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dean4america Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 06:40 PM
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Lieberman flat-out LIED about Dean's position on guns yesterday
Edited on Wed Aug-27-03 06:43 PM by dean4america
On Hardball with Chris Matthews today (MSNBC), a clip was played from yesterday in which Lieberman said (paraphrase, but close):

"Ya know, nobody has asked why Dean is so pro gun. He's PROBABLY AGAINST THE BRADY BILL, AGAINST THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN, and that is wrong.'

Um, Joe, does anyone in your sorry campaing even bother with Opposition Research? It took me about 3 seconds to find these pieces of information STRAIGHT FROM THE DEANFORAMERICA.COM WEBSITE:

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http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5987

"DEAN CRITICIZES GOP PLANS TO LET ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN EXPIRE"

Wednesday May 14, 2003
By: Communications Office

Calls on President Bush to "Keep His Word" (May 14, 2003)

BURLINGTON, VT--In the wake of an announcement by Congressional Republicans that they plan to allow the federal ban on assault weapons to expire, presidential candidate Governor Howard Dean (D-VT) today called on President Bush to "keep his word" and fight to reauthorize the ban on deadly semi-automatic weapons. Dean says there is no legitimate sporting purpose for assault weapons.

"Sportsmen know they don't need an Uzi to hunt deer," said Dean. "These weapons are not favored by sportsmen. They are favored by criminals and terrorists, and we need to keep them off our streets.

Bush has stated his support for reauthorizing the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, which is due to expire in September. Dean urged the President to put pressure on members of his party in Congress. "The true measure of leadership is standing up to your friends when they are wrong," said Dean. "President Bush should use the power of the presidency to urge his fellow Republicans to do the right thing, protect American lives, and extend the assault weapons ban."

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And, let's see, what else was I able to find:

http://deanforamerica.com

"I believe the federal gun laws we have—like the Brady Bill—are important, and I would veto any attempt to repeal or gut them. The Assault Weapons Ban expires next year, and it should be renewed. Although President Bush has claimed he supports renewing it, he is talking out both sides of his mouth; his staff has signaled that he doesn’t want or expect Congress to renew the ban, and that is wrong.

I don’t think we need a lot of new federal laws. But we do need to do a few things at the federal level, like requiring Insta-Check on all retail and gun show sales. We also must do a better job of enforcing the laws on the books."

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Oh, and wait, it's also in Spanish, too, Senator Lieberman:

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=about_issues_guns_spanish

reo que debemos mantener y imponer las leyes federales de armas que existen ­inclusive la prohibición de armas de asalto y la Ley de Brady ­ y cerrar la escapatoria de las exposiciones de armas usando "Insta-check" y entonces permitir que los estados deciden para sí mismos las leyes adicionales del control de armas. Según resistimos los intentos del Presidente Bush para dictar a los estados cómo controlamos nuestros sistemas escolares y qué clase de programas de asistencia social tenemos, también necesitamos resistir los intentos del Presidente ha decirnos cómo manejar las leyes del control de armas, fuera de la ley federal.

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If you are going to attach a candidate's position, at least know wtf it is first.

(Note: sorry about the caps, but this is just a bullshit attempt by Joe to get attention.)

EDIT: wrong web address listed. changed.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 06:42 PM
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1. And here I thought
And here I thought Lieberman was attacking us because we're too liberal. Feh.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 06:43 PM
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2. Joe is not as bad as he seems - but he should quit now
He brings nothing to the table.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:40 PM
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9. That's true. He's not as bad as he seems. He's worse.
Holy Joe is going down in flames, thankfully, and we won't have to listen to his gargling much longer.

He can snipe at Dean once he's in the WH. I'm sure Faux will give him a full-time slot to bash dems.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 06:44 PM
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3. Lieberman - Another reason why
progressives should leave the party and go independent
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dean4america Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 06:46 PM
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4. or
Lieberman can just switch parties now :)
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:33 PM
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8. thats why I support Kucinich
He knows we spend way too much on defense. I thought Lieberman thought Dean was too liberal to win, odd? I dont like that Joe, bad decision for VP Al.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:47 PM
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12. wait until the reactionaries
come to extol the redeeming virtues of Joseph Lieberman. Frankly, with the help of politicians like him, people are having a hard time going down the polling booth.....

Centrism is a bullshit idea anyway.

Grover Norquist is kinda right. Bipartisanship is date rape since most of the time it's the democrats getting the ass pounding.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:49 PM
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16. I cant stand Lieberman
Its not just the war either, so much more. your little diagram is why I support Kucinich, we have so much junk in DoD, and if we can cut it, we can do much to help the world.
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ThorsteinVeblen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:25 PM
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5. Lieberman Lie?! Inconceivable!
"I do not think that word means what you think it means"
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:30 PM
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6. Desperate people do desperate mistakes!.....
Jo-Jo?.....You ain't nothing but a yo-yo!


Al Gore knows who stabbed him in the back now!
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:32 PM
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7. Keep sinking, Joe!
Lower, and lower, and lower...

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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:43 PM
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10. I agree that Joe's wrong on this, but considering all the lies Dean
and his supporters tell about Lieberman, I find it hard to get worked up over this.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:45 PM
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11. Nobody has to lie about Lieberman
He's doing plenty of damage to himself.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:48 PM
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14. one biggest truth though, lieberman's message for getting elected is no
difference ideologically than bush.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:48 PM
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15. lieberman Is a Lying Bastard!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:47 PM
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13. Joe , the sly politician that he is, didn't directly accuse Dr. Dean
of being "wrong" on the Brady Bill etc. He intentionally framed his statement to make it appear Dean was on the wrong side of the issue.

Too bad Joe wasn't as crafty in taking Enron pirates to task when he DID have the goods on them during the senate hearings.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:50 PM
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18. yeah! joe isn't nearly as crafty as he thinks he is!
he's going to crafty himself right outta here!
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:49 PM
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17. So when Lieberman says something
inaccurate it's a flat out lie, but when Dean does the same thing he "misspoke". Uh huh.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:50 PM
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19. That's right!
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:56 PM
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20. LIEberman is desperate
he knows hes toast...I find it humourous that he actually thought anyone would listen him

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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:38 PM
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21. Nice picture!!! hahahaha n/t

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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:08 PM
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22. Wonder why liberman is helping Dean???

Anti-gun zealotry is losing issue in America. To paint Dean as Pro gun will do nothing but help him.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:18 AM
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23. Earth to JOE::: Give it up already, You HAD your day in the sun
Come, time to rest, the sun is too strong. Come into the shade. Have some iced tea. Put you feet up.

Close your eyes.
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