the means of production therefore we control it..lets organise and use it..also i believe unions should use financial muscle to oust half baked candidates who prentend to have the interests of workers at heart..maybe union political involvement might fit into your speech as well...good luck ..
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:35 AM
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64. Mother Jones!
John L Lewis! Worldwide Child Labor on the rise! Repubs support sweatshops overseas taking American jobs! US soldier's boots/flags made in RED China! Decline of OSHA, Pay cuts, Overtime Pay deal, Benefit cuts, Enron, World-con and the like stealing pension funds 401ks and Bush not going after them! Repubs Wanting to steal social security funds in the stock market! Bush is a worse union buster than Reagan!
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Aries Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:38 AM
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65. You might tell them why Labor Day is in September...
and not on May 1 like in the rest of the world:

May Day - the Real Labor Day

May 1st, International Workers' Day, commemorates the historic struggle of working people throughout the world, and is recognized in every country except the United States, Canada, and South Africa. This despite the fact that the holiday began in the 1880s in the United States, with the fight for an eight-hour work day.

In 1884, the Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions passed a resolution stating that eight hours would constitute a legal day's work from and after May 1, 1886. The resolution called for a general strike to achieve the goal, since legislative methods had already failed. With workers being forced to work ten, twelve, and fourteen hours a day, rank-and-file support for the eight-hour movement grew rapidly, despite the indifference and hostility of many union leaders. By April 1886, 250,000 workers were involved in the May Day movement...

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...It is not surprising that the state, business leaders, mainstream union officials, and the media would want to hide the true history of May Day, portraying it as a holiday celebrated only in Moscow's Red Square. In its attempt to erase the history and significance of May Day, the United States government declared May 1st to be "Law Day", and gave us instead Labor Day - a holiday devoid of any historical significance other than its importance as a day to swill beer and sit in traffic jams...."



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really-looney Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:40 AM
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70. Look for Boston Globe article
Will Look for the Boston Globe article on this. It was in the paper last week.
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