DEAN HATES DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!! DEAN HATES DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!

[FuriousMNDem]

"We have made a fundamental miscalculation in Washington on how to beat this president,” said Dean. “We lost two senators and we almost lost a third one in this past election because their platform was ‘I voted with the president 85 percent of the time.’

<SNIP>
“Bill Clinton said about four months ago that the American people will always vote for someone who is strong and wrong before they will vote for someone who is weak and right.

“We appear to be weak and right because we will say whatever it takes to win. And once you are willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose.”

http://timesargus.nybor.com/Regional_News/Story/63132.html

Is Howard Dean a liar or what?

[LeftCoast]

1. Karl Rove thanks you!

I see you got his blast fax...

[dorktv]

41. that picture of yours reminds me of the movie They.

They was a movie about aliens who took over planet Earth and used submininal messages to control us. Spongebob Squarepants uses it too.

[GCP]

2. Where is he lying?

Is this deliberate flame-bait or what?

[MissouriTeacher]

7. I am confused as well.

:shrug:

[Andy_Stephenson]

8. Flame Shields UP

maximum

[mandyky]

13. LOL

Ddon't forget your flame retardant undies!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

36. LMF'nAO

Edited to make sense.

[UrbScotty]

3. Two words: CHILL OUT!!!!!!!!

:sigh:

[bowens43]

4. Huh?

Your post makes no sense.

[papau]

5. Dean does speak the truth!

Dean urges Democrats to stand for something
April 2, 2003

By CHRISTOPHER GRAFF The Associated Press

NEW YORK — The Democratic Party is doomed to defeat in next year’s presidential election unless it clearly defines its differences with Republicans and is not afraid to trumpet them, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean said Tuesday.


:-)

But then Kerry, etc also speak truth....


Anyone but Bush!

:-)

[Maple]

9. What is all this crap?

Are you afraid to win, or what??

[hippiegranny]

you are so angry

you don't even make sense.

[Systematic Chaos]

6. Um, sorry but I don't see anything

in your post or the article you linked to that would cause me to construe Dean as a liar.

What exactly are you referring to?

[mandyky]

10. Old news - April 2, 2003

He said it, and it's not a lie (that when he was still using Bush Lite a lot). It was over the Iraq war and tax cuts the Dems did not oppose.

[gully]

11. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

:boring:

[joefree1]

12. Love you man

The flame post didn't work, Love and hugs. Dean for President.

[alcuno]

14. Americans, when left with the choice between a fascist and a

coward, will pick the fascist every time. Americans need another option. I'm starting to think that Dean is the one.

Gephardt lost me when he made that deal with the WH on the Iraq resolution and went into the Rose Garden to announce it. Cowards ought to stay in the Congress.

[aquart]

19. You know what? I don't want cowards in Congress, either.

That place needs to be swept with a broom.

[diamondsoul]

48. Ah, jeez, don't let a Freeper make your choice.

Seriously this fool was hoping to start a flame-fest, and it didn't even think about Gep, IF it's even a Gep supporter. (I doubt it myself.)

Screw the Freepers and professional trouble-makers, let's just get rid of Shrub, eh?!

[gully]

15. Hey if it's any consolation, I think Gep is gonna be Deans pick for VP?

Just some stuff I've heard....

[AWD]

16. As the original....

As the original "Angry" DUer, I've gotta say this.

You're ruining the name.

You're no longer angry....you're insane and spinning so fast you've stopped making sense.

[roughsatori]

17. What are you trying to say?

You end with a question to us, but it is clearly accusatory and confused.

[Sean Reynolds]

18. Riiiiiiight

Someone has lost it.

[MGKrebs]

20. !! HOWARD DEAN ACTUALLY HAS A CHANCE TO WIN!!!

PNAC gets to continue programs!
Dean working on golf swing!
No chance of expanded health care!
Invasion of Pakistan "a done deal"!
Economic crash to continue!
Priveleged class has no worries!

/sarcasm

Dean- $10Mil this quarter. Average donation= approx. $60.

10mil/ 60= 167,000 people. Have we all been duped? Is Dean a Rove puppet? Will any Dem candidate who is doing well get crushed by the pavlovian "fear of winning" crowd? Do we LIKE being on the outside, throwing "bombs" from the cheap seats?

Good luck to Kerry, Gephardt, Kucinich, Sharpton, Braun, Edwards, and Graham. And good luck to Clark too. I hope they hit their stride soon and show that they can kick Bush's ass. And congratulations in advance to any of them that becomes the front runner.

[LeftCoast]

21. MGKrebs - THANK YOU!

Excellent post!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

37. Me, too.

[Room101]

22. Do you even know what you posted? LOL

I don't get it?

[rucky]

23. My New Flame-Post Policy

...Which I am breaking right now in order to announce my new flame-post policy.

If the poster - in this case AngryMNDem - does not defend his accusations after three posts to the thread, then I will not post to that thread, thus helping the much-needed effort to sink posts like this one into DU obvlion.

Just a suggestion for the next "temporary guidelines" experiment... anybody with me?

[ThorsteinVeblen]

24. "once you are willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose.”

Something those that support Gephardt, Kerry and Lieberman don't understand.

[dolstein]

25. Howard Dean is a lying bastard

Sorry, but if Dean believes Max Cleland, Jean Carnahan and Jeanne Shaheen lost their Senate races because they failed to turn their races into a referendum on George Bush, he's even dumber than I thought he was. Either that or he's a lying bastard who has no qualms about dumping on his fellow Democrats to score a few cheap political points.

The fact is that Georgia, New Hampshire and Missouri aren't nearly as liberal and Democratic as Vermont is. And in 2002, Bush was far more popular than either of the candidates running for senate. Making the election about George Bush wouldn't have helped these people, not when Bush's approval ratings were in 70's.

[dsc]

29. He was popular

his policies weren't. There is a difference last time I checked.

[dolstein]

33. Again, we're talking about Missouri, Georgia and New Hampshire

Dean seems to be saying that the Democratic candidates lost these races because they didn't spend their time attacking George Bush. Personally, I think Jeanne Shaheen knows a hell of a lot more about what it takes to get elected in the state of New Hampshire than Howard Dean does. She was elected governor twice. She is one of only four Democrats to have been elected governor of New Hampshire. And I really don't think Howard Dean is in a position to lecture Max Cleland about what it takes to win in Georgia. Ditto for Jean Carnahan in Missouri.

All three of these races would have been tough, competitive races even if Bush's popularity ratings were in the gutter. Now Dean either understands this and is simply lying to score some cheap political points, or his an igorant bastard.

[WillyT]

35. Gee Dolstein, This Has Really Got Ya Riled, Huh ???

So, when Lieberman says that if the Dems move to the left, they deserve to lose, that's... what... exactly???

Brilliant political analysis???

Or...

The death throws of a dying campaign???

:shrug:

[Forkboy]

52. Dolstein is rapidly becoming

the funniest poster on DU.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

57. Interesting point...

I interperet Dean's remarks that the entire Democratic party failed to work together as a coordinated opposition during the run-up to the election. So what the public saw was a bunch of people who didn't stand for anything.

...and that is a surefire way to loose an election.

- C.D.

[Cha]

34. lieberman Is Lying Bastard!

[last1standing]

44. At least two of those you mentioned...

ran campaigns talking about how much they had worked with bush*, Cleland and Carnahan. While I wish all three were still in the senate, they dug their own graves by not telling us how they differed from repubs. That really makes your point rather moot, doesn't it?

last1standing.

[IndianaGreen]

53. Poor dolstein, your boy Lieberman is sinking faster than the Titanic

and nothing you do or say can save Holy Joe's ass. One thing that is 100-percent certain about this election campaign is that Joe Lieberman will not be the Democratic nominee.

Boo Hoo! Sniff, sniff!

[Classical_Liberal]

59. If you think a dem can win in any of those states without

attacking republicans you aint so bright either.

[mandyky]

26. Lies and the lying liars that tell them

unfair and unbalanced

[diamondsoul]

27. ROTFLMAO boy do you have comprehension problems!

The clear implication is that Howard Dean will not lie about the realities. Whether you agree with that or not you only make yourself appear the fool by trying to change what is clearly visible to anyone who reads the quotes in context.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

39. If you didn't have me on ignore...

I'd say "Nice post."

Aw, what the fuck..."Nice post."

[diamondsoul]

42. Thank you, RUMMY.

And how did you kow I had you on ignore anyway? It's been a few days now and I don't remember whether I said I was adding you. (blush)

Anyway, I took you and a few others off it today. You in particular I agree with a lot of the time. After a while the Kucinich slamming gets to me and I just make those involved disappear for a while, at least until I know I can be civil.

IOW, you're all right most of the time, you just happened to piss me off once. }(

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

45. Glad to hear it.

Even idiots like me can make a salient point once in a while. :D

[diamondsoul]

46. WOOOHOOO!

Looks like the only thing this twitiot has managed to do is bring Dems together! Now THIS is cool! :toast:

[ShaneGR]

28. I think he is right, we need to stand up for our beliefs

This willy nilly crap hasn't worked and we can do it this way. Less than 50% of the american population votes. If we give even 5% more a reason to vote then we will win in a landslide.

[MODemocrat]

30. Howard Dean would love to see this

If only I knew how to forward this to Dean, I'd do it in a New York minute. Are you trying to help Bush in putting this on the DU Board?

[dpbrown]

31. Dean is speaking the truth here

Most people want to vote for an opposition candidate. Even Clinton did better when he stood up to the DLC. Gore did better when he acted like a populist. The nation is ready to vote for a populist.

A platform of ‘I voted with the president 85 percent of the time’ will make this election harder to win (although with the direction the polls are going regarding Captain Unelected and his re-elect numbers, it'll be hard to lose for whomever is the candidate).

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[JohnKleeb]

32. exactly Dan

Explains why we support Kucinich, no? of course I got other reasons but he's outspoken and a sharp contrast, and speaks like me at times.

[bitchkitty]

38. Silly rabbit.

;)

Dean is going to be our next elected President. Show some respect, or at least start making sense.

[shanti]

40. aren't you coming back to play?

typical flame bait....*plonk*

[quinnox]

43. I can't decide which thread is dumber

This one, or the one entitled "Prediction: Kerry will drop out soon"

And what's funny, is these kinds of threads always seem to get tons of replies.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

47. I agree.

What are you and me doing in this stupid thread. Let's bail.

[diamondsoul]

51. It is freakish how people fall for this stuff.

For myself, I've got a new policy. I don't give a sh*t which candidate it's about, every flame-fest seeder gets a positive rebuttal from me. Even if I agree with the main point of the seeder, I'm making it my mission to keep it positive- i.e., whether I agree or not, that's the candidate's position and it's based on their sense of decency and justice. Not a damned thing wrong with that.

[zekeson]

49. Must be the heat

Minnesota has been unseasonably warm this week. Hasn't rained in a month. Good an explanation as any....

[rustydog]

50. Truth hurts

most of the Democrats ran as Bush lite and it bit them in the ass.
Dean is only pointing out the obvious...tellt he truth, even if it hurts and stand up for what you believe in.
If that is HATING DEMOCRATS, I'll take the Democrat-hater any day!

[Kool Kitty]

54. Oh, dear.

It's obviously not the heat, it's the stupidity.

[mndemocrat_29]

55. This makes no sense.

n/t

[opihimoimoi]

56. Dean is gonna kick ass

[0rganism]

58. MASTERFUL TROLL!!!!!! MASTERFUL TROLL!!!!!!!!

*applause*

[Paragon]

60. This thread is locked

Please don't feed the trolls.

[Skinner]

61. This is flame bait.

I am locking.

Skinner
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