New Iraq to recognize Israel and move oil that way

[dutchdemocrat]

This is not going to solve ANY problems in the Middle East for anybody... It will send the Arabs into a frenzy. This is WW3.

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New Iraq may recognize Israel, bring financial relief
DOUGLAS DAVIS

Jerusalem Post Service

JERUSALEM -- A peace treaty with Israel will be "top of the agenda" for a new Iraqi government, according to the New York Observer newpaper.

Quoting State Department sources, the paper said Iraqi National Congress head Ahmed Chalabi, who is favored by the Pentagon to lead a post-Saddam Hussein Iraq, "is known to have discussed Iraq's recognition of the state of Israel."

U.S. intelligence sources also told the newspaper that Chalabi and other senior INC figures are understood to be involved in talks with Washington and Jerusalem over the construction of an oil pipeline from Mosul to a terminal in Haifa.

A pipeline that linked Mosul and Haifa during the British Mandate has been inactive since the establishment of Israel in 1948, when the pipeline was redirected to Syria.

The paper noted that the resuscitation of the old pipeline would transform economic power in the region, bringing revenue to Iraq, cutting out Syria, solving Israel's energy needs, and reducing domestic energy costs by more than 25 percent. It would also create an easily accessible source of oil for the United States.

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http://www.jewishsf.com/bk030425/i20a.shtml

[Bombtrack]

1. waht exactly is it that you have a problem with

recognizing israel?

Sorry if some arabs have a problem with that. The arabs who want to see Israel destroyed aren't the one's we need to be asking for approval.

[Julien Sorel]

3. What an odd statement.

In a democracy, all Arabs should have a voice, not just the ones who will do what we ask them to do. If this were to be voted on in a real Arab democracy, it would not pass muster, not as long as Israel squats on the West Bank and Golan. This is imperialism, plain and simple. Chalabi is looking more and more like the 2003 version of Ngo Diem. I find myself reflecting on Diem's fate, and wondering if Chalabi will share it.

[IndianaGreen]

7. Chalabi is not Diem in this respect

Diem was Vietnamese, born and lived there. Chalabi spent the bulk of his life outside Iraq, living in exile. Chalabi is the Iraqi version of the Miami Cubans, who have no clue as to how the real Cubans feel.

Chalabi is a carpetbagger, hated by all, and wanted by Jordan for baank fraud.

[Julien Sorel]

9. Diem also spent some time in exile.

Not quite as long as Chalabi, but it was about 10 years, iirc.

[Bombtrack]

12. can you post a link about this?

I'm not not believeing you, I just wasn't aware, and hadn't heard about this. Just interested in your sources

and whether Chalabi or not, I think it's important to have an Iraqui face to put on the TEMPORARY transitional government as soon as possible.

[CWebster]

14. So

when you reach 1000 posts do you plan to pull out your weanie?

[Sweetpea]

2. I hear where you are coming from....it is not a matter of recognizing

Israel..it is a matter of America deciding where Iraqi oil is directed. I believe it will inflame the Arab nations also.

[dutchdemocrat]

4. recognition is not the main issue for me - Oil to Israel is wrong.

I understand Arab ire at the Palestinian issue and hence the reason they would not want to sign onto the 'recognition' bandwagon. They face too much strife politically to do so, as most muslim nations have a vast majority of popular support for the Palestinian people. If Iraq has a referendum (like a true democracy should) and the people choose to recognize Israel, I am all for it. But not a puppet government put in by the US. Wrong foot to start out on, as far as I am concerned.

The oil issue is the ticking time bomb, I wanted to emphasize, but since you have made some volatile statements about Palestinians I suggest you try and read a little more about them... know your enemy, so to speak. They are not all rabid death mongers, they are humans, many who are suffering for the acts of a few.

I do not support Israel's current leadership and their hawkish methods as much as I despise Bush and his cronies, and their parallel government.

I am not an anti-semitist nor an anti-zionist. I just don't like Sharon. He's playing the same game as Bush. Israel needs new leadership as does America IMHO.

Sending oil to Israel? Why don't they just nuke Mecca... the reaction will be the same.

[Bombtrack]

5. It's not as if they are just giving it to israel

it's a win-win for both the iraqui people and for israel, who we both want to prosper, right?

We need to get revenues into Iraq, in order for us to transition it into a self-reliant democracy, so that our troops can get out of there

Israel is the closest industrialized ally to Iraq, and according to this article, the best partner to enrich the Iraqui people

any "inflammation" of the arabs, is only based on anti-semetic ignorance, which embracing won't solve anything

[Julien Sorel]

8. That's nonsense.

Iraq enriched itself for 50 years without piping oil to Israel. There are perfectly good pipelines that run through Syria, with fewer middlemen to take a cut out of Iraq's oil revenues. This is being done for the good of the U.S. and Israel, not Iraq.

[dutchdemocrat]

10. Closest Allies?

Last time I checked Jordon, Turkey and Kuwait all share a common border with Iraq and are considered allies in the war against terrorism and US allies. Israel does not even touch the place.

Pretty tough for me to spew 'anti-semetic (sic)' ignorance when I am jewish myself. Besides, Palistinians are also Semitic people, last time I looked the word up.

In no way should my comments be miscontrued as 'anti-semitism' in any way. The more the word gets misused, the more people stop listening to it.

[IndianaGreen]

6. Who elected Chalabi?

Chalabi is Rumsfeld's man in Baghdad, and he was the sole source for WMD stories to NY Times's Judith Miller. Chalabi also claimed that he had warned the US about an attack on the UN complex in Baghdad, a preposterous claim that even the Pentagon had to dismiss as totally baseless.

Posted June 5, 2003

'Scoops' and Truth at the Times
by Russ Baker

The April 21 story was one of a series of pieces on WMD in Iraq filed by Miller that relied heavily on unnamed sources and Pentagon officials. The question of how close Miller may have come to serving as a vehicle for Administration views was raised by Washington Post reporter Howard Kurtz in a May 26 story. He quoted an internal e-mail by Miller in which she said that the main source for her articles on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction was Ahmad Chalabi, an exile leader who is close to top Pentagon officials. In the e-mail, to Times Baghdad bureau chief John Burns, Miller said of Chalabi: "He has provided most of the front page exclusives on WMD to our paper." As Kurtz noted, "According to the New Yorker's Seymour Hersh, Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress was a key source of information about weapons for the Pentagon's own intelligence unit--information sometimes disputed by the CIA. Chalabi may have been feeding the Times, and other news organizations, the same disputed information."

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20030623&s=baker

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. Just more proof that this war

Was about Israel's security and had little to do with protecting the US from terrorism or freeing the Iraqi people from a brutal dictator.

Read this if you don't believe me:

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

BTW: Look who wrote the plan, Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser. Seems like the agents of Israel's Likud government have done a good job taking over US foreign policy.

[Bombtrack]

15. Israel's security shouldn't be part of US foreign policy?

I used to read alot of this very pro-palastinian, anti-israel stuff when I first got into politics, and believing it all to be gospel

then I realized there was a good reason alot of it's called fringe

if you read enough and learn enough about both sides of most of these foreign policy issues, you'll learn to identify ideas and opinions, usually from people who associate with the hard left and hard right, that are ignorant

this stuff that defends the PLO over Israel(not likud, but even stances of Labor) is propaganda.

[Cheswick2.0]

17. prove it

Prove that something said here is leftist propaganda. Because it was when I started reading and learning about both sides that I realized there were two sides. I used to believe all the crap about a "land without a people for a people without a land".
What is happening here is Israel and US policy being forced on Iraq. Talk about a Gang rape and humiliation.
They don't hate us and Israel for our freedom fries buddy, they hate us because we are bullies.

[DoYouEverWonder]

18. No

My point is that this misadministration's foreign policy is being run by Likud insiders. The Clean Break document was written for Netanyahu when he was PM by Perle and Feith and other PNAC, pro-Israel, neo-cons. I suppose you don't have a problem with that fact?

[CWebster]

13. Chalabi will be more despised than Saddam ever was

The skulking weasel will be strung up and disemboweled.

All that Saddam can be condemned for, it can never be said that he would put the interests of the US or Israel over Iraq.

[Junkdrawer]

16. Look at this map and tell me that's going to happen...

[Kbowe]

19. This was the REAL REASON for the invasion of Iraq.

Find out exactly who Chalabi is and you will have your answer.

[dutchdemocrat]

20. Links on Chalabi?

Do you have any good ones... I have googled 8-) a lot today...

[K-W]

21. America friendly Iraq

will of course be by proxy allied with America Friendly Isreal. This is very much part of the plan isnt it? To change the middle east from an evil anti-american hotbed into an american controlled oil tank.

But like all attempts by America to "fix" the middle east this will probably backfire massively.

[dutchdemocrat]

22. Not a chance.

This will not and cannot fly. And I find the fact that it is even being contemplated is repugnant.

Israel needs to become financially independent of the US... after all, nearly a trillion dollars has been (ten billion at least this year alone) spent by American taxpayers - but this is not the pipeline to economic freedom and growth for Israel.

Getting 'in' on the oil trade would be 'nice' for Israel but will, ultimately, cause Israel more grief in the form of resistance. The US cannot even control pipeline bombings in Iraq, never mind Jordon and Israel.

[jos]

23. Not a surprise: Likudnick payoff

The war was fought in large part at the behest and with the encouragement of the Likudnicks in Washington and Israel. Their main concern was rearranging the middle east balance of power for Israel's benefit. This is their payoff.