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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:01 PM
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Dennis Kucinich, this liberal won't ever forget what you have given us..
Edited on Wed Aug-27-03 10:09 PM by TruthIsAll
You were the first voice crying in the wilderness soon after 9/11, asking the questions that were being asked only by us original ten-percenters, while the media raised the scoundrel Bush to the heavens.

I remember the theme of that first speech of yours, though I don't remember the details. I was truly astounded that one of our representatives had finally spoken what was in our hearts and minds. That speech told us what true patriotism was all about; it was a clarion call, a warning, with reverence for the truth and for fairness which appeared at that time no longer fashionable.

How far down were we then, America, that I would find myself surprised that words of outrage had finally been uttered by one of our leaders? You were the FIRST politician to shine the light on the Bush 9/11 coverup and his comcomitant assault on our freedoms.

And you are at it again, by being the FIRST candidate to recognize that the greatest threat of all exists in those Black Boxes of Voting Deceit, the ones which have already poisoned our democratic elections and are poised to do so on a massive scale in 2004. For there is no way in hell that Bush will ever win a fair election.

Dennis, YOU are the voice of our collective conscious; you have remained true to your liberal sense of logic, compassion and fairness. All the other candidates have equivocated in one way or another on the issues of war and peace; only you have been consistent. And if your changing views on abortion have brought you criticism, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. As a true liberal, you are open-minded enough to challenge your traditional Catholicism, just as JFK did in 1960.

Dennis, whether you or not you are nominated, it doesn't matter. In the end, history will add your name to those heroes in JFK's "Profiles in Courage". You are already a winner. You paved the way. And we should all be greatful.

http://www.opednews.com/voting.htm
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:03 PM
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1. Thank you truthisall
:) but I am about to wipe a tear from my eye.
Thanks again
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:59 PM
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38. Yes, thank you!
:)
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:13 PM
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2. Very nice truth, TruthIs All.

Dennis gives me hope for this country.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:16 PM
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3. Doh!
"whether you win are nominated or not, it doesn't matter"???

:)

I agree he's given us a ton and I'm forever greatful, but I'd rather have him be President than have a Chapter in "Profiles in Courage 2".

:) :) :)

Go Dennis!!!

david

Kucinich 2004

Arianna YES
Recall No
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:33 PM
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4. I agree. And always add
that Dennis Kucinich will go down in history as one of the greatest congressmen in modern political history and a true patriot.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:47 AM
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34. Greatest congressman?
Why not greatest vice president?
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:10 PM
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40. nah he will be the greatest president says I
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:37 PM
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5. Dennis speaks to the heart of democrats
Wish he was the front runner instead of the under dog.

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:37 PM
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6. :) you made my day
:) dont worry robb someday he will be.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:25 AM
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31. It's his position as underdog that makes his voice so powerful.
Right now hope is the underdog. The average citizen is the underdog. Put your voice and your vote where your heart is, and we'll prevail.

"There's no need to fear. Underdog is here!"
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:37 PM
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7. Good Post, KICK NT
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fabius Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:44 PM
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8. Dennis it s true patriot!
And a real FDR Democrat. Even Dean isn't really that.

If he doesn't get the nomination this time there is still 2012. (Or God forbid 2008). Same for Edwards whom I kind of like.

Still, I'm for Dean because of the straight talk and the brilliant organization.
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hedgetrimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:53 PM
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17. "straight talk" and "brilliant organization"
straight talk is lies, do the research

vermont works on a grass roots bases, that is what dean knows, that is how the whole state operates including the repugs... vermont is a great organizing state....



i am sick... dean is a second rate sorry ass candidate who makes "me" feel soooo good... there is only one candidate who will make you a real patriot, there is only one candidate that will make you the government you always wanted and were told you have...
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:50 PM
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9. A Prayer for America
A Prayer for America
Southern California Americans for Democratic Action
February 17, 2002 - Los Angeles, CA

(excerpt)

Let us pray that our nation's leaders will not be overcome with fear. Because today there is great fear in our great Capitol. And this must be understood before we can ask about the shortcomings of Congress in the current environment. The great fear began when we had to evacuate the Capitol on September 11. It continued when we had to leave the Capitol again when a bomb scare occurred as members were pressing the CIA during a secret briefing. It continued when we abandoned Washington when anthrax, possibly from a government lab, arrived in the mail. It continued when the Attorney General declared a nationwide terror alert and then the Administration brought the destructive Patriot Bill to the floor of the House. It continued in the release of the Bin Laden tapes at the same time the President was announcing the withdrawal from the ABM treaty. It remains present in the cordoning off of the Capitol. It is present in the camouflaged armed national guardsmen who greet members of Congress each day we enter the Capitol campus. It is present in the labyrinth of concrete barriers through which we must pass each time we go to vote. The trappings of a state of siege trap us in a state of fear, ill equipped to deal with the Patriot Games, the Mind Games, the War Games of an unelected President and his unelected Vice President.

Let us pray that our country will stop this war. "To promote the common defense" is one of the formational principles of America. Our Congress gave the President the ability to respond to the tragedy of September the Eleventh. We licensed a response to those who helped bring the terror of September the Eleventh. But we the people and our elected representatives must reserve the right to measure the response, to proportion the response, to challenge the response, and to correct the response.

Because we did not authorize the invasion of Iraq.
We did not authorize the invasion of Iran.
We did not authorize the invasion of North Korea.
We did not authorize the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan.
We did not authorize permanent detainees in Guantanamo Bay.
We did not authorize the withdrawal from the Geneva Convention.
We did not authorize military tribunals suspending due process and habeas corpus.
We did not authorize assassination squads.
We did not authorize the resurrection of COINTELPRO.
We did not authorize the repeal of the Bill of Rights.
We did not authorize the revocation of the Constitution.
We did not authorize national identity cards.
We did not authorize the eye of Big Brother to peer from cameras throughout our cities.
We did not authorize an eye for an eye.
Nor did we ask that the blood of innocent people, who perished on September 11, be avenged with the blood of innocent villagers in Afghanistan.
We did not authorize the administration to wage war anytime, anywhere, anyhow it pleases.
We did not authorize war without end.
We did not authorize a permanent war economy.

Yet we are upon the threshold of a permanent war economy. The President has requested a $45.6 billion increase in military spending. All defense-related programs will cost close to $400 billion. Consider that the Department of Defense has never passed an independent audit. Consider that the Inspector General has notified Congress that the Pentagon cannot properly account for $1.2 trillion in transactions. Consider that in recent years the Dept. of Defense could not match $22 billion worth of expenditures to the items it purchased, wrote off, as lost, billions of dollars worth of in-transit inventory and stored nearly $30 billion worth of spare parts it did not need.

Yet the defense budget grows with more money for weapons systems to fight a cold war which ended, weapon systems in search of new enemies to create new wars. This has nothing to do with fighting terror. This has everything to do with fueling a military industrial machine with the treasure of our nation, risking the future of our nation, risking democracy itself with the militarization of thought which follows the militarization of the budget.

Let us pray for our children. Our children deserve a world without end. Not a war without end. Our children deserve a world free of the terror of hunger, free of the terror of poor health care, free of the terror of homelessness, free of the terror of ignorance, free of the terror of hopelessness, free of the terror of policies which are committed to a world view which is not appropriate for the survival of a free people, not appropriate for the survival of democratic values, not appropriate for the survival of our nation, and not appropriate for the survival of the world.

Let us pray that we have the courage and the will as a people and as a nation to shore ourselves up, to reclaim from the ruins of September the Eleventh our democratic traditions. Let us declare our love for democracy. Let us declare our intent for peace. Let us work to make nonviolence an organizing principle in our own society. Let us recommit ourselves to the slow and painstaking work of statecraft, which sees peace, not war as being inevitable. Let us work for a world where someday war becomes archaic.

(clip)

Let us pray that we have the courage to replace the images of death which haunt us, the layers of images of September the Eleventh, faded into images of patriotism, spliced into images of military mobilization, jump cut into images of our secular celebrations of the World Series, New Year's Eve, the Superbowl, the Olympics, the strobic flashes which touch our deepest fears, let us replace those images with the work of human relations, reaching out to people, helping our own citizens here at home, lifting the plight of the poor everywhere. That is the America which has the ability to rally the support of the world. That is the America which stands not in pursuit of an axis of evil, but which is itself at the axis of hope and faith and peace and freedom.

America, America. God shed grace on thee. Crown thy good, America. Not with weapons of mass destruction. Not with invocations of an axis of evil. Not through breaking international treaties. Not through establishing America as king of a unipolar world. Crown thy good America.

America, America. Let us pray for our country. Let us love our country. Let us defend our country not only from the threats without but from the threats within. Crown thy good, America. Crown thy good with brotherhood, and sisterhood. And crown thy good with compassion and restraint and forbearance and a commitment to peace, to democracy, to economic justice here at home and throughout the world. Crown thy good, America. Crown thy good America. Crown thy good.

Thank you
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dudeness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:58 PM
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19. bravo..
n/t
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:50 PM
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10. Kucinich was one of the rare voices against NATO catastrophe in Yugo
Edited on Wed Aug-27-03 10:52 PM by Tinoire
May we have the honor, the blessing of having such a man as President!
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<snip>

Yet NATO is now engaged in a bombing campaign in which the destruction of the civilian infrastructure of Yugoslavia has become part of the strategy to end the war on Kosovo. We say our quarrel is with President Slobodan Milosevic and his army, yet instead of doing all that we can to directly confront that military we are bringing down terror on the Serbian people. What has this bombing accomplished? It has not stopped the ethnic cleansing or the grim procession of hundreds of thousands of refugees.

So I must challenge NATO's justification for its military campaign against civilians -- before we destroy all the bridges in Belgrade and Novi Sad; before we obliterate the power plants, water systems, roads and telecommunications centers that serve civilian populations; before we begin hearing the the phrase "collateral damage" routinely. Otherwise, NATO's actions will destabilize the region for decades to come.

<snip>

Civilians always pay the heaviest price -- and in this case it is not just the Serbs who are suffering. This week's bombing campaign has added to the devastation of Pristina, the capital city of the people we are trying to help.

Americans will pay a price, too. If we continue to support NATO bombing, we will have muddied our ethics and tarnished our reputation for defending those who live under dictatorships. W e need to rethink not only the manner in which we wage war, but also the manner in which we manage conflict and keep the peace. We must demonstrate that we know the difference between a legal and just humanitarian intervention on behalf of a civilian population and an illegal and unjust military intervention against civilians. Otherwise, we will have bombed the village in order to save it, and created a war in the name of ending one.

http://www.diaspora-net.org/food4thought/kucinich.htm
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Did We Have To Bomb Serbia? Analyst, Congressman: “No”

by Alice Cherbonnier

DID NATO have to bomb Serbia to end the violence in Kosovo? Has the bombing accomplished its goals?
Seth Ackerman, a representative of the nonprofit New York City-based media watchdog organization called Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), and Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), both believe the bombing was an ill-advised power play that not only hasn’t brought peace to Kosovo, but may have been a violation of U.S. war powers.

<snip>

He recounted his mounting realization that the Kosovo situation did not merit bombing Serbia. “It was like a fog settled over Washington,” he said. “I saw many go along with the idea of war because conditions seemed to be out of control. ‘Seem’ is the operative word.”
Once the idea of war took hold in Congress, things happened fast. In that haste, Kucinich said, “There was no action in Congress that made it legal. When ‘group think’ takes over, look out.”
Answers to his questions on the Balkans were hard to come by. “I saw a real danger that the escalation of hostilities could have triggered a war with Russia,” which opposed NATO’s involvement. He wrote an op-ed piece, “Why Bomb Belgrade?,” that was published in The New York Times. That propelled him to leadership in the growing opposition.

<snip>

http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/serbia_nov99.html

More here: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Kucinich+Kosovo
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:53 PM
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11. Thank you TruthIsAll, for that beautiful post! n/t
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:02 PM
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12. "You are already a winner."
Exactly! Dennis Kucinich has ALWAYS been a winner, even in the face of apparent defeat. We are all winners for his very existence, his voice is just a reminder of that.
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leftbend Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:07 PM
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13. Thanks for the truth
Thanks for the truth, TruthIsAll, The truth of Dennis gives me hope and let's me dream that our country may be well again someday. I could be proud to be a citizen of a country that would elect Dennis Kucinich president.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:19 AM
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30. Hi leftbend!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:10 PM
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14. He isn't toast folks
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LogicTrueFalse Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:44 PM
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15. President Dennis Kucinich has a nice ring
Will anyone listen?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:27 AM
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32. "Here is a man who needs to be listened to."
With a message that desperately needs to be heard.
-Hector Elizondo

America listens, hope wins out over despair.
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JasonBerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:45 PM
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16. Well Said, TruthIsAll !!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:55 PM
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18. Dennis wa sdefinitely an outspoken 10 percenter
at a time when no other national voice spoke out.

Yet another reason to support Kucinich.
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Ein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:00 AM
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20. If the Democratic Party is 'liberal'
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 12:06 AM by Ein
then they would support Kucinich or another liberal candidate. More and more, I see they are not really liberal.

Too bad.

"In a two-party system, if both parties ignore public opinion, there is no place voters can turn." - Howard Zinn, A People's History of the United States, pg. 581
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:16 AM
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21. Just think
Of what life would be like in the USA with Kucinich as Pres. and a Congress that agrees with him.........man, it would be too good to be true.

It would be a Golden Age for America and the world.
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Ein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:38 AM
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22. Yes
We could end the horrible precendent set before. And have a real option to make the world a better place.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:54 AM
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23. Check out New Zealand if you want to see what the U.S. COULD
be like under Kucinich! Check out 'Green Plans' and FSTV has a documentary on it as well!

As Dennis said, 'He is with us for life!'

It nags at me about Dean becoming such a firestorm so soon, but I'm hoping and thinking that maybe, just maybe something else is in the offing and I'm holding my breath because KUCINICH is our tusnami2win!

I think Kucinich supporters aren't as 'out there', but more the silent types and it might just be that he slips in under the wire from out of left field...supported by many who keep their opinions to themselves!

I would love nothing else than to have Kucinich as president...as John Lennon sang ....

"IMAGINE"IMAGINE"IMAGINE"IMAGINE"IMAGINE"IMAGINE"IMAGINE"IMAGINE"
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:54 AM
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24. President Kucinich...sounds like music to my heart
and there is months to go before the primaries....

He is now second on Meetup members and the college kids are just starting back.....

....the campaign will continue to pickup for Dennis....the truth WILL prevail...

....and Dennis speaks the TRUTH from his heart.

You got it right,TruthisAll :) Great thread!!

Peace
DR
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:53 AM
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26. We heard it didn't we?
Man that was great "President Kucinich"...I almost died, I swear my heart skipped a beat or two!:thumbsup: :beer: :toast: :party:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:56 AM
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27. You know diamond
A lot of the great men of history are known by their intials you have MLK, RFK, and JFK and we got DK. Concidence maybe so :) and FDR too and LBJ. President Kucinich this is what the nation needs, we need not to be afraid as Dennis tells us, hes a couragous fighter he is, and he's been fighting injustices for a while.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:37 AM
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25. Thanks again everyone
Morale boosters we need em. I tell you this, I cant wait to win. Its gonna be a tough road ahead guys but damnit we can do this. We are supporting DK from the heart and guys thats what it is all about. We see the problems of the world and want to truly reform them, call us idealists cynics but you must understand our inspiration in a man, who has such great courage and loves the people of the world. That said I am gonna enjoy him as president.
Kucinich in 2004
Dennis J Kucinich, the embodiment of RFK's ripple of hope. We must do this, the eyes of the world are on us, we shall prevail in the end. Dennis will be remembered even if he isnt president in a favorable light. Remember this is about whats right.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 04:14 AM
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28. Thank you so much TruthIsAll....Kucinich not only inspires our minds, but
our hearts as well.

I remember the day I first heard Kucinich's Prayer for America. The country had gone silent and numb from fear. Not fear of terrorists, but fear generated by the Bush regime to silence this country's voice of outrage and dissent. Kucinich was the light in these darkest of times.....what more can we ask but that our leaders step forward with courage in such grave times to LEAD us out of darkness?
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:35 AM
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29. I think that if we work hard
as in as hard as the Rs did throughout the 90's we too could move the country in the direction that would make a serious liberal (like Kucinich) prez.

We have a lot of groundwork to do first. Patience and determination (and maybe a dash of willingness to compromise) will get us there. Without those things we will remain in this wilderness.

I hope I live to see the day.

Julie
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:36 AM
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33. There are good things ahead for Dennis...and hopefully for us all.
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 10:37 AM by gully
Dennis Kucinich is a powerful, needed and effective voice. No matter what his position is in Government.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:01 PM
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35. TIA thanks for posting this...Kucinich is #1 ......I love him
:loveya:
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:36 PM
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36. DK for the USA
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 12:37 PM by cosmicdot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=240571&mesg_id=242278&page=

I offered my candidate's work/position against a potential contender for the White House -- the choice is clear for me - Kucinich!
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:54 PM
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37. A Kick for Dennis..he's a menace to Bush
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:08 PM
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39. Kucinich is a great Democrat
I don't think he's the right man for president or vice president, but he has my total respect.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:14 PM
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41. You know guys(Kucinich supporters) win or lose
I think getting the chance to know Dennis J Kucinich and who he is and what he stands for is a victory. He is so inspriational, I tell you his prayer for America is one of his finest hours but the thing about Dennis is he keeps on standing up, it may not be seen but is it there you bet it is, he has earned my respect in so many ways, it just sucks I fear when I get sad that this is a losing battle but a smile comes to my face when I ask is this the right battle, I smile again and nod you bet it is Kleeb I say. You will always remember him. Dennis may god bless you and your campaign you are an inspiration to me and others. May hard work and love and grit prevail in the end with a Kucinich victory. Thanks Dennis you are a great guy with a lot of love.
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